I can accept “likely” both because that isn’t dogmatically saying these “earth foundation” verses prove the earth is flat.
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David in NJ
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AMEN = It is BOTH
The Eternal Foundation for TRUTH, Eternal Life and Creation is CHRIST
This earth and the heavens/stars is physical and will pass away.
GOD will Create New = Revelation 21:1-7
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying:
“Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man,
and He will dwell with them.
They will be His people,
and God Himself will be with them as their God.
‘He will wipe away every tear from their eyes,’
and there will be no more death
or mourning or crying or pain,
for the former things have passed away.”
And the One seated on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” Then He said, “Write this down, for these words are faithful and true.”
And He told me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give freely from the spring of the water of life.
The one who overcomes will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son.
Thank you. I do still strongly believe what Scripture says about the earth being still, and the lights being set in the firmament, having a circuit. I believe the earth is a circle ...not a globe. Whatever the shape under the ground level, is up to God. There are unsearchable foundations that HE spoke into existence. God sits above the circle of the earth, and the earth IS His footstool.
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This is easy; scripture interprets scripture; the root word môsāḏâ H4144 (often spelled "masada") means "fortress" or "stronghold."
It can't get any more "literal" than this:
Deu 32:22
For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations H4146 of the mountains.
2Sam 22:16
And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations H4146 of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.
Psa 18:7
Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also H4146 of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth.
Psa 18:15
Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations H4146 of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils.
Isa. 24:18
And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations H4146 of the earth do shake.
Isa. 40:21
Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations H4146 of the earth?
Jer 31:37
Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations H4146 of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
Mic. 6:2
Hear ye, O mountains, the LORD'S controversy, and ye strong foundations H4146 of the earth: for the LORD hath a controversy with his people, and he will plead with Israel.
How God accomplished the physical construction of the earth was through his word.
There's no need to conflate the physical construct of the earth, with a "flat earth" argument. It's enough for the question at hand to accept that the Holy Bible is clear on the physical foundations of the earth - however they were created.
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Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: (Exo. 20:4)
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; (Job 38:4-6)
Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. (Psa. 104:5)
...for the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them. (1 Sam 2:8)
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven.... (Gen. 1:6-8)
Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass? (Job 37:18)
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. (Gen. 7:11-12)
The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained; (Gen. 8:2)
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..even as the mocking continues...
"Although we weren't able to shatter that highest, hardest glass ceiling this time, thanks to you, it's got about 18 million cracks in it." - Hillary Clinton, 2008 concession speech
Shattering the ‘highest, hardest’ glass ceiling
Hillary Clinton is tipped to run for US president, but have women's rights changed so much that a woman will finally make it to the White House?
www.bbc.com
All rockets must avoid the firmament...
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Micah 6:2 summons the mountains and foundations as witnesses in a lawsuit and tells them to listen.
Do you really believe the earth’s foundation has literal ears?
How about literal mountains and hills? Can they hear?
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Hear ye, O mountains, the LORD'S controversy, and ye strong foundations of the earth: for the LORD hath a controversy with his people, and he will plead with Israel. (Micah 6:2)
It's a dramatic appeal by Micah, using personification and silent witnesses. The Holy Bible uses a literary device called prosopopoeia (giving human qualities to non-living things). The unchanging mountains and foundations of the earth act as permanent, enduring witnesses to God's long history with Israel. The prophet Micah calls on creation itself to listen to God’s righteous complaint because the people have turned away.
Similar to: And [Jesus] answered and said unto [the Pharisees], I tell you that, if [the multitude] should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out. (Luke 19:40)
The logical fallacy or rhetorical tactic you are employing is a combination of the straw man argument (specifically the "weak man" variant) and blanket mitigation. You're trying to defeat the weakest point to mask your inability to answer the stronger ones.
Hear ye, O mountains, the LORD'S controversy, and ye strong foundations of the earth: for the LORD hath a controversy with his people, and he will plead with Israel. (Micah 6:2)
It's a dramatic appeal by Micah, using personification and silent witnesses. The Holy Bible uses a literary device called prosopopoeia (giving human qualities to non-living things). The unchanging mountains and foundations of the earth act as permanent, enduring witnesses to God's long history with Israel. The prophet Micah calls on creation itself to listen to God’s righteous complaint because the people have turned away.
Similar to: And [Jesus] answered and said unto [the Pharisees], I tell you that, if [the multitude] should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out. (Luke 19:40)
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Have you ever given any thought to the disconnect so many of our christian brothers have between their views on evolutionary biology vs their views on evolutionary cosmology?
I have met more than a few who dismiss the theory of evolution entirely (as do I), and yet cling to the standard views of evolutionary cosmology with a vigorous rigidity that I could only describe as existential.
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As you yourself have elsewhere posted:
There is but One Way out of this.
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I have posted volumes, documenting a variety of what is essentially sophisticated mind control programming that would have one person holding two opposing views.
A spiritual problem requires a spiritual solution...
As you yourself have elsewhere posted:
There is but One Way out of this.
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I must admit that I was expecting (and hopeful of) a much more elaborate response. But I will give credit where it's due.
"We must be brief when traitors brave the field."
William Shakespeare
Or Francis Bacon, depending upon which history one decides to place their trust.
I think I'll be reading more of your comments in the future.
Stay humble my Brother.
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Dear reader, do you fear man, or trust God? Choose wisely, because The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe. (Psalms 29:25).
You cannot, of your own flesh, be persuaded to accept the scriptural truth of a planar earth, because it is your very flesh that has been weaponized against you. You must at some point will to know the truth.
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. (John 8:31-32).
This is a spiritual issue and not a so-called science issue. The solution is profound yet simple. Continuing in God's word is the key, while trusting in man's "science" is a snare.
- source: NASA.gov
................. Figure 6. Comparison of principal fields from an ideal dipole oriented perpendicular
................. and horizontal to a homogeneous flat earth. p. 11
- source: govinfo.gov
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Indeed!
Dear reader, do you fear man, or trust God? Choose wisely, because The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe. (Psalms 29:25).
You cannot, of your own flesh, be persuaded to accept the scriptural truth of a planar earth, because it is your very flesh that has been weaponized against you. You must at some point will to know the truth.
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. (John 8:31-32).
This is a spiritual issue and not a so-called science issue. The solution is profound yet simple. Continuing in God's word is the key, while trusting in man's "science" is a snare.
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Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. (Jer. 17:5).
- source: NASA.gov
................. Figure 6. Comparison of principal fields from an ideal dipole oriented perpendicular
................. and horizontal to a homogeneous flat earth. p. 11
- source: govinfo.gov
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Read more about "Reto Stockli" (mentioned in "the coolest thing" blurb above) and its Blue Marble skulduggery here:
NASA in Hebrew means "to deceive"
nāšā' = to beguile, deceive - Blue Letter Bible
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Read more about "Reto Stockli" (mentioned in "the coolest thing" blurb above) and its Blue Marble skulduggery here:
Blue Marble images on the IPCC 4th assessment report (2007)
The Blue Marble western and eastern hemispheres by Reto Stöckli (NASA Earth Observatory) are displayed to the left as printed on the front cover of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) 4th assessment WGI report "The Physical Science Basis". These images integrate land, ocean...
bluemarble.ch
NASA in Hebrew means "to deceive"
nāšā' = to beguile, deceive - Blue Letter Bible
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Do you know what a Ponzi Scheme is? It's deception. A Ponzi Scheme is an investment fraud that pays existing investors with funds collected from new investors. In normal-people-speak, it's robbing Peter to pay Paul. The most famous Ponzi Scheme in history was ran by Bernard "Bernie" Madoff. His 17-year scheme resulted in defrauding 37,000 investors out of nearly 70 billion dollars. That's what one dude, with a couple accomplices did, for almost two decades. Not only did people believe in Mr. Madoff, but they eagerly invested their livelihoods in his company. All it took to get people to cash out their retirement fund and excitedly hand over their nest egg, was a small paycheck or two - chump change when compared to their overall investment, but it was accompanied by a completely fabricated spreadsheet demonstrating financial success. Yeah, one of the 25 employees who worked for Madoff made fake databases which went unquestioned for over 15 years. In fact, 20 of the 25 employees never had the slightest clue that they were working to defraud investors. Those 20 employees never knew there was a second set of books. They had no idea it was a Ponzi scheme.
Bernie Madoff, with only a couple co conspirators, and a couple dozen employees, was able to construct a 100% artificial investment company, backed by all the paperwork needed to make it look legitimate. That data was used to swindle investment firms, charities, universities, the Olympics, and even celebrities including Steven Spielberg and actor Kevin Bacon; imagine what could be done with nearly unlimited tax-funding, overseen by very powerful people and a staff of 17,000. How deep could their deception go? Could they pull of a scheme so massive that it would become a part of written history and repeated as fact?
Let's consider, what if Space is essentially a Ponzi Scheme? What if employee #1 is in charge of creating data, which is then mailed across the nation to employee #2, who is in charge of merging that data with other data, then faxing it to employee #3, my life-long family friend, who is responsible for entering that data into a program, which will be used by employee #4, to plot space satellite info, which he will send to the NASA CGI artists like Robert Simmon to create beautiful renderings? Do you see how compartmentalized each task is, and how easy it would be for the data entry staff to never consider that what they are typing will result in a Photoshop artist creating an image for 7th grade History books in place of what should be a real photograph? The people working in labs are not the astronauts who obtained samples of so-called Mars dirt. The lab workers are given samples of whatever to run tests on and analyze. The people responsible for building whatever are building what they are told to build, but they will never fly it to Space. NASA locations and projects are spread out across the entire USA; the employees in Kansas don't know what the employees in Florida are doing each day.
The idea that everyone will rush to blow the whistle on everything every employer is doing illegally is absurd. Let me tell you a personal story as related to me by a friend.
"When I was in my late teens, I was a bartender at a very popular establishment. On a slow night, I would bring home $100 in cash. A busy night could generate $500, or more, in addition to $5 an hour, cash, under the table, which was excellent pay for a bartending gig in the 1990s.
Each night, after the bar closed and all the patrons were gone, the owners would go into the basement of the bar, then bring up half-gallon bottles of cheap liquor. We were required to use those half gallons to refill the bottles on the bar. Yes, my task, along with the other select employees, was to take a half-gallon of bottom-shelf, cheap-brand Vodka, and use it to refill the Gray Goose and Premium brands. As an 18-year-old kid, I didn't care. I just wanted to go home because it was 3:30am and I was whooped from running for 7+ hours. Did I blow the whistle? No way. I didn't even consider it. My boss had explained to me that the government crushes bars with taxes on alcohol, and that all bars do this; they all go to Costco and buy in bulk because it is the only way they can stay afloat, and, "Vodka is Vodka. It all tastes the same." At the time, that made sense to me. Plus, I needed that money; and there was nowhere else a kid could work and have that level of pay.
Now that I'm an adult, I realize how mucked up it was. I would be hugely disappointed in my children if they ever participated in a racket of this nature. I also clearly see that the reason staff were showered with high-end luxury gifts at Christmas wasn't because we were outstanding employees, but instead it was because we kept the secret. A Gucci wallet and matching scarf goes a long way to buy silence with a young, dumb teen. Now imagine this on a much larger scale. By the way, the bar burned down decades ago; if it hadn't, I would have spoke up as an adult, an adult who pays the extra money to have quality whiskey and would be livid if I discovered it was a rip-off."
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Deception: An act or statement that misleads, hides the truth, or promotes a belief, concept, or idea that is not true.
Do you know what a Ponzi Scheme is? It's deception. A Ponzi Scheme is an investment fraud that pays existing investors with funds collected from new investors. In normal-people-speak, it's robbing Peter to pay Paul. The most famous Ponzi Scheme in history was ran by Bernard "Bernie" Madoff. His 17-year scheme resulted in defrauding 37,000 investors out of nearly 70 billion dollars. That's what one dude, with a couple accomplices did, for almost two decades. Not only did people believe in Mr. Madoff, but they eagerly invested their livelihoods in his company. All it took to get people to cash out their retirement fund and excitedly hand over their nest egg, was a small paycheck or two - chump change when compared to their overall investment, but it was accompanied by a completely fabricated spreadsheet demonstrating financial success. Yeah, one of the 25 employees who worked for Madoff made fake databases which went unquestioned for over 15 years. In fact, 20 of the 25 employees never had the slightest clue that they were working to defraud investors. Those 20 employees never knew there was a second set of books. They had no idea it was a Ponzi scheme.
Bernie Madoff, with only a couple co conspirators, and a couple dozen employees, was able to construct a 100% artificial investment company, backed by all the paperwork needed to make it look legitimate. That data was used to swindle investment firms, charities, universities, the Olympics, and even celebrities including Steven Spielberg and actor Kevin Bacon; imagine what could be done with nearly unlimited tax-funding, overseen by very powerful people and a staff of 17,000. How deep could their deception go? Could they pull of a scheme so massive that it would become a part of written history and repeated as fact?
Let's consider, what if Space is essentially a Ponzi Scheme? What if employee #1 is in charge of creating data, which is then mailed across the nation to employee #2, who is in charge of merging that data with other data, then faxing it to employee #3, my life-long family friend, who is responsible for entering that data into a program, which will be used by employee #4, to plot space satellite info, which he will send to the NASA CGI artists like Robert Simmon to create beautiful renderings? Do you see how compartmentalized each task is, and how easy it would be for the data entry staff to never consider that what they are typing will result in a Photoshop artist creating an image for 7th grade History books in place of what should be a real photograph? The people working in labs are not the astronauts who obtained samples of so-called Mars dirt. The lab workers are given samples of whatever to run tests on and analyze. The people responsible for building whatever are building what they are told to build, but they will never fly it to Space. NASA locations and projects are spread out across the entire USA; the employees in Kansas don't know what the employees in Florida are doing each day.
The idea that everyone will rush to blow the whistle on everything every employer is doing illegally is absurd. Let me tell you a personal story as related to me by a friend.
"When I was in my late teens, I was a bartender at a very popular establishment. On a slow night, I would bring home $100 in cash. A busy night could generate $500, or more, in addition to $5 an hour, cash, under the table, which was excellent pay for a bartending gig in the 1990s.
Each night, after the bar closed and all the patrons were gone, the owners would go into the basement of the bar, then bring up half-gallon bottles of cheap liquor. We were required to use those half gallons to refill the bottles on the bar. Yes, my task, along with the other select employees, was to take a half-gallon of bottom-shelf, cheap-brand Vodka, and use it to refill the Gray Goose and Premium brands. As an 18-year-old kid, I didn't care. I just wanted to go home because it was 3:30am and I was whooped from running for 7+ hours. Did I blow the whistle? No way. I didn't even consider it. My boss had explained to me that the government crushes bars with taxes on alcohol, and that all bars do this; they all go to Costco and buy in bulk because it is the only way they can stay afloat, and, "Vodka is Vodka. It all tastes the same." At the time, that made sense to me. Plus, I needed that money; and there was nowhere else a kid could work and have that level of pay.
Now that I'm an adult, I realize how mucked up it was. I would be hugely disappointed in my children if they ever participated in a racket of this nature. I also clearly see that the reason staff were showered with high-end luxury gifts at Christmas wasn't because we were outstanding employees, but instead it was because we kept the secret. A Gucci wallet and matching scarf goes a long way to buy silence with a young, dumb teen. Now imagine this on a much larger scale. By the way, the bar burned down decades ago; if it hadn't, I would have spoke up as an adult, an adult who pays the extra money to have quality whiskey and would be livid if I discovered it was a rip-off."
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Armour of God
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David in NJ
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Then, as He was now drawing near the descent of the Mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works they had seen, saying:
“ ‘Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord!’
Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!”
And some of the Pharisees called to Him from the crowd, “Teacher, rebuke Your disciples.”
But He answered and said to them, “I tell you that if these should keep silent, the stones would immediately cry out.”
David in NJ
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The Artemis Lie.
Video and written proof of the demonic deception of space travel.
theamericanclassroom.substack.com
Armour of God
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An image from your post:The Artemis Lie.
Video and written proof of the demonic deception of space travel.theamericanclassroom.substack.com
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Armour of God
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I still don't see the pay off. What would be the goal of such an endeavor that would be worth so much effort?
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