"For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet"

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Do you believe that Satan and the fallen angels will eventually be saved/redeemed?
The short answer is, Yes.
Here's why. (one reason)

Jesus taught us to love our enemies. This is godly behavior.
What then should God do with his enemies? Incinerate them?
Does God operate at a lower standard than he expects of us?

Matthew 5:43-48 NIV
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
 
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The short answer is, Yes.
Here's why. (one reason)

Jesus taught us to love our enemies. This is godly behavior.
What then should God do with his enemies? Incinerate them?
Does God operate at a lower standard than he expects of us?

Matthew 5:43-48 NIV
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
That applies to those promoting the heresy of universalism

Romans 16:17KJV
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
 
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Jesus taught us to love our enemies. This is godly behavior.
What then should God do with his enemies? Incinerate them?
Does God operate at a lower standard than he expects of us?
Is it not God's prerogative to do what He wish?

Rom 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
Rom 9:2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
Rom 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Rom 9:9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
Rom 9:10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Rom 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
Rom 9:29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

The Scriptures is crystal clear-two destinations, not one-this is the first time I hear that Satan and his co-horts are going to be saved, diametrically opposed to what the Scriptures is saying.
This makes NO sense to me.
 
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The Scriptures is crystal clear-two destinations, not one-this is the first time I hear that Satan and his co-horts are going to be saved, diametrically opposed to what the Scriptures is saying.
This makes NO sense to me.
I Agree 100%, the scripture is very clear, the lake of fire is the final destination of the wicked

To claim Hitler, Mau, Stalin, Musolini, Lenin, Satan, the fallen angels, are going to be in the eternal kingdom?

100% Blasphemy!
 
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The short answer is, Yes.
Here's why. (one reason)

Jesus taught us to love our enemies. This is godly behavior.
What then should God do with his enemies? Incinerate them?
Does God operate at a lower standard than he expects of us?

Matthew 5:43-48 NIV
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
None of these guys believe scripture; they believe themselves.
 
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I Agree 100%, the scripture is very clear, the lake of fire is the final destination of the wicked

To claim Hitler, Mau, Stalin, Musolini, Lenin, Satan, the fallen angels, are going to be in the eternal kingdom?

100% Blasphemy!
I simply cannot believe how Scriptures are being perverted and twisted to suit their man made doctrines-and blame God for being unjust!
Shalom, stay rooted and anchored in Christ Jesus

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


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If you assume that God is a cosmic tyrant, then I suppose that would be true.
I don't have such a low view of our loving heavenly Father.
Rom_16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

I appeal to you, Achim b'Moshiach, to look out for those who cause kitot (sects) and nisyonot (temptations) contrary to the Torah which you learned, and keep away from them.

mark: Php_3:17; 2Th_3:14-15
cause: Act_15:1-5, Act_15:24; 1Co_1:10-13, 1Co_3:3, 1Co_11:18; Gal_1:7-9, Gal_2:4; Php_3:2-3; Col_2:8; 2Pe_2:1-2; 1Jn_2:19; 2Jn_1:7-10; Jud_1:19
offences: Mat_18:7; Luk_17:1
and: Mat_18:17; 1Co_5:9-11; 2Th_3:6, 2Th_3:14; 1Ti_6:3-5; 2Ti_3:5; Tit_3:10; 2Jn_1:10-11
 

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Do you believe that Satan and the fallen angels will eventually be saved/redeemed?
Here's another reason.
Does Satan and the fallen angels have tongues to speak and knees to bow? (yes)

Anyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation, acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. No one can say that “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” you will be saved. Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. (the reason for the bodily resurrection) Scriptural support below.

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

Further reading: Isaiah 45:23; Romans 14:11; Revelation 15:4
 
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I simply cannot believe how Scriptures are being perverted and twisted to suit their man made doctrines-and blame God for being unjust!
Shalom, stay rooted and anchored in Christ Jesus

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


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The very same types that are sitting in buildings calling themselves "Church" adorned with rainbow flags, and lesbian women at pulpits

I never thought I would see the day, when world government would support same sex marriage, if we aren't in the days of Noah somebody needs glasses

2 Peter 2:6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
 
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The very same types that are sitting in buildings calling themselves "Church" adorned with rainbow flags, and lesbian women at pulpits

I never though I would see the day, when world government would support same sex marriage, if we aren't in the days of Noah somebody needs glasses

2 Peter 2:6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
Well said, brother well said and a huge Amen-
Shalom
Johann.
 
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Do you believe that Satan and the fallen angels will eventually be saved/redeemed?
Another reason.
All of creation will be restored.
As a part of God's creation, Satan and the fallen angels will be restored.

Acts 3:21 NIV
Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.
 
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Yet another reason.
It would be the ultimate triumph of grace and forgiveness.
I don't know which Bible you read from, but it is not the same as mine--and you are using a straw man argument-making YHVH a liar-O Man!

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

God forbid: Rom_3:6, Rom_3:31, Rom_6:2, Rom_6:15, Rom_7:7, Rom_7:13, Rom_9:14, Rom_11:1, Rom_11:11; Luk_20:16; 1Co_6:15; Gal_2:17, Gal_2:21; Gal_6:14
let God: Deu_32:4; Job_40:8; Psa_100:5, Psa_119:160, Psa_138:2; Mic_7:20; Joh_3:33; 2Co_1:18; Tit_1:2; Heb_6:18; 1Jn_5:10, 1Jn_5:20; Rev_3:7
but every: Psa_62:9, Psa_116:11
That thou: Job_36:3; Psa_51:4; Mat_11:19
 

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Rom_16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

I appeal to you, Achim b'Moshiach, to look out for those who cause kitot (sects) and nisyonot (temptations) contrary to the Torah which you learned, and keep away from them.

mark: Php_3:17; 2Th_3:14-15
cause: Act_15:1-5, Act_15:24; 1Co_1:10-13, 1Co_3:3, 1Co_11:18; Gal_1:7-9, Gal_2:4; Php_3:2-3; Col_2:8; 2Pe_2:1-2; 1Jn_2:19; 2Jn_1:7-10; Jud_1:19
offences: Mat_18:7; Luk_17:1
and: Mat_18:17; 1Co_5:9-11; 2Th_3:6, 2Th_3:14; 1Ti_6:3-5; 2Ti_3:5; Tit_3:10; 2Jn_1:10-11
Let us know when you are planning to begin implementing this. Thanks.
 
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