Obama is a well respected religious man. Read these and pay attention to abortion part since everyone seems to hate him for that.Religion On DisplayEach evening of the convention will be punctuated by an invocation and a benediction by religious leaders, including a rabbi from Washington, D.C., a Catholic nun from Ohio and a Greek Orthodox archbishop from New York. There will be other faith-based panels, too, geared toward spiritual discussion. One is titled "Faith in 2009: How an Obama Administration will Engage People of Faith."Colorado Gov. Bill Ritter spoke at an interfaith service on Sunday. The convention CEO, Leah D. Daughtry, is a preacher.Convention material does not shy away from religion. "Senator Obama is a committed Christian, and he believes that people of all faiths have an important place in American life," Obama's director of religious affairs Joshua DuBois said in a statement. "We are honored that so many religious leaders are reaching across partisan and ideological lines in this convention to address the values that matter to Americans."Obama has put religion on the frontburner of his campaign. "Some of his campaign literature makes George W. Bush look like a member of the ACLU," Waldman says. "There is a lot of alienation among evangelicals in the Republican Party. People are more open to looking at Obama."-nrp.org For many evangelicals, abortion is a key, if not the key factor in their vote. You voted against banning partial birth abortion and voted against notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. What role do you think the President should play in creating national abortion policies?I don't know anybody who is pro-abortion. I think it's very important to start with that premise. I think people recognize what a wrenching, difficult issue it is. I do think that those who diminish the moral elements of the decision aren't expressing the full reality of it. But what I believe is that women do not make these decisions casually, and that they struggle with it fervently with their pastors, with their spouses, with their doctors.Our goal should be to make abortion less common, that we should be discouraging unwanted pregnancies, that we should encourage adoption wherever possible. There is a range of ways that we can educate our young people about the sacredness of sex and we should not be promoting the sort of casual activities that end up resulting in so many unwanted pregnancies.Ultimately, women are in the best position to make a decision at the end of the day about these issues. With significant constraints. For example, I think we can legitimately say — the state can legitimately say — that we are prohibiting late-term abortions as long as there's an exception for the mother's health. Those provisions that I voted against typically didn't have those exceptions, which raises profound questions where you might have a mother at great risk. Those are issues that I don't think the government can unilaterally make a decision about. I think they need to be made in consultation with doctors, they have to be prayed upon, or people have to be consulting their conscience on it. I think we have to keep that decision-making with the person themselves.ctlibrary.org Barack Obama wants to set the record straight. He is not a Muslim, as recent e-mails falsely claim.The Democratic presidential candidate is fighting the e-mails that have been widely circulated. Obama has been continually speaking about the role of faith in politics since his Call to Renewal address in June 2006.In the days before the South Carolina primary, he is driving efforts to speaking with media to emphasize his Christian beliefs. His campaign also sent out a recent mailer portraying the candidate with his head bowed in prayer and says that he will be guided by prayer when he is in office.The senator from Illinois spoke with Sarah Pulliam and Ted Olsen today about his faith, abortion, and the evangelical vote.All i ask is to put your ignorance aside and give this man some respect he deserves and not to spread false lies and hatred about him.
For the love of.... Obama does not hate God
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Obama says he'll sign late-term abortion bills that made exceptions for the health of the mother. The exception for "health" that Obama demands is not physical health, but mental health. In other words, Obama will sign a bill banning partial-birth abortion if a woman is allowed to still get the abortion by saying she might suffer mental stress for having a baby. That would totally gut the ban on killing babies during delivery.A defining characteristic of liberals is that they do have a great difficulty telling the truth. Obama says no one is pro-abortion. Really? Then why does anyone get them? The sacredness of abortion to feminists doesn't look like anything less than pro-abortion.Obama is not a Christian. His morality is antithetical to Christianity. That church he attended for twenty years is no more Christian than the KKK.
The thing is, actions ultimately speak louder than words. As Christians, we already have a Savior.
You know Byron It a free country you can vote for whom ever you like but why is it sense you made your decision you seem to think you have to push it in everyone face. Perhaps you feel guilty and want others to say you are right for supporting a canidate/party that supports policys that go against Gods Words. Seems you came asking our advise we gave it to you showed you Gods Words and you made the decision to vote for whom you chose. Now you want to make excuses push your proganda for him try to prove he isnt what we know he is he may be a great guy you want to hang out with but his policys are not biblical. Now you have made your choice live with it and stop trying to justify it.
Not to be too argumentative but Obama is not a Christian in my opinion. Of course, I cannot judge his heart but we are to judge a man by his works. 1 Corinthians 5:11-13, "But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person." Paul, here, is speaking to the Corinthian church about a man who claims to be part of that church body but who has committed and is committing a sin without any signs of repentence. Paul is upset that the members of the church have not judged the man and sent him on his way. Obama's philisophical stance, coupled with those he associates with, reveal the basis on which he stands. It is not a foundation built upon Christianity but, rather, built upon Marxism. He is literally a Communist. Communism is to Christianity as Christ is with Belial or one who believes is with an infidel. We all know about Obama's spiritual mentor, Rev. Wright. Need I say any more? Wright calls on God to "damn the USA" and has made many racist statements which can be found all over the net and on YouTube. Our country's founders routinely quoted Scripture and designed our Constitution upon Christian morals and standards. The 10 Commandments were understood to be a righteous standard to live by. On the other hand, here's what Obama has to say about the Bible: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FCNKwHRCQM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FCNKwHRCQM[/url]
In Mark 13 and Matt 24, (To paraphrase)Jesus said Beware of the deceivers.. Many will come in my name, saying I am Christ.This applies to all these so called ,whose values are more in line with Satan. Obama's camp has placed people combing the internet to try to disspell any negativity about him. Bottom line, as was said earlier, Actions speak louder than words! If Barack Obama is a Christian then I must be a muslim. I am not the judge, I am just discerning and sharing my concerns.I watched one of Sean Hannity's shows and he had the nurse on his show as proof! I wish I could remeber her name!What Christian would vote against the right to life of a living baby? Obama heard testimony by a Nurse to the Illinois Senate, saying that babies whom survived partial birth abortion were being put in a closet of a hospital and left to die alone. The nurse would go on her own and hold the babies in her arms until they passed on. After knowing this, Obama still voted(4X intotal) against giving rights to babies born alive. They could have been given up for adoption but Obama claimed the intent was for an abortion so therefore these live babies should not have rights! Just think what he would do to the disabled and Seniors who get dementia. IN the UK, this year, they are contemplating the idea of euthanizing seniors with Dementia since it's a high cost to their Nat'l Halthcare. Barack's own guide :Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky, (according to FOX, he used this for community organizing and training ACORN) is dedicated to LUCIFER!He is also a thug. Did you see how Joe the Plumber and the ORLANDO Reporter was ostricized and investigated for asking simple questions? This is a sign of the New America under Barack Obama or Barry Soertoro, whoever he is. He has even been called The Messiah by Louis Farakan of the American Muslims (seriously, not joking like Rush Limbaugh does). If anything, he is a type of anti-christ. If OBAMA wins ( GOD FORBID!!!!), America, the land of opportunity and freedom will be dramatically changed. Just yesterday, he was saying that being against socialism was being selfish! This reminds me of the stories that were told after Hitler got into power, no one had any idea he was the way he was. Could it be that the mainstream media and the elitists protected Hitler from questions, the same way they did to Obama in this election?Please make sure you vote and vote against Obama/SOCIALISM B]
Stop using socialism as an argument against Obama as "a bad Christian." Throughout many of my theology classes, it is shown that the bible contains many views similar to socialism.
(Byron-AW;62555)
Stop using socialism as an argument against Obama as "a bad Christian." Throughout many of my theology classes, it is shown that the bible contains many views similar to socialism.
In your preconceived mind / ideas of men it is. Not's God's Words.
Stop using socialism as an argument against Obama as "a bad Christian." Throughout many of my theology classes, it is shown that the bible contains many views similar to socialism.
In your preconceived mind / ideas of men it is. Not's God's Words.
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In your preconceived mind / ideas of men it is. Not's God's Words.
Well maybe you are wrong in your preconceived mind. What makes you think you know it all? Because you're Evangelical, you think you are above me?What makes you think your view of the bible is better than mine and the teacher and scholar who taught me?
In your preconceived mind / ideas of men it is. Not's God's Words.
Well maybe you are wrong in your preconceived mind. What makes you think you know it all? Because you're Evangelical, you think you are above me?What makes you think your view of the bible is better than mine and the teacher and scholar who taught me?
(Byron-AW;62563)
(Jordan;62560)
In your preconceived mind / ideas of men it is. Not's God's Words.
Well maybe you are wrong in your preconceived mind. What makes you think you know it all? Because you're Evangelical, you think you are above me?What makes you think your view of the bible is better than mine and the teacher and scholar who taught me?Am I better than you? No! Is there any sinner better than another? No! (Romans 3:10, Romans 3:23)Then who? Christ. (John 14:6)Why? Because He knows everything. (John 8:32, John 8:36)Really? Mark 13:23.Lastly I am not a Evangelist.
(Jordan;62560)
In your preconceived mind / ideas of men it is. Not's God's Words.
Well maybe you are wrong in your preconceived mind. What makes you think you know it all? Because you're Evangelical, you think you are above me?What makes you think your view of the bible is better than mine and the teacher and scholar who taught me?Am I better than you? No! Is there any sinner better than another? No! (Romans 3:10, Romans 3:23)Then who? Christ. (John 14:6)Why? Because He knows everything. (John 8:32, John 8:36)Really? Mark 13:23.Lastly I am not a Evangelist.
(Byron-AW;62555)
Stop using socialism as an argument against Obama as "a bad Christian." Throughout many of my theology classes, it is shown that the bible contains many views similar to socialism.
How so?
Stop using socialism as an argument against Obama as "a bad Christian." Throughout many of my theology classes, it is shown that the bible contains many views similar to socialism.
How so?
(Jordan;62564)
Am I better than you? No! Is there any sinner better than another? No! (Romans 3:10, Romans 3:23)Then who? Christ. (John 14:6)Why? Because He knows everything. (John 8:32, John 8:36)Really? Mark 13:23.Lastly I am not a Evangelist.
Im sorry. I assumed most of the people here are.
Am I better than you? No! Is there any sinner better than another? No! (Romans 3:10, Romans 3:23)Then who? Christ. (John 14:6)Why? Because He knows everything. (John 8:32, John 8:36)Really? Mark 13:23.Lastly I am not a Evangelist.
Im sorry. I assumed most of the people here are.
(ffbruce;62568)
How so?
Here are some ideas how to pretain it. Im not agreeing with everything that is said here. This to give you an idea. My teacher taught me a bit differently.http://www.christianparents.com/social2.htmhttp://www.skeptically.org/bible/id14.html
How so?
Here are some ideas how to pretain it. Im not agreeing with everything that is said here. This to give you an idea. My teacher taught me a bit differently.http://www.christianparents.com/social2.htmhttp://www.skeptically.org/bible/id14.html
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Here are some ideas how to pretain it. Im not agreeing with everything that is said here. This to give you an idea. My teacher taught me a bit differently.http://www.christianparents.com/social2.htmhttp://www.skeptically.org/bible/id14.html
Actually, the idea that the early Christians lived communally (which is not socialism), based on Acts 2:42-47, is completely and totally wrong. Verse 46 says "they broke bread in their homes...". Obviously, they were not living in one huge commune. Acts 4:32ff makes it clear that there were many who owned land and homes, and that if there was a need, they willingly shared them. That is not socialism and certainly not communism.Throughout the book of Acts, you see instances where individuals offered hospitality, in their homes, to traveling evangelists. And in several of the apostle Paul's letters, he warns people about offering hospitality to false teachers.Clearly, in New Testament times, the Christians either owned their own homes, or were allowed to do so.The bottom line is that the Bible absolutely does not promote capitalism, socialism or communism. Generosity, sharing, and good works are stressed - and those are all individual acts of the heart.
Here are some ideas how to pretain it. Im not agreeing with everything that is said here. This to give you an idea. My teacher taught me a bit differently.http://www.christianparents.com/social2.htmhttp://www.skeptically.org/bible/id14.html
Actually, the idea that the early Christians lived communally (which is not socialism), based on Acts 2:42-47, is completely and totally wrong. Verse 46 says "they broke bread in their homes...". Obviously, they were not living in one huge commune. Acts 4:32ff makes it clear that there were many who owned land and homes, and that if there was a need, they willingly shared them. That is not socialism and certainly not communism.Throughout the book of Acts, you see instances where individuals offered hospitality, in their homes, to traveling evangelists. And in several of the apostle Paul's letters, he warns people about offering hospitality to false teachers.Clearly, in New Testament times, the Christians either owned their own homes, or were allowed to do so.The bottom line is that the Bible absolutely does not promote capitalism, socialism or communism. Generosity, sharing, and good works are stressed - and those are all individual acts of the heart.
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Stop using socialism as an argument against Obama as "a bad Christian." Throughout many of my theology classes, it is shown that the bible contains many views similar to socialism.
Political Socialism is not synonymous with free-will charity. Christian charity is based on a willingness of the giver to give of his own free will and as a result of a good conscience. Political Socialism is a much different animal. Political Socialism mandates the taking of wealth from one group and giving it to another group. It is not based on a good conscience or on free will. What's more, I, as a Christian, should be allowed to choose where my charitable contribution should go. I should be able to give money to an elderly widow instead of an inner city, street thug. That's called freedom in my book. If a man gets up at 4:00 AM every morning, puts on his work clothes, works his tail off for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week and ends up bringing home $100,000,.00 a year should he be forced to give a portion of it to an inner city thug who gets up at 11:00AM and spends the rest of the day finding ways to waste his time? If you believe so...please give me a good reason for reaching your conclusion.
Stop using socialism as an argument against Obama as "a bad Christian." Throughout many of my theology classes, it is shown that the bible contains many views similar to socialism.
Political Socialism is not synonymous with free-will charity. Christian charity is based on a willingness of the giver to give of his own free will and as a result of a good conscience. Political Socialism is a much different animal. Political Socialism mandates the taking of wealth from one group and giving it to another group. It is not based on a good conscience or on free will. What's more, I, as a Christian, should be allowed to choose where my charitable contribution should go. I should be able to give money to an elderly widow instead of an inner city, street thug. That's called freedom in my book. If a man gets up at 4:00 AM every morning, puts on his work clothes, works his tail off for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week and ends up bringing home $100,000,.00 a year should he be forced to give a portion of it to an inner city thug who gets up at 11:00AM and spends the rest of the day finding ways to waste his time? If you believe so...please give me a good reason for reaching your conclusion.
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Political Socialism is not synonymous with free-will charity. Christian charity is based on a willingness of the giver to give of his own free will and as a result of a good conscience. Political Socialism is a much different animal. Political Socialism mandates the taking of wealth from one group and giving it to another group. It is not based on a good conscience or on free will. What's more, I, as a Christian, should be allowed to choose where my charitable contribution should go. I should be able to give money to an elderly widow instead of an inner city, street thug. That's called freedom in my book. If a man gets up at 4:00 AM every morning, puts on his work clothes, works his tail off for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week and ends up bringing home $100,000,.00 a year should he be forced to give a portion of it to an inner city thug who gets up at 11:00AM and spends the rest of the day finding ways to waste his time? If you believe so...please give me a good reason for reaching your conclusion.
According to Barack Obama, Yes - Absolutely! Obama obviously believes that.ONE OF the problems with mandatory redistribution of wealth is that it does NOT "bring up the bottom". It only destroys the top, and the entire culture & society are the worse for it. We need to stop penalizing those who make good choices, work hard, and succeed. Likewise, we need to stop coddling, and excusing the behavior of people who choose to act like idiots.
Political Socialism is not synonymous with free-will charity. Christian charity is based on a willingness of the giver to give of his own free will and as a result of a good conscience. Political Socialism is a much different animal. Political Socialism mandates the taking of wealth from one group and giving it to another group. It is not based on a good conscience or on free will. What's more, I, as a Christian, should be allowed to choose where my charitable contribution should go. I should be able to give money to an elderly widow instead of an inner city, street thug. That's called freedom in my book. If a man gets up at 4:00 AM every morning, puts on his work clothes, works his tail off for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week and ends up bringing home $100,000,.00 a year should he be forced to give a portion of it to an inner city thug who gets up at 11:00AM and spends the rest of the day finding ways to waste his time? If you believe so...please give me a good reason for reaching your conclusion.
According to Barack Obama, Yes - Absolutely! Obama obviously believes that.ONE OF the problems with mandatory redistribution of wealth is that it does NOT "bring up the bottom". It only destroys the top, and the entire culture & society are the worse for it. We need to stop penalizing those who make good choices, work hard, and succeed. Likewise, we need to stop coddling, and excusing the behavior of people who choose to act like idiots.
(ffbruce;62585)
According to Barack Obama, Yes - Absolutely! Obama obviously believes that. ONE OF the problems with mandatory redistribution of wealth is that it does NOT "bring up the bottom". It only destroys the top, and the entire culture & society are the worse for it. We need to stop penalizing those who make good choices, work hard, and succeed. Likewise, we need to stop coddling, and excusing the behavior of people who choose to act like idiots.
You're absolutely right. Every socialist regime is testimony to the fact that stealing from the rich and giving to the poor weakens the regime as a whole. The USSR, Cuba, and China are some good examples. The only reason that China seems to be prospering at the moment is because they've opened their door to the capitalist spirit (temporary? who knows). Obama will wreck our country. I can't say that I was too happy with Bush's "drunken sailor" spending practices; his non-veto, sign everything mentality; and his open border policy. It's almost as if he was a wolf in sheep's clothing who set the stage for the next phase of America's demise.
According to Barack Obama, Yes - Absolutely! Obama obviously believes that. ONE OF the problems with mandatory redistribution of wealth is that it does NOT "bring up the bottom". It only destroys the top, and the entire culture & society are the worse for it. We need to stop penalizing those who make good choices, work hard, and succeed. Likewise, we need to stop coddling, and excusing the behavior of people who choose to act like idiots.
You're absolutely right. Every socialist regime is testimony to the fact that stealing from the rich and giving to the poor weakens the regime as a whole. The USSR, Cuba, and China are some good examples. The only reason that China seems to be prospering at the moment is because they've opened their door to the capitalist spirit (temporary? who knows). Obama will wreck our country. I can't say that I was too happy with Bush's "drunken sailor" spending practices; his non-veto, sign everything mentality; and his open border policy. It's almost as if he was a wolf in sheep's clothing who set the stage for the next phase of America's demise.
(ActionJackson;62583)
Political Socialism is not synonymous with free-will charity. Christian charity is based on a willingness of the giver to give of his own free will and as a result of a good conscience. Political Socialism is a much different animal. Political Socialism mandates the taking of wealth from one group and giving it to another group. It is not based on a good conscience or on free will. What's more, I, as a Christian, should be allowed to choose where my charitable contribution should go. I should be able to give money to an elderly widow instead of an inner city, street thug. That's called freedom in my book. If a man gets up at 4:00 AM every morning, puts on his work clothes, works his tail off for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week and ends up bringing home $100,000,.00 a year should he be forced to give a portion of it to an inner city thug who gets up at 11:00AM and spends the rest of the day finding ways to waste his time? If you believe so...please give me a good reason for reaching your conclusion.
A. That already happens now. Its called welfare.B. Obama's plan is for those who make MORE than 250,000 a year.C. Obama's plan is trying to help those who are poor but are still trying to work hard and make it through life.
Political Socialism is not synonymous with free-will charity. Christian charity is based on a willingness of the giver to give of his own free will and as a result of a good conscience. Political Socialism is a much different animal. Political Socialism mandates the taking of wealth from one group and giving it to another group. It is not based on a good conscience or on free will. What's more, I, as a Christian, should be allowed to choose where my charitable contribution should go. I should be able to give money to an elderly widow instead of an inner city, street thug. That's called freedom in my book. If a man gets up at 4:00 AM every morning, puts on his work clothes, works his tail off for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week and ends up bringing home $100,000,.00 a year should he be forced to give a portion of it to an inner city thug who gets up at 11:00AM and spends the rest of the day finding ways to waste his time? If you believe so...please give me a good reason for reaching your conclusion.
A. That already happens now. Its called welfare.B. Obama's plan is for those who make MORE than 250,000 a year.C. Obama's plan is trying to help those who are poor but are still trying to work hard and make it through life.
Actully its been now said to be 120,000 and it will keep dropping. You cant support everybody without raising everyones taxes
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