Forgery in the Bible

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What is in the Bible isn't forgeries. Nothing is left out. Nothing is lost. We arn't missing anything.

How do you know?


Because Jesus Christ said 'it is written'. Which means He took it literally. He is the Son of God and should know. Right? That is a question.

How do you know that's what He meant? Did he add later that that phrase meant literally?


Well, please clarify, is Jesus Christ the Son of God and Saviour?

Jesus was born through the virgin Mary, who was then crucified on the cross to be the ultimate sacrifice so that we sinners can hope to live our lives good enough so that we can enter Heaven. He paid for our sins with His blood and Body, which we take communion once a month to remember His sacrifice for us. So I would say yes He is.


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What is in the Bible isn't forgeries. Nothing is left out. Nothing is lost. We arn't missing anything.

How do you know?


Because Jesus Christ said 'it is written'. Which means He took it literally. He is the Son of God and should know. Right? That is a question.

How do you know that's what He meant? Did he add later that that phrase meant literally?


Well, please clarify, is Jesus Christ the Son of God and Saviour?

Jesus was born through the virgin Mary, who was then crucified on the cross to be the ultimate sacrifice so that we sinners can hope to live our lives good enough so that we can enter Heaven. He paid for our sins with His blood and Body, which we take communion once a month to remember His sacrifice for us. So I would say yes He is.


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Because I know Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour. And I know the Bible is the Word of God. The Spirit of God gives me this to know.

When Jesus Christ said 'it is written', He acknowledged the authority of the written Word of God and interpreted it 'literally'.

How do you know He is?

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Because I know Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour. And I know the Bible is the Word of God. The Spirit of God gives me this to know


When Jesus Christ said 'it is written', He acknowledged the authority of the written Word of God and interpreted it 'literally'.

How do you know? I still haven't found anything you've said that says that Jesus said, take this literally. Could you please give me another part of the Bible that tells us to take everything literally?


How do you know He is?

Haven't we already discussed this? In the Bible it says what I paraphrased earlier. I guess I should reinforce this, I'm not saying that all of the Bible is non-literal. I do believe that Jesus went on the cross to pay for our sins. Now can we get back to what we were debating please?

 

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Because I know Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour. And I know the Bible is the Word of God. The Spirit of God gives me this to know


When Jesus Christ said 'it is written', He acknowledged the authority of the written Word of God and interpreted it 'literally'.

How do you know? I still haven't found anything you've said that says that Jesus said, take this literally. Could you please give me another part of the Bible that tells us to take everything literally?


How do you know He is?

Haven't we already discussed this? In the Bible it says what I paraphrased earlier. I guess I should reinforce this, I'm not saying that all of the Bible is non-literal. I do believe that Jesus went on the cross to pay for our sins. Now can we get back to what we were debating please?

How do I know? I just said. The Spirit of God has given it to me to know.

I already said, Jesus said 'it is written'. That mean He trusted the Word of God, and interpreted it lieterally.

You didn't answer anything. I asked how do you know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Saviour? How do you know that is to be taken literally?

 

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How do I know? I just said. The Spirit of God has given it to me to know.

I'm sorry but I simply cannot take a person's word in saying that God told them. I've heard so many stories about how people think that they are Jesus that I can't take things like what you're saying seriously. Have you heard elsewhere?


I already said, Jesus said 'it is written'. That mean He trusted the Word of God, and interpreted it lieterally.

"It is written" does not equal "Take this literally". Please provide other parts of the Bible to support this.


You didn't answer anything. I asked how do you know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Saviour? How do you know that is to be taken literally?

Because I have yet to hear of anyone saying that part of the Bible was added later, although I have heard why the accounts are slightly different in those two books. It was done to convey a certain meaning. I'd have to find that book again so I don't botch up the explanation. Plus, this is such a foundational part of Christianity I feel like this would have come up sooner in my readings, but you never know. And also, I do actually take this reading cautiously. I won't just believe some random person online about what is and isn't literal.

 

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How do I know? I just said. The Spirit of God has given it to me to know.

I'm sorry but I simply cannot take a person's word in saying that God told them. I've heard so many stories about how people think that they are Jesus that I can't take things like what you're saying seriously. Have you heard elsewhere?


I already said, Jesus said 'it is written'. That mean He trusted the Word of God, and interpreted it lieterally.

"It is written" does not equal "Take this literally". Please provide other parts of the Bible to support this.


You didn't answer anything. I asked how do you know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Saviour? How do you know that is to be taken literally?

Because I have yet to hear of anyone saying that part of the Bible was added later, although I have heard why the accounts are slightly different in those two books. It was done to convey a certain meaning. I'd have to find that book again so I don't botch up the explanation. Plus, this is such a foundational part of Christianity I feel like this would have come up sooner in my readings, but you never know. And also, I do actually take this reading cautiously. I won't just believe some random person online about what is and isn't literal.

Thats fine, I understand. If you were Christian you would also.

Again, 'It is written' shows Jesus Christ acknowledged the authority of Scripture, and that it was to be taken literally.

"but you never know" . Explains you very well.

We as Christians do 'know'. Because we have the Holy Spirit giving us that knowledge.

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Thats fine, I understand. If you were Christian you would also.

First off, it's actually very rude to call someone you barely a non - Christian. And what exactly would I know also?


Again, 'It is written' shows Jesus Christ acknowledged the authority of Scripture, and that it was to be taken literally.

I really wish you would just tell me how "It is written" equals "take this literally" I tried to ask it as clearly as possible, what aren't you getting? I know that I don't always explain things well, so if you could tell me where you're not understanding my question I would appreciate it. That way I can try to rephrase it better for you.


"but you never know" . Explains you very well.


We as Christians do 'know'. Because we have the Holy Spirit giving us that knowledge.

I would say I am a Christian, regardless of what you think. And also, I wasn't lying before, it's called having a Messianic Complex. Although God does work in our lives and guides us, He does not have a direct link telling you what exactly what to do and believe. That's why the Bible is used, to help guide us through our journey on Earth. If we had God speaking to us directly, the Bible itself would not be necessary. So that's why I doubt your idea that He is speaking directly to you.


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Thats fine, I understand. If you were Christian you would also.

First off, it's actually very rude to call someone you barely a non - Christian. And what exactly would I know also?


Again, 'It is written' shows Jesus Christ acknowledged the authority of Scripture, and that it was to be taken literally.

I really wish you would just tell me how "It is written" equals "take this literally" I tried to ask it as clearly as possible, what aren't you getting? I know that I don't always explain things well, so if you could tell me where you're not understanding my question I would appreciate it. That way I can try to rephrase it better for you.


"but you never know" . Explains you very well.


We as Christians do 'know'. Because we have the Holy Spirit giving us that knowledge.

I would say I am a Christian, regardless of what you think. And also, I wasn't lying before, it's called having a Messianic Complex. Although God does work in our lives and guides us, He does not have a direct link telling you what exactly what to do and believe. That's why the Bible is used, to help guide us through our journey on Earth. If we had God speaking to us directly, the Bible itself would not be necessary. So that's why I doubt your idea that He is speaking directly to you.


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You would know that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Saviour and that the Bible is the Word of God. It is rude for you to project yourself as a Christian and treat the Word of God with such disdain.

See Matt. 4. There Jesus said at least three different times, 'It is written'. That means He trusted the Scripture as being the Word of God, not of man, and that it was to be interpreted literally. And Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and He should know.

It doesn't matter what I think. What matters is what God thinks. And God has declared the Bible as His Word, which you describe as the writings of men. Except those parts you want to believe.

Messianic Complex? Is that your excuse? Chrsitians have the Holy Spirit to know the things given them of God. To know that the things written in the Bible are true.


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You would know that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Saviour and that the Bible is the Word of God. It is rude for you to project yourself as a Christian and treat the Word of God with such disdain.

When did I ever say I treated it with disdain? It's because I want to know more about it that I try to look into it as much as possible.


See Matt. 4. There Jesus said at least three different times, 'It is written'. That means He trusted the Scripture as being the Word of God, not of man, and that it was to be interpreted literally. And Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and He should know.

I'm glad you pointed out where exactly it says "It is written", but you haven't exactly said where it said that equals "this is literal"

It doesn't matter what I think. What matters is what God thinks. And God has declared the Bible as His Word, which you describe as the writings of men. Except those parts you want to believe.

Yes, but if we are not reading it in the way that it was meant to be read, aren't we not doing what God declared?

Messianic Complex? Is that your excuse? Chrsitians have the Holy Spirit to know the things given them of God. To know that the things written in the Bible are true.

How is that an excuse? You are saying that you believe that God is literally telling you everything, which would mean that the Bible itself would be pointless because we would have God telling us, "Hey, I think that you should turn the other cheek and forgive him, I had talked to him to not say such mean things but he ignored Me." But He doesn't, which is why we have the Bible to guide us. If you really do have a direct link, then the Bible for you would be pointless. So unless you're going to say that...I don't think what you are making a good argument.

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You would know that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Saviour and that the Bible is the Word of God. It is rude for you to project yourself as a Christian and treat the Word of God with such disdain.

When did I ever say I treated it with disdain? It's because I want to know more about it that I try to look into it as much as possible.


See Matt. 4. There Jesus said at least three different times, 'It is written'. That means He trusted the Scripture as being the Word of God, not of man, and that it was to be interpreted literally. And Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and He should know.

I'm glad you pointed out where exactly it says "It is written", but you haven't exactly said where it said that equals "this is literal"

It doesn't matter what I think. What matters is what God thinks. And God has declared the Bible as His Word, which you describe as the writings of men. Except those parts you want to believe.

Yes, but if we are not reading it in the way that it was meant to be read, aren't we not doing what God declared?

Messianic Complex? Is that your excuse? Chrsitians have the Holy Spirit to know the things given them of God. To know that the things written in the Bible are true.

How is that an excuse? You are saying that you believe that God is literally telling you everything, which would mean that the Bible itself would be pointless because we would have God telling us, "Hey, I think that you should turn the other cheek and forgive him, I had talked to him to not say such mean things but he ignored Me." But He doesn't, which is why we have the Bible to guide us. If you really do have a direct link, then the Bible for you would be pointless. So unless you're going to say that...I don't think what you are making a good argument.

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You treat it with disdain when you cast doubt on it as the Word of God.

As I have said many times, as I also said of Matt. 4, Jesus interpreted the Scriptures as literal.

The Bible is the Word of God. All of it. God is the Author. Man is the writer who is inspired by God. The only correct way to read the Bible is in this way.

I am saying the Bible is to be interpreted literally. And that the Christian has the Holy Spirit to given him to know the truths of the Bible. Just because the Christian has the Holy Spirit doesn't mean the Bible is pointless. The Holy Spirit leads the Christian to grow in the knowledg of the truth of the Bible. But, the Holy Spirit does not lead the Christian to doubt any or all of the Bible.

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You treat it with disdain when you cast doubt on it as the Word of God.

As I have said many times, as I also said of Matt. 4, Jesus interpreted the Scriptures as literal.

All I read was you pointing out where it says it is written, if you could give the whole verse where it explains that this means take the Bible literally I'd appreciate it. I'm trying to see from your point of view, but if you could go into more detail about it that would be great.


The Bible is the Word of God. All of it. God is the Author. Man is the writer who is inspired by God. The only correct way to read the Bible is in this way.

So the people God had chosen to be leaders have never made mistakes? That they have lived absolutely perfect lives? Like the tax collector, or Paul etc? And where in the Bible does it say, this is meant to be taken literally? I wish you would just point this out so I can read it for myself.


I am saying the Bible is to be interpreted literally. And that the Christian has the Holy Spirit to given him to know the truths of the Bible. Just because the Christian has the Holy Spirit doesn't mean the Bible is pointless. The Holy Spirit leads the Christian to grow in the knowledg of the truth of the Bible. But, the Holy Spirit does not lead the Christian to doubt any or all of the Bible.

So "you" are saying it's meant to be taken literally. Please provide where in the Bible it says that a particular passage is meant to be taken literally, not "you". And you're also saying that there is a voice telling you how everything is again. If there is a literal voice telling you to take the Bible literally, would it not just make sense to tell the person "Hey, don't do that." ? But the Holy Spirit does not literally tell you what to and not to believe. The Bible is what we must take our information on, and if the people who wrote the Bible meant it to be read in a different way, or if parts have been added in or taken out, or if there are forgeries, then we are missing out. I want to know how it was read and interpreted in the times when it was written, because I believe that is the best way to read the Bible since that is how people in Biblical times lived out their lives.


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You treat it with disdain when you cast doubt on it as the Word of God.

As I have said many times, as I also said of Matt. 4, Jesus interpreted the Scriptures as literal.

All I read was you pointing out where it says it is written, if you could give the whole verse where it explains that this means take the Bible literally I'd appreciate it. I'm trying to see from your point of view, but if you could go into more detail about it that would be great.


The Bible is the Word of God. All of it. God is the Author. Man is the writer who is inspired by God. The only correct way to read the Bible is in this way.

So the people God had chosen to be leaders have never made mistakes? That they have lived absolutely perfect lives? Like the tax collector, or Paul etc? And where in the Bible does it say, this is meant to be taken literally? I wish you would just point this out so I can read it for myself.


I am saying the Bible is to be interpreted literally. And that the Christian has the Holy Spirit to given him to know the truths of the Bible. Just because the Christian has the Holy Spirit doesn't mean the Bible is pointless. The Holy Spirit leads the Christian to grow in the knowledg of the truth of the Bible. But, the Holy Spirit does not lead the Christian to doubt any or all of the Bible.

So "you" are saying it's meant to be taken literally. Please provide where in the Bible it says that a particular passage is meant to be taken literally, not "you". And you're also saying that there is a voice telling you how everything is again. If there is a literal voice telling you to take the Bible literally, would it not just make sense to tell the person "Hey, don't do that." ? But the Holy Spirit does not literally tell you what to and not to believe. The Bible is what we must take our information on, and if the people who wrote the Bible meant it to be read in a different way, or if parts have been added in or taken out, or if there are forgeries, then we are missing out. I want to know how it was read and interpreted in the times when it was written, because I believe that is the best way to read the Bible since that is how people in Biblical times lived out their lives.


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Please note that when I am saying "you", I'm trying to prove a point that taking the Bible literally is also a man's point of view. I haven't read where the Bible says take this literally, so if you or anyone else can show me where that is I would appreciate it.

 

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Did I not give you the Bible reference to look up?

Matt. 4:4 "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

Which is a quote from;

Deut. 8:3 "...that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live."

Jesus Christ The Son of God gave all authority to the written Word. And interpreted it literally.

Sure the people God chose to be writers of Scripture made mistakes. Just not in the writing of Scripture. They were inspired, born along, by the Holy Spirit so that what they wrote was exactly what God wanted written.

Well, yes the Christian has the Holy Spirit. That Spirit of God is the One who first of all opened the Christians eyes to be able to believe and know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Saviour. And if you didn't come like that, by faith, then you didn't come. Matt. 16:17 And now that the Christian has that Spirit, he does know the Bible is the Word of God because it comes from God. As Jesus said, 'my sheep hear my voice'.

If you know Jesus Christ, you will know the Word of God. John 7:17 " If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or wehether I speak of myself."

John 6: 40 " And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life:..."

First things first. You can't learn to be a Chrstian. You believe.

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Did I not give you the Bible reference to look up?

Matt. 4:4 "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

Which is a quote from;

Deut. 8:3 "...that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live."

So those sections are meant to be taken literally, gotcha.


Jesus Christ The Son of God gave all authority to the written Word. And interpreted it literally.

Sure the people God chose to be writers of Scripture made mistakes. Just not in the writing of Scripture. They were inspired, born along, by the Holy Spirit so that what they wrote was exactly what God wanted written.

Aren't people now also guided by the Holy Spirit, but they still make mistakes? For example, you and I have the Holy Spirit within us, are you going to say that you have never sinned?


Well, yes the Christian has the Holy Spirit. That Spirit of God is the One who first of all opened the Christians eyes to be able to believe and know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Saviour. And if you didn't come like that, by faith, then you didn't come. Matt. 16:17 And now that the Christian has that Spirit, he does know the Bible is the Word of God because it comes from God. As Jesus said, 'my sheep hear my voice'.

What makes you think I do not have faith?


If you know Jesus Christ, you will know the Word of God. John 7:17 " If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or wehether I speak of myself."

John 6: 40 " And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life:..."

I don't see how this is relevant seeing as I do believe in Him. I thought we had already discussed this.


First things first. You can't learn to be a Chrstian. You believe.

Again irrelevant. I do believe, so I'm already a Christian.

 

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snr5557

Did I not give you the Bible reference to look up?

Matt. 4:4 "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

Which is a quote from;

Deut. 8:3 "...that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live."

So those sections are meant to be taken literally, gotcha.


Jesus Christ The Son of God gave all authority to the written Word. And interpreted it literally.

Sure the people God chose to be writers of Scripture made mistakes. Just not in the writing of Scripture. They were inspired, born along, by the Holy Spirit so that what they wrote was exactly what God wanted written.

Aren't people now also guided by the Holy Spirit, but they still make mistakes? For example, you and I have the Holy Spirit within us, are you going to say that you have never sinned?


Well, yes the Christian has the Holy Spirit. That Spirit of God is the One who first of all opened the Christians eyes to be able to believe and know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Saviour. And if you didn't come like that, by faith, then you didn't come. Matt. 16:17 And now that the Christian has that Spirit, he does know the Bible is the Word of God because it comes from God. As Jesus said, 'my sheep hear my voice'.

What makes you think I do not have faith?


If you know Jesus Christ, you will know the Word of God. John 7:17 " If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or wehether I speak of myself."

John 6: 40 " And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life:..."

I don't see how this is relevant seeing as I do believe in Him. I thought we had already discussed this.


First things first. You can't learn to be a Chrstian. You believe.

Again irrelevant. I do believe, so I'm already a Christian.

I gave you those verses to prove to you that Jesus Christ interpreted the Bible literally. Which they do. But of course for one as yourself, who doesn't believe the Bible is the Word of God, and doesn't know what is to be belileved in it or not, it proves nothing. But you asked, so I gave it.

I have no assurance you have the Holy Spirit. You have not come to Christ by faith. You only speak of 'god'. The verses you believe in Scripture are those proven to you in some way. That is not faith. Yes, I sin all the time. But we are not talking about me. We are talking about those who were inspired by God to write the Bible. And that inspiratation from God insured that what was written was exactly what God said.

It is relevant because it is how one knows, how a Christia knows, that the Bible is the Word of God. Which you say is not, yet you keep saying your Christian. Sure.

Yes, I know you say you are. But your words betray that statement. Faith is first.

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I gave you those verses to prove to you that Jesus Christ interpreted the Bible literally. Which they do. But of course for one as yourself, who doesn't believe the Bible is the Word of God, and doesn't know what is to be belileved in it or not, it proves nothing. But you asked, so I gave it.

Who said I didn't believe? People will make mistakes, so I want to seek the truth.


I have no assurance you have the Holy Spirit. You have not come to Christ by faith. You only speak of 'god'. The verses you believe in Scripture are those proven to you in some way. That is not faith. Yes, I sin all the time. But we are not talking about me. We are talking about those who were inspired by God to write the Bible. And that inspiratation from God insured that what was written was exactly what God said.

That is actually very judgemental and presumptuous of you to say. I don't lack faith in God, I lack faith in man, since man can make mistakes. Those who wrote the Bible were men just like you, capable of making mistakes or errors.


It is relevant because it is how one knows, how a Christia knows, that the Bible is the Word of God. Which you say is not, yet you keep saying your Christian. Sure.

A Christian knows through faith in God, not man. Again, I just don't hold humanity as high as I do God, sorry but I don't. Humanity can be cruel and selfish, we are prone to mistakes and pride. To suddenly remove the people who wrote the Bible from the problems of humanity I think is a mistake.


Yes, I know you say you are. But your words betray that statement. Faith is first.

My words only prove my statement. Faith in God, not humanity, first.

 

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I gave you those verses to prove to you that Jesus Christ interpreted the Bible literally. Which they do. But of course for one as yourself, who doesn't believe the Bible is the Word of God, and doesn't know what is to be belileved in it or not, it proves nothing. But you asked, so I gave it.

Who said I didn't believe? People will make mistakes, so I want to seek the truth.


I have no assurance you have the Holy Spirit. You have not come to Christ by faith. You only speak of 'god'. The verses you believe in Scripture are those proven to you in some way. That is not faith. Yes, I sin all the time. But we are not talking about me. We are talking about those who were inspired by God to write the Bible. And that inspiratation from God insured that what was written was exactly what God said.

That is actually very judgemental and presumptuous of you to say. I don't lack faith in God, I lack faith in man, since man can make mistakes. Those who wrote the Bible were men just like you, capable of making mistakes or errors.


It is relevant because it is how one knows, how a Christia knows, that the Bible is the Word of God. Which you say is not, yet you keep saying your Christian. Sure.

A Christian knows through faith in God, not man. Again, I just don't hold humanity as high as I do God, sorry but I don't. Humanity can be cruel and selfish, we are prone to mistakes and pride. To suddenly remove the people who wrote the Bible from the problems of humanity I think is a mistake.


Yes, I know you say you are. But your words betray that statement. Faith is first.

My words only prove my statement. Faith in God, not humanity, first.

You said you didn't believe. I gave you the verses. Yet you don't believe them. No matter what I give you in the Bible, you will just say, that is a forgery or not literal, etc. etc. Why? Because you don't believe the Bible is the Word of God. Not hard.

If you want the Truth, come to Christ by faith.

You lack faith in Jesus Christ, which means you lack faith in God. Call it what you want. I can only respond to your words.

A Christian knows first, faith in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and Saviour. Without that, the Bible is nothing but a book. Just like it is to you. To remove the work of God in the writing of His Word is your big mistake.

Again, your words betray you. Faith in god, is not faith in Christ. Faith in Christ is faith in God.

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You said you didn't believe. I gave you the verses. Yet you don't believe them. No matter what I give you in the Bible, you will just say, that is a forgery or not literal, etc. etc. Why? Because you don't believe the Bible is the Word of God. Not hard.

I said those verses in which you provided were literal, but Jesus did not say, it is written, throughout the entire Bible did He? I know this could take awhile, but could you show me where it says it is written after everything in the Bible?


If you want the Truth, come to Christ by faith.

You lack faith in Jesus Christ, which means you lack faith in God. Call it what you want. I can only respond to your words.

I lack faith in the majority of Humanity, except Jesus who came to the Earth through the virgin Mary. The rest of humanity is not God, I promise.


A Christian knows first, faith in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and Saviour. Without that, the Bible is nothing but a book. Just like it is to you. To remove the work of God in the writing of His Word is your big mistake.

A Christian knows that humanity is capable of mistakes, by thinking that humanity is perfect, including those who wrote the Bible, would mean that the Bible is useless, because if we all lived perfect lives on our own we would not need the Bible. When people had removed or added or forged the work of God is a mistake on them, I simply try to see where they could have done that.


Again, your words betray you. Faith in god, is not faith in Christ. Faith in Christ is faith in God.

I believe in the trinity, so I believe that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are all one and the same. I believe in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are correct, but that humanity is not always correct. I simply don't hold humanity that high, I don't know how else to explain that I don't think humanity is as great as God to you.

 

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You said you didn't believe. I gave you the verses. Yet you don't believe them. No matter what I give you in the Bible, you will just say, that is a forgery or not literal, etc. etc. Why? Because you don't believe the Bible is the Word of God. Not hard.

I said those verses in which you provided were literal, but Jesus did not say, it is written, throughout the entire Bible did He? I know this could take awhile, but could you show me where it says it is written after everything in the Bible?


If you want the Truth, come to Christ by faith.

You lack faith in Jesus Christ, which means you lack faith in God. Call it what you want. I can only respond to your words.

I lack faith in the majority of Humanity, except Jesus who came to the Earth through the virgin Mary. The rest of humanity is not God, I promise.


A Christian knows first, faith in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and Saviour. Without that, the Bible is nothing but a book. Just like it is to you. To remove the work of God in the writing of His Word is your big mistake.

A Christian knows that humanity is capable of mistakes, by thinking that humanity is perfect, including those who wrote the Bible, would mean that the Bible is useless, because if we all lived perfect lives on our own we would not need the Bible. When people had removed or added or forged the work of God is a mistake on them, I simply try to see where they could have done that.


Again, your words betray you. Faith in god, is not faith in Christ. Faith in Christ is faith in God.

I believe in the trinity, so I believe that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are all one and the same. I believe in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are correct, but that humanity is not always correct. I simply don't hold humanity that high, I don't know how else to explain that I don't think humanity is as great as God to you.

I showed you that Jesus Christ intepreted the Scriptures literally. Thus you have your proof for the literal interpreatation of the Bible, and that the Bible is to be considered the Word of God.

I never said the rest of humanity was God.

I never said humanity was perfect.

The Bible is not a forged work.

I didn't say humanity is as great as God.

You need to pay a little more attention.

Why do you believe the Trinity?

Quantrill

 

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I showed you that Jesus Christ intepreted the Scriptures literally. Thus you have your proof for the literal interpreatation of the Bible, and that the Bible is to be considered the Word of God.

You showed how in those instances it does, but not the entire Bible.


I never said the rest of humanity was God.

I never said humanity was perfect.

The Bible is not a forged work.

How do you know?


I didn't say humanity is as great as God.

You need to pay a little more attention.

Why do you believe the Trinity?


You keep repeating things like this ^ over and over, and it doesn't really answer anything. Can we stick to the debate at hand please? I'm trying to learn from a Creationsist's point of view, but I feel like we're just going in circles and you keep asking the same kinds of question which I've already answered. So if you could provide any other thoughts on this topic would be great, but if you don't that's fine as well.

 

[Quantrill]

I showed you that Jesus Christ intepreted the Scriptures literally. Thus you have your proof for the literal interpreatation of the Bible, and that the Bible is to be considered the Word of God.

You showed how in those instances it does, but not the entire Bible.


I never said the rest of humanity was God.

I never said humanity was perfect.

The Bible is not a forged work.

How do you know?


I didn't say humanity is as great as God.

You need to pay a little more attention.

Why do you believe the Trinity?


You keep repeating things like this ^ over and over, and it doesn't really answer anything. Can we stick to the debate at hand please? I'm trying to learn from a Creationsist's point of view, but I feel like we're just going in circles and you keep asking the same kinds of question which I've already answered. So if you could provide any other thoughts on this topic would be great, but if you don't that's fine as well.

Again, Jesus interpreted the Bible literally. Thus the Bible is to be interpreted literally.

I already told you. Because God oversees the writing of His Word.

Why do you believe the Trinity.?

Quantrill