Free speech

[haz]

You are right christians are not under the law of Moses, the 613 sacrificial, feast, festival, cleanliness, circumcision laws......
but are under the moral law of God, the ten commandments.....

I see you just ignore any scripture that contradicts your doctrine of righteousness by works of the law.

Again I'll quote 2Cor 3:7-11 for you.

But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones (the 10 commandments) , was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

.sin is transgression of God's law..the ten commandments according to 1st John..so if you do not follow the ten commandments you are sinning...and Paul says in Romans..do we sin more so grace abounds? God forbid....

And as you are under the law then whatever the law says it says to those under it, Rom 3:19.
So as you fail to keep the law perfectly (James 2:10) then you're guilty of all the law, a worker of iniquity.

But for Christians, our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.
Thus we see in 1John 3:9 that Christians cannot sin. This means that we cannot be charged with sin as we're not under the jurisdiction of the law for righteousness. It's our faith that is counted for righteousness, instead.

Rom 8:33
Who shall lay ANY THING (this includes sin) to the charge of God's elect?

Christians have been crucified with Christ and thus we cannot be charged with sin, we've ceased from sin.

1Pet 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered (crucified) for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind (our old man crucified with Christ, Rom 6:6): for he that hath suffered in the flesh (Rom 6:6) hath ceased from sin

 

[heretoeternity]

Why do you carry on this discussion on this topic? You seem obsessed with the topic of God's law and the ten commandments..why don't you go to the appropriate topic board Haz? But seeing you mentioned it...do you know what sin is? No...well it is transgression of God's law according to Apostle John...do you know what Paul said on the subject of faith and grace? Read Romans, and my previous posts and you will see...if you have faith your establish God's law, not ignore it...you seem very confused...get back to the basic and pray for understanding so God will take the scales from your eyes and mind and show you His truth, not what you have been wrongfully taught in mainstream christianity...

On the subject of free speech...there is a reason pastors do not speak from the pulpit against the evils in the USA such as abortion, homosexuality, pornography, and a general decline in morality and human decency..the reason is they chose to cherish their tax exemption status more than they cherish the word of God, by coming against the evils..they say they are "christian" but spout false scriptures and are in fact "wolves in sheep's clothing"....narrow is the way that leads to salvation..broad is the path that leads to destruction...

Remember salvation is through the Son of God His grace and commandments and not the sungod/satan and his days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.

 

[haz]

Why do you carry on this discussion on this topic?

Because braklite introduced the law with it's Sabbath keeping under this topic.

But seeing you mentioned it...do you know what sin is? No...well it is transgression of God's law according to Apostle John...do you know what Paul said on the subject of faith and grace? Read Romans, and my previous posts and you will see...if you have faith your establish God's law, not ignore it...

I do know what sin is and I have explained to you in previous debates, confirming with scriptures, why sin does not apply to Christians.

I've also explained how Christians establish the law also.

You see establish the law as trying to keep it to some ambiguous minimum standard and anyone who fails to do so is unrighteous and lost. in other words righteousness by works of the law.

But I see it as Christians acknowledge that the law is just, good and holy (Rom 7:12) and that we were rightly judged as sinners deserving of the death penalty. But we accepted God's mercy and grace, submitting to His righteousness and believing on Jesus.

 

[heretoeternity]

God makes the law..not you Haz...He writes it in stone, so that should be good enough for anyone who calls themselves a "Christian", if you want to denigrate God's Holy Law, and go against the teachings of God, Jesus, and the Apostles, that is up to your free will...but anyone who wants to be a true Christian, has to follow God''s law, and His teachings...
By misquoting and misinterpreting scripture, you want to make your point? That is satan's method of operation, and the mainstream "christian" religion is going right along with it...
For your own benefit I suggest you read my previous posts, and learn the truth, and it will make your free...
As Peter said in 2nd Peter 3....be careful when misinterpreting Paul's writing, because, the unlearned such as yourself, will misinterpret it to your own destruction......
Apostle John in 1st John said "those who say they know Him and keep NOT His commandments are liars and the truth is not in them...
Is that the category you want to be in?
I suggest you clear your mind of all the fictitious reasons you have been taught to NOT follow God's commandments, and concentrate on the Bible as it is written, and look at the true reasons written in the Bible why you should follow God's Commandments....

And remember always, salvation is through the Son of God, His grace and commandments and not the sungod/satan and his days of sunday , dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.

 

[haz]

if you want to denigrate God's Holy Law, and go against the teachings of God, Jesus, and the Apostles, that is up to your free will...

As I've already said to you before, the law is good, just and holy, Rom 7:12.

I'm left wondering whether you are just forgetful about what I've said to you in previous debates or whether you are deliberately misrepresenting me in an attempt to present your error doctrine in a positive light.

As Peter said in 2nd Peter 3....be careful when misinterpreting Paul's writing, because, the unlearned such as yourself, will misinterpret it to your own destruction......

Consider the context of 2Pet 3

2Pet 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

Repentance from what?
Heb 6:1
Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God

When someone believes on Jesus they repent of their dead works of self righteousness.

Paul repented of his dead works of self-righteousness through the law, at his conversion
Phil 3:4-9
though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness (dead works) , which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith

Consider also 2Pet 3:14 as further confirmation of context.
Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless;

We have peace with God when we obey His will to believe on Jesus, John 6:40. This is what we did when we repented of our dead works of self-righteousness.

For legalists, they see 2Pet 3:14 meaning that obedience, "without spot and blameless", to the law is what this verse refers to. This confirms that legalists are like those described in 2Pet 3:16:
"untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction,"

But my understanding of 2Pet 3:14 is that to be at peace with God is to believe on Jesus (John 3:16), which is God's will for us (John 6:40).
And we are to obey this commandment to believe on Jesus, without spot and blameless.

1Tim 6:12-14
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life (John 3:16), to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession (confessed Jesus with your mouth, Rom 10:9) in the presence of many witnesses.
I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, that you keep this commandment (to believe on Jesus, John 3:16, John 6:40) without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing,

Legalists do not keep the commandment to believe on Jesus, without spot and blameless.
They instead turn to the law for righteousness and in doing so reject Christ's sacrifice. Remember that the law is not of faith, Gal 3:12.

And again for context, consider 2Pet 3:17
You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;

Here we see confirmation with scripture such as 1Tim 6:12-14 which I quoted earlier. Christians are fighting the good fight of faith, obeying the commandment to believe on Jesus, without spot and blameless. In this good fight of faith we beware lest we also fall from our own steadfastness in believing on Jesus.

Thus we see that it is the legalists who are the "untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction"

Apostle John in 1st John said "those who say they know Him and keep NOT His commandments are liars and the truth is not in them...

And what are Christ's commandments?

1John 3:22-23.
we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.
And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

Clearly it's the untaught/unstable legalists who have twisted scriptures to their own destruction, 2Pet 3:16.
They reject Christ and his two commandments, and turn instead to dead works of self-righteousness through the law (Phil 3:9).
Remember that the law is not of faith, Gal 3:12.

 

[JimParker]

Would like your opinions on this....a resolution before the UN that will make all member nations establish laws making 'blaspemy' unlawful. Criticism of Islam comes under the heading of blasphemy according to the UN.

My opinion is to ignore it.

No Senator who wants to get re-elected is going to vote for any "blasphemy" treaty.

 

[DogLady19]

Would like your opinions on this....a resolution before the UN that will make all member nations establish laws making 'blaspemy' unlawful. Criticism of Islam comes under the heading of blasphemy according to the UN.

This is a rumor. UN denounces blasphemy laws adopted by other countries because they are dangerous and impossible to enforce.

here is a March 10th report from the UN concerning blasphemy laws of other countries in the context of violence in the name of religion:
http://www.unog.ch/unog/website/news_media.nsf/%28httpNewsByYear_en%29/83AFDCB3CAA04817C1257E04004F25C5?OpenDocument&cntxt=88904&cookielang=fr