heretoeternity said:
if you want to denigrate God's Holy Law, and go against the teachings of God, Jesus, and the Apostles, that is up to your free will...
As I've already said to you before, the law is good, just and holy, Rom 7:12.
I'm left wondering whether you are just forgetful about what I've said to you in previous debates or whether you are deliberately misrepresenting me in an attempt to present your error doctrine in a positive light.
heretoeternity said:
As Peter said in 2nd Peter 3....be careful when misinterpreting Paul's writing, because, the unlearned such as yourself, will misinterpret it to your own destruction......
Consider the context of 2Pet 3
2Pet 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
Repentance from what?
Heb 6:1
Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God
When someone believes on Jesus they repent of their
dead works of self righteousness.
Paul repented of his dead works of self-righteousness through the law, at his conversion
Phil 3:4-9
though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness (dead works) , which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith
Consider also 2Pet 3:14 as further confirmation of context.
Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless;
We have peace with God when we obey His will to believe on Jesus, John 6:40. This is what we did when we repented of our dead works of self-righteousness.
For legalists, they see 2Pet 3:14 meaning that obedience,
"without spot and blameless", to the law is what this verse refers to. This confirms that legalists are like those described in 2Pet 3:16:
"untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction,"
But my understanding of 2Pet 3:14 is that to be at peace with God is to
believe on Jesus (John 3:16), which is
God's will for us (John 6:40).
And we are to obey this commandment to believe on Jesus,
without spot and blameless.
1Tim 6:12-14
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life (John 3:16), to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession (confessed Jesus with your mouth, Rom 10:9) in the presence of many witnesses.
I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, that you keep this commandment (to believe on Jesus, John 3:16, John 6:40) without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing,
Legalists do not keep the commandment to
believe on Jesus,
without spot and blameless.
They instead turn to the law for righteousness and in doing so reject Christ's sacrifice. Remember that
the law is not of faith, Gal 3:12.
And again for context, consider 2Pet 3:17
You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;
Here we see confirmation with scripture such as 1Tim 6:12-14 which I quoted earlier. Christians are
fighting the good fight of faith, obeying the commandment to believe on Jesus,
without spot and blameless. In this good fight of faith we
beware lest we also fall from our own steadfastness in believing on Jesus.
Thus we see that it is the legalists who are the
"untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction"
heretoeternity said:
Apostle John in 1st John said "those who say they know Him and keep NOT His commandments are liars and the truth is not in them...
And what are Christ's commandments?
1John 3:22-23.
we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.
And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
Clearly it's the untaught/unstable legalists who have twisted scriptures to their own destruction, 2Pet 3:16.
They reject Christ and his two commandments, and turn instead to
dead works of self-righteousness through the law (Phil 3:9).
Remember that
the law is not of faith, Gal 3:12.