Eve was not yet deceived: she was not as yet caused to disobey God. She set the serpent straight by telling him that his statement wasn’t completely true. They could eat of all of the fruit in the garden EXCEPT ONE. Eve was okay with that commandment from God. Well why did she then eat of the forbidden fruit? WHAT CHANGED?
Did Eve’s "heart" change? No, she had the same heart she was created with.
Did Eve’s "mind" change? Yes it did.
Did Eve’s "will" change? Yes, of course it did.
Now for the "sixty-four thousand dollar question." WHAT changed Eve’s mind and will? Even though Eve had a deceitful heart, there was something else that CAUSED her to change or mind and her will regarding the forbidden fruit. The Apostle Paul plainly tells us what CAUSED Eve to change her mind and her will. Eve did not "freely" will to sin. Her choice to sin was not "free" from an external cause. IT WAS CAUSED, and when something is CAUSED to happen, it could not have been "free" to NOT HAPPEN.
Hogwash. Eve sinned. Simple. You make a simple thing hard. Who has the nothead anyhow? You just thought yourself into hell.
And why is this? We go to hell, suffer thirst and pain, for ANY length of time much less the ages of the ages...and God did it?
No, the whole story of Adam and Eve is that they sinned our sin, the sin which we would sin if we were them. And we are to suffer for it. The world suffers for it.
Shame and ashes. On your head. Repentance and tears. In your eyes. Retrition in your mouth and forgiveness your only hope.
Whatever you are spewing ain't the gospel. And Shurt should know this he who TOUTS repentance.
You know not repentance or fear or love. You are a lobot. Period.
"But I fear, lest by any means, AS the serpent BEGUILED
[Gk: ‘DECEIVED’] Eve through HIS subtlety [craftiness]…" (II Cor. 11:3).
Where do you see one single word here to the effect that Eve deceived HERSELF, or caused HERSELF to sin, or "freely" willed HERSELF into a different frame of mind WITHOUT A CAUSE StanJ?
Presupposition, and common sense, sir.
We PRESUPPOSE our will, and our soul and this uniquely compared to any other one.
This is because God breathed into you and no one else these things. You GLOSS them all into the Sovereign will of God, which you
1) have no CONTROL over
2) have no inkling of, whether to know the MECHANISM of, the DYNAMICS of, the POWER(s) of, or the ELEMENTS and VARIABLES of
Sovereign Will is by definition wholly abstract, and the only thing the Bible does is AFFIRM it. So then affirm it. This does not NEGATE individual will.
You have this EITHER/OR thing going on, which isn't true. It is not EITHER God's will or man's will. It is BOTH man's will and God's will.
nothead,
[SIZE=14pt]Haha how can YOU not see this? Who makes Jesus the Way??? Hmmmm….what does the Word say:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Acts 2:36-[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that GOD HATH MADE the same JESUS, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Stop trying to put me into a category nothead. Sects our works of the flesh.[/SIZE]
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So what? I am not disputing this. I am unitarian, pentecostally so.
[SIZE=14pt]This is in reference to you thinking it is JUST YOUR FAITH that you count on…this scripture is saying that the FAITH OF CHRIST IS HOW YOU HAVE FAITH IN CHRIST. Count on the FAITH OF CHRIST nothead. Again:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]For it has been granted to you on BEHALF OF CHRIST[Christ not us] not only TO BELIEVE IN HIM[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt], but also to suffer for him, (Philip 1:29).[/SIZE]
It was Christ's faith that justifies you? Huh? He is he. You are you. God made you not him. God made him not you. Gooberated. Thank you for your goober. It does no man any good whatsoever.
[SIZE=14pt]Rom 7:20 But if what I would not, that I do[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt], it is no more I that do it[/SIZE], but sin which dwelleth in me.
[SIZE=14pt]God gave us to sin. No one chooses good. Only God. God chooses. We are to give an account to God. Pray, ponder and seek. It takes time. A LOT OF TIME to see Gods truth:[/SIZE]
He is telling you to no longer identify with your flesh nature, since the Grace of God gives you a way out. No more no less. You have this intellectual
obsession with being a lobot who HAS no intellect. You are not you. You a cog in the machine. No SELF consciousness. No SELF awareness. No sense of PERSONAL responsibility. No self whatsoever.
Hey I want revelation, it won't be me revelating. This is pure pantheism. All things are one. God.
You are among Hindus and gnostics of the worst kind. You are evil this way comes.
[SIZE=14pt]Psalms 90:12[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]
- So teach [us] to number our days, that we may apply [our] hearts unto wisdom.[/SIZE]
Hebrews 4:12-For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart
Yeah, you heart pantheistic. Nuevo heepy. Smoke de weed and be happy, along with munchies attendant.
[SIZE=14pt]Then how can we be responsible? You are saying we are responsible. We are not. God knew all along what we would do. It would not be justice if God would deem us responsible. So God says we are to GIVE AN ACCOUNT of our lives. Why?:[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]Psa 139:16 Thine eyes did see mine unformed substance;[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]And in thy book they were all written, Even the days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was none of them (GOD KNOWS AND DOES DO EVERYTHING)[/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt].[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Do you believe scripture?:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Isaiah 45:7-[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Lord[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] do all these things.[/SIZE]
I believe scripture. I believe both sovereign will and human will. I believe my human will is not your human will. And I believe the personal aspect of it puts me into pain or spiritual (ecstatical) pleasure.
I have known of the Joy Inexpressible. I know that I can deny this same drawing of the Holy Spirit indwelling. I can even deny it came from God.
All to my own detriment. Hope springs eternal, and this eternal hope is for the same Joy in Heaven, amen.
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There is only one nature in men: [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]Psalms 51:5http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Psalms-51-5/[/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt] - Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in SIN did my mother conceive me.[/SIZE]
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Yes sent. But God none the less. Read that verse again. Pray, ponder and seek. [/SIZE]
Compared to God there is nothing good in men, but to say we are only carnal is also narrow minded, sir. Don't be narrow. Expand your mind.
Take LSD. No, I mean allow for more options.
It is humbling. I still hold to the covenant of God. Did you get that-the covenant of GOD…not us. You still think you are the captain of the ship. It’s up to you right?
There you go again with either/or. I don't THINK the way you think I think. YOU are narrow and focused on this EITHER God OR me being a CAPTAIN of our destiny.
It isn't that way. The Bible says three things about it. 1) You are responsible for your own sin. Jesus' own brother in blood said this.
[SIZE=.75em]12 [/SIZE]Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
[SIZE=.75em]13 [/SIZE]Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
[SIZE=.75em]14 [/SIZE]But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
2) God's will is determinate. Your own verses prove
3) We cannot know how it works together. We are not the FORMER of clay but the FORMED of clay.
So then you negate number (1) above. You are SIN personified. You sir need to repent and it means YOU not God.
[SIZE=14pt]You name all these different type of wills. No matter what you are calling it, you are declaring a Free Will away from Gods Will. The things we do: call out to God, choose to do the right things, love our enemies, all these things are imputed in us by God. God knows the plans for us. Because of this, we call to him:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Jeremiah 29:11-13-For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope. THEN (see that! Cause and Effect) you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you. You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart. [/SIZE]
No, I have received the Baptism of Spirit and know internally there is ideal will as opposed to end-game UNATTAINABLE BY DEFINITION will.
The Holy Spirit is said to be indwelt all believers IN FULLNESS, as prayer and hope. This is because it is the IDEAL will of YHWH Elohim, not his sovereign will.
Sovereign will is only affirmed no more no less. It cannot be I repeat, TAPPED INTO. No matter WHAT gnosis you speak of, this is not a Mystery or a Conundrum. Like I said over and over for YOU who are missing out on YOURSELF, that is your OWN self, whom God made like no one else...
...mind your own business. Do good, love God most of all, and get life.
Get life. WILL to get life. WILL with your UTTERMOST to get life. Life is the love of YHWH Elohim. And then give back this life which was given you.
See, the unbeliever cannot HEP himself by your paradigm. HEP momma HEP youself HEP momma HEP youself.
You have no gospel for him, since you haven't the gospel in your heart. You think the Word you spew is all, when you spew God's part. Not yours and not man's.
Man's side is his own will. Your side is your own will. The verses which ADDRESS your will do so for a reason. USE IT.
Can you see? The covenant of God to us is because of GOD! Pray, ponder and seek. I once thought like you did. I struggled with it alongggg timeeee. But God gave me eyes to see and ears to hear.
Your revelation is no revelation at all for a pentecostal. He has received the supernatural Joy of the Spirit. I don't think you have, it would seem by your words.
Let me tell you nothing you can drum up in your head compares to God's Joy.