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Netchaplain

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The reason why my postings often involve material which concerns the Law and "the old man" is because this is the forefront of our "wrestling" (Eph 2:6), where the Holy Spirit continually causes us not to do "the things that ye would" (Gal 5:17). It is here where the Spirit restrains the sinful nature (old man) so the Father can constrain us to "will and to do of His good pleasure" (Phil 2:13).
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There are those who teach that the man in Romans Seven is not a child of God at all, and thereby lead people into the manifest error that a mere child of nature may “with the mind serve the law of God” (v 25), as “delighting in it” (v 22). But this is in spite of Paul’s own assurance that “the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be; so, then, they that are in the flesh cannot please God” (8:7, 8).

The mind of the man in Romans Seven is subject to the law of God, as the mind of the flesh or of one in the flesh cannot be. Thus the man passing through this experience, with a right will, and absolute powerlessness to accomplish it, is clearly converted and is a child of God. The need of the experience of the old man in the seventh of Romans is the need of learning practically to abide in the Lord Jesus at all times, to accept Him for life as well as for position.

Romans Seven concerns the work of, and freedom from, the law. That law reveals me as evil to my heart’s core. It makes me learn this experientially, by putting me under responsibility not to be the thing I am in the flesh. It occupies me with myself and with the evil—very profitably, surely, until I have learned the extent of it. I am taught by heart-breaking experience to “know that in me, that is in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing” (v 18). In the face of a right will, I cannot accomplish my desire. I may argue that it is not I that do the evil, it is “sin that dwelleth in me” (vs 17, 20), and still that is not deliverance. It only makes me cry the more, “Oh, wretched man that I am” (v 24)!

The Father never means me to be able, with the Pharisee (Luke 18:11), to thank Him for the goodness that I find in myself. Self-conscious humility is spoiled by the very consciousness. If I will be at it, He leaves me to find in this irreparable flesh, which cannot be mended, what I may break my heart over, but never alter. It is a quicksand which spoils all my building—a morass impractical to cultivation; and the Father uses this, in His sovereignty over evil, to wean me from self-confidence and self-complacency, and cast me over to dependence upon Him.

Peace through our own evidence—peace through our own work or effort or self-complacency—cannot be identified with “peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Rom 5:1). The Father cannot trust us with such perilous self-contemplation. The growth which He intends for His people is confounded with a self-consciousness which is the primary hindrance to that growth. Our Father has made the Lord Jesus to be our sanctification as much as our righteousness (1 Cor 1:30), and the way of it is, occupation with the Lord Jesus, and with Him alone. Only as “we all with open face” are “beholding . . . the glory of the Lord,” do we become “changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord” (2 Cor 3:18).

Sanctification, or growth, is no more acquired by self-cultivation than righteousness is. It is “faith that worketh by love” (Gal 5:6); it is faith that does all this, because it is the Holy Spirit who carries it out as the Lord Jesus is our only Object for that faith. The believer taken up with the beauty of the Lord Jesus is the one who is learning the secret of it all—“For me to live is Christ” (Phil 1:21).

- FW Grant
 
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Nice post, still christians do not understand, that the law was never given to us, and yes it is Christ, He is the reason we live, not for ourselves but to His Glory.

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mjrhealth said:
Nice post, still christians do not understand, that the law was never given to us, and yes it is Christ, He is the reason we live, not for ourselves but to His Glory.

In all His Love
Amen and thanks!
 

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Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
 

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The idea is that the believer's life is beyond that which is moral. Morality is the behavior of the natural man, but godliness is the behavior of Christ in the spiritual man. God does not desire to limit the believer to that which restricts its ways in just relating mankind to mankind (moral--love others according to how you love yourself). The Law (morality) was a sample ("schoolmaster"--Gal 3:24, 25) of grace (beyond morality--godliness) and now it is "love one another as I have loved you," which is not limited to "as you love yourself."

The believer cannot love unconditionally or be righteous, holy, etc. in the way the Father requires; nor does He expect this of the believer, but the commands of this to us is in the light of Christ Himself working it all through the believer and if the fact that it's all vicarious does not satisfy, one can only be bereft with much disappointment.

God knew Israel would reject what He, through the Law, would lead them to (Christ), "but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles" (Acts 13:46). God also knew He would bring them back, not to union with Him, this they still have, but fellowship with Him.
 

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NetChaplain said:
The idea is that the believer's life is beyond that which is moral. Morality is the behavior of the natural man, but godliness is the behavior of Christ in the spiritual man. God does not desire to limit the believer to that which restricts its ways in just relating mankind to mankind (moral--love others according to how you love yourself). The Law (morality) was a sample ("schoolmaster"--Gal 3:24, 25) of grace (beyond morality--godliness) and now it is "love one another as I have loved you," which is not limited to "as you love yourself."

The believer cannot love unconditionally or be righteous, holy, etc. in the way the Father requires; nor does He expect this of the believer, but the commands of this to us is in the light of Christ Himself working it all through the believer and if the fact that it's all vicarious does not satisfy, one can only be bereft with much disappointment.

God knew Israel would reject what He, through the Law, would lead them to (Christ), "but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles" (Acts 13:46). God also knew He would bring them back, not to union with Him, this they still have, but fellowship with Him.

We are called to be the righteousness of God on earth...in all holiness. We do this only as we abide in Christ who is our holiness!
 

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Episkopos said:
We are called to be the righteousness of God on earth...in all holiness. We do this only as we abide in Christ who is our holiness!
Hi Episkopos - I believe we're semantically in agreement. To me, abiding means there is evidence of Christ in your life and it's more like He's holding on to us, not us holding on to Him.
 

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Abiding in Christ is inquiring of His will and yielding to it. It is also yielding to His work in your heart and receiving (not rejecting) His ways and His grace working in you. We received Christ and we keep receiving Christ (making ourselves available to Him).

Rom_6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom_6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom_6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

Just like in a marriage, we have a part to play and God will not "play it" for us. We can turn away from Him, reject Him or turn towards Him, opening our heart to His advances of fellowship and love. He has given us many types and shadows both in the OT and everyday life for heavenly realities.
 

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NetChaplain said:
Hi Episkopos - I believe we're semantically in agreement. To me, abiding means there is evidence of Christ in your life and it's more like He's holding on to us, not us holding on to Him.

But we do perfect works in Him. In Him there is no sin at all.
 

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Axehead said:
Abiding in Christ is inquiring of His will and yielding to it. It is also yielding to His work in your heart and receiving (not rejecting) His ways and His grace working in you. We received Christ and we keep receiving Christ (making ourselves available to Him).
Hi Ax - I like seeing that now it is His life that is our life (Col 4:4).
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But we do perfect works in Him. In Him there is no sin at all.
Close but it's more like He does the perfect works in us and by us, because our works, even at best, are imperfect, due to still being part of the "old man." Possessing it unavoidably makes one a part of it, but for the believer it is willful.
 

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Hi Ax - I like seeing that now it is His life that is our life (Col 4:4).
His life is our life if we choose to receive and abide in it daily. We must turn away from all that is not of Him and stay turned toward Him all day (listening ears, seeing eyes and a heart willing to obey).

Nothing passive about "Being still and know I am God".

There is nothing passive about the Christian walk.
 

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Axehead said:
His life is our life if we choose to receive and abide in it daily. We must turn away from all that is not of Him and stay turned toward Him all day (listening ears, seeing eyes and a heart willing to obey).

Nothing passive about "Being still and know I am God".

There is nothing passive about the Christian walk.
I agree and I believe that it's the Spirit continually causing us to choose Him (Gal 2:13) and the Father continually working in us to choose Him (Phil 2:13). The work and credit must always go to Him for "keeping us from falling" (Jude 1:24).
 

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NetChaplain said:
Hi Ax - I like seeing that now it is His life that is our life (Col 4:4).
Close but it's more like He does the perfect works in us and by us, because our works, even at best, are imperfect, due to still being part of the "old man." Possessing it unavoidably makes one a part of it, but for the believer it is willful.

Actually not so close! How can we be without spot or wrinkle if we still be sinful? The old man is crucified with Christ.
 

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NetChaplain said:
I agree and I believe that it's the Spirit continually causing us to choose Him (Gal 2:13) and the Father continually working in us to choose Him (Phil 2:13). The work and credit must always go to Him for "keeping us from falling" (Jude 1:24).
Of course all glory and honor go to Him for His power within us, which we must also yield to.

We still have freedom of choice and many turn back because the road is too "hard". That is why we are called to encourage each other and so much the more as we see the day approaching.

We must keep our hearts from wandering and seeking other lovers, and respond to the Lover of our souls rather than the titillating gods of the flesh.
 

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Episkopos said:
Actually not so close! How can we be without spot or wrinkle if we still be sinful? The old man is crucified with Christ.
Very applicable question. He will be presenting "us without spot or wrinkle" at His coming, which is the "first resurrection" and our bodies and soul will be as His--without sin.
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"many turn back because the road is too "hard". That is why we are called to encourage each other and so much the more as we see the day approaching.
Only those who were not regenerated turn back, proving "they were not (ever) of us, "for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us' (1 John 2:19).
 

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NetChaplain said:
Very applicable question. He will be presenting "us without spot or wrinkle" at His coming, which is the "first resurrection" and our bodies and soul will be as His--without sin.

Only those who were not regenerated turn back, proving "they were not (ever) of us, "for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us' (1 John 2:19).

We can walk that way any time we surrender fully to God. His desire is that we walk in Him today.
 

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We are without sin's guilt and dominion now, but then without sin itself (the old man). The hardest and greatest faith is that which must be maintained in what Christ did, always believing that the Father never condemns us but only chastises us in our mistakes. The Father accepts us, not because of our desire to be our best for Him, but always because we are in His Son.
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We can walk that way any time we surrender fully to God. His desire is that we walk in Him today.
Regardless of the walk, it's tainted with forgiven sin and thus it cannot be perfect.
 

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NetChaplain said:
Regardless of the walk, it's tainted with forgiven sin and thus it cannot be perfect.

But God has removed our former sin and our former conduct and crucified it with Christ. It has been removed as far as east is from west.
 

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NetChaplain said:
Very applicable question. He will be presenting "us without spot or wrinkle" at His coming, which is the "first resurrection" and our bodies and soul will be as His--without sin.

Only those who were not regenerated turn back, proving "they were not (ever) of us, "for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us' (1 John 2:19).
Why is the Church constantly warned to not turn back or harden their hearts?
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I agree and I believe that it's the Spirit continually causing us to choose Him (Gal 2:13) and the Father continually working in us to choose Him (Phil 2:13). The work and credit must always go to Him for "keeping us from falling" (Jude 1:24).
Not making us choose Him. But encouraging us to choose Him. We are to respond to His love, though some grow weary of the trials and tribulations and shrink back and grow bitter.

Some backslide and come back and some don't.

Salvation is not for those that shrink back but for those that endure to the end.

He is our provision for enduring.
 

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Axehead said:
Why is the Church constantly warned to not turn back or harden their hearts?
It's not believer's this refers to but unbelievers because believers do not draw back permanently. As you've indicated, some come back and some do not and I believe only the ones who do not return are those who never really had part and I also believe there are those who appear to be part of the faith outside, but there's no true regeneration within and it will "find them out" (Num 32:23).

"But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition" (Heb 10:39): "There is a drawing back which is not unto perdition; persons may be attended with much unbelief, may be very cold and indifferent to Gospel ordinances, may fall into great sins, and may greatly backslide, and yet be recovered, as David, Peter, and others.

"And there is a drawing back to perdition; when Christ is rejected as the alone Saviour; when He is not held to as the Head; when false doctrines and damnable heresies are given into; and when men draw back, and never return, nor are they, nor can they be returned, and their apostasy is total, and final: but true believers do not, and cannot draw back in this sense; because they are held fast in the arms, and with the cords of everlasting love, are chosen of God unto salvation, are given unto Christ, and secured in Him.

"They are redeemed and purchased by Him; they are united to Him, and built upon Him; they are interested in His prayers and preparations, and are His jewels, and His portion; they are regenerated, sanctified, inhabited, and sealed by the Spirit of God, and have the promises and power of God, on their side." Gill
Axehead said:
Not making us choose Him. But encouraging us to choose Him.
Regardless how we describe the Spirit's guidance (make, cause, encourage) it's because of Him we will abide. That's why I'm OSAS (not to start another subject) and am convinced that once you're in the Father's hand, "no man is able to pluck" you from His hand and "no man" includes self.
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But God has removed our former sin and our former conduct and crucified it with Christ. It has been removed as far as east is from west.
This is in reference to our "transgressions" (Psa 103:12 - pesha` Strongs H6588--), which is what our sin nature produces.