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Discussion in 'Non-Christian General Discussion' started by Brent W, Jul 12, 2017.

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    Reading is not the method to make Jesus first in all things.
     
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    Why did you state this to me?
     
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    Your question is not legitimate.
    Sin is not accredited to God.
    Sin is accredited to mankind.
     
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    Then why is it written in your bible that Jesus was made sin?
     
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    FOR this reason.


    You were told...about a "MAN" READING...John's First Epistle says a lot about the believer's assurance; great to read; 5 chapters. Also: Romans 8; excellent reading.

    You replied....about "a mans strength".
    But not strong enough to make Jesus first in all things?
    Is that correct?

    Two different things.
     
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    Please answer my question. I have no need of your theology.
     
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    It "hangs on" Comprehension.
    Creation is one thing.
    Making is another thing.
    Jesus was not "created".
    Jesus' was "made" to Appear in the likeness as a human man, in a BODY, God Prepared, for a mans eyes to SEE, expressly for the stubbornness of human men, who fail to believe BY Hearing, until they can SEE something.
    JESUS being "made" SIN...was Jesus who was WITHOUT SIN...taking upon "HIS prepared Body", the sins of the World...AND?
    Allowed the World to KILL the sins OF the World.
     
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    Already answered.
    One poster was speaking of reading.
    You posed a question of Strength, which has nothing to do with reading.
     
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    That is your unproven opinion.
    There is a difference between it and a proven truth.
     
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    LOL...
    The plain text reveals the truth.
    Poster suggests READING...
    You ask is that (READING) giving STRENGTH...

    No. Reading does not give one strength.
    Lifting weights gives a man physical muscular strength.
    God gives men Spiritual strength.
     
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    First off you did not understand my question to the other man
    concerning how strong he was to what degree.
    But for the sake of truth I will reply to your level of wisdom:

    Anytime I read the word of Jesus I obtain the strength of it.
    Do you?

    A. Yes
    B. No
     
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    You question to the other poster ...
    WAS...Reading being "NOT STRONG ENOUGH"...(for him).

    You preface your questions as being legitimate...

    The poster himself did not say or imply, anything negative about reading the word of God....
    You introduced the negative..."not being strong enough"...for him.

    Now you respond reading the word IS strong enough for you....

    Nothing Legitimate about beginning with a false narrative.


    Do you? [/QUOTE]

    My Belief IS...God Himself is Supreme Power.
    He Offers me Gifts and Blessings By, Through, AND WITH His Power extended to me.
     
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    I have no more time for you on this subject.
     
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    Actually a good question which also occurred to King David a thousand years before Jesus was born in Bethlehem:

    What has God given us? What has He given me?

    "But who am I, and what is my people, that we should be able to offer so willingly after this sort? for all things come of thee, and of thine own have we given thee." I Chron 29:14

    We are stewards until and if we inherit. What are any of us giving to Him? Are any of us holding back from Him that which belongs to Him because we have decided what we have decided?

    Consider also what Jesus said here:

    "Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
    And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
    And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
    Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
    But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
    But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
    And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
    When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?" Matt 21:33-40
     
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    Amen!
     
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    When a man so does, if he has received the Holy Spirit, he is then quenching the Holy Spirit of God, which Apostle Paul warns against:

    "Quench not the Spirit." I Thess 5:19
     
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    I do not believe this you have stated is the truth
    why do you believe it is the truth? And if you say because it is in the bible
    or because all that is in the bible is inspired by God
    I will just ask you why do you believe it is the truth?
     
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    Your question is a bit unclear to me. However, what I do believe is that the dominion of us is ours until we given it back to the One who gave it to us, God! When we start going our own way again then we have taken back the reins to ourselves again and without Him we can do nothing, nothing good that is.

    "O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem. 10:23

    What we read in the Bible is the very flesh of Jesus, but to have Life it must be quickened in us by the Holy Spirit. The flesh without the Spirit is dead indeed as I believe it. People today routinely quench the Holy Spirit and when they do so they have walked back into death.

    "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

    "I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
    The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
    Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
    Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
    For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
    He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him." John 6:51-56
     
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    Here I will make it clearer for you.

    Why do you believe that anyone or anything can quench the Spirit of the living God most High?
     
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    How? How did those in the OT limit God?

    "Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel." Psalm 78:41


    Our dominion over ourselves has, I believe, never been removed. We are supposed to be led by the Holy Spirit, but consider what happens in most church meetings today. [I have found exceptions where they are trying to let God lead.] They have in place rules where no one in the congregation can speak during the service unless it is arranged before or it is during a testimony service opened by the ones in charge on the platform.

    Strangers visiting the service are not allowed to speak except by invitation. No one is allowed to teach or preach who is not approve in advance by the men in charge. Where is the leading of the Holy Spirit in that when I arrive having a message from God in my heart from the Holy Spirit to present, but I have not been approved. Learn to quench the Spirit until some man or men has reviewed who you are and what you are going to say... as if God does not know.

    Consider this verse for one:

    "Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares." Heb 13:2
     
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