genesis question...

[Peacebewithyou]

(kriss;29775)
Yeah your way so much better God made Adam and Eve commit incest the firt sin he lied when he said go repleshish the earth cause Im going lock you up in a garden he marked Cain for the fun of it yeah you guys got great ideas
Adam & Eve didn't commit incest.. but regardless, If incest were considered sinful prior to the law given to Moses, WHY would God bless the marriage of Abraham & his half sister Sarah? WHY would he make the entire nation of Israel, His chosen people, from this sinful union? Obviously God didn't have a problem with it. 6And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. 7And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

 

[crooner]

there was no law prior to Ex 20 was there??? Except do not eat of the tree

 

[Unorthodox Christian]

Wow saying there was a Pre-Adamic Race is very dangerous, and the typical response will be, you rather go against what the bible says and go with what men say. I know many people THAT HAVE NEVER even gone to church or sanctuary, LET ALONE have fellowship with other Christians, yet they see the Serpent Seed, the 2nd Resurrection(NOT RAPTURE), and no eternal hell. Yet despite not being with other christians, or elders, THEY understand that Adam and Eve were the First People. Would God really be so Sublime to those that seek his face that he would create another Race of People that would be unaware to Us? Then you say God did not allow Incest, Abraham Marrying Sarah(His half sister) may I add, was INCEST! God's ways and thoughts are greater than ours, when you belittle God it shows how truly you revere his name. There is no Pre-Adamic Race

 

[Christina]

Then with that reasoning you would have to say murder wasnt yet a sin either as we had not yet been given the law so why was Cain wrong and punished????And by the time we get to Abraham sin had already been introduced into the World so all he had to do was follow the Jewish laws to be forgiven for his sin it has nothing to do with God arranging things so the world would be based on sin. So your theroy doesnt work

 

[Christina]

(Unorthodox Christian;29797)
Wow saying there was a Pre-Adamic Race is very dangerous, and the typical response will be, you rather go against what the bible says and go with what men say. I know many people THAT HAVE NEVER even gone to church or sanctuary, LET ALONE have fellowship with other Christians, yet they see the Serpent Seed, the 2nd Resurrection(NOT RAPTURE), and no eternal hell. Yet despite not being with other christians, or elders, THEY understand that Adam and Eve were the First People. Would God really be so Sublime to those that seek his face that he would create another Race of People that would be unaware to Us? Then you say God did not allow Incest, Abraham Marrying Sarah(His half sister) may I add, was INCEST! God's ways and thoughts are greater than ours, when you belittle God it shows how truly you revere his name. There is no Pre-Adamic Race
unorthodox you are misunderstanding what is being said completley you are adding and reading in things not being said

 

[Peacebewithyou]

(kriss;29803)
Then with that reasoning you would have to say murder wasnt yet a sin either as we had not yet been given the law so why was Cain wrong and punished????And by the time we get to Abraham sin had already been introduced into the World so all he had to do was follow the Jewish laws to be forgiven for his sin it has nothing to do with God arranging things so the world would be based on sin. So your theroy doesnt work
Obviously God didn't consider incest a sin - but He did consider murder a sin.Who are we to argue with God?Just like it WAS a sin to eat shellfish, (10And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you) .... but now it isn't. God can change his mind about what's a sin and what isn't. WHO are we to question?Obviously it wasn't a sin for brothers & sisters to marry - and then it was. Just as it wasn't a sin for Adam & Eve to eat shellfish... and then it was (the Jews) ... and now it isn't. Some "laws" are written on our hearts.. like do not murder. Even very primitive people who know nothing of the true God know that murder is wrong.

 

[Christina]

You are calling God a wishy washy liar He says he is the same yesterday today and tomarrow He says first was the word you are the one following mens guess and denying the word says what it says God is the same if incest just like murder is a sinthen it was a sin then also you have no scripture just words from men.Jhn 4:32 But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of.meat is the deeper teachings of Gods word

 

[Unorthodox Christian]

(kriss;29815)
You are calling God a wishy washy liar He says he is the same yesterday today and tomarrow He says first was the word you are the one following mens guess and denying the word says what it says God is the same if incest just like murder is a sinthen it was a sin then also you have no scripture just words from men.Jhn 4:32 But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of.meat is the deeper teachings of Gods word
Obviously and apparently most of the people on here no longer feed of milk, except for the new comers in search of God. But you have Meat alright, but this one is rotten meat sister, I'm sorry but there is not pre-Adamic race.

 

[Christina]

So then answer the questions I have posedwho did cain marry why did God tell the sixthday creation to be fruitful and mutiply and subdue the earththen lock Adam in a garden?Why did God change why is Incest ok but not murderWho did Cain think would kill himWhy did God have to Put a mark on him so he would be regonized Who did he build a city forWhere did the races come frombefore you call me a liar you better have some answers if God has foretold us all things then you should know Ill be waiting for your scripture not your opinions

 

[Unorthodox Christian]

1. His Sister, the Bible says before Seth there were Children sons and Daughters before Him, doesn't give a clear account when.2. He Made them(Prepared them), and when he was done, he FORMED(FRAMED, TOOK WHAT HE MADE AND SHAPED IT), Male and Female(Adam). Planted the seeds, and Watered it down and caused the Increase.3. God Locked Adam in the Garden of Eden, cause if you take alook at what God meant about the Garden it was Spiritual.4. Just because the Law was not made then all of a sudden things were ok? Who said Murder Was Ok? Did not the Serpent Cause Murder in the Garden of Eden after committing what he did with Eve, thus Murdering Eve spiritually and Physically? 5.Cain was afraid his siblings would kill him(NOT AN ORTHODOX TEACHING)6.To distinguish him from the Rest, telling those that come into contact with him that he should not be killed.oh sister......smh

 

[Christina]

So all you have is guess and speculation and opinions no scripture got it You think God a condradictor and a liar he changed when he said he wouldnt

 

[Christina]

this is the verse were discussing no your asumptions about shellfishGen 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Adam not mentioned, and when he is he is locked in a garden not out in the worlduntil after the fall

 

[Peacebewithyou]

In all seriousness, if it were your way, who did Abel marry? who did Seth marry? If God wanted a "special" group of people (from Adam) - how could that lineage have continued if they married those "others?"

 

[Christina]

the line still continues even if Adams sons marries other people how does your husbands line continue if he marry you from another family

 

[Jordan]

(Agape;29748)
I agree! I have never seen so much disrespect and mishandling of God's precious Word in all my years like I see going on in Christiandom today. Too many Christians are not studying the Word according to 2 Timothy 2:15 and therefore misinterpret and misunderstand the Scriptures. I have to wonder if Christians who give their personal and bias opinions of God and His Word care enough to want to know what God truly communicates about Himself, and His Son, Jesus Christ via His Word?!For example, God says He formed, made, and created Adam and Eve. But there are Christians who say there were other human beings that God created because it is not possible that all the different races are descendants of only one man, Adam. God must have left something out or made a big mistake or something because I cannot figure it out or I do not understand. So then they begin to write their own bible and tell everyone else who believes exactly what God says they are wrong. And some even get real nasty if you don't "agree" with theory that is totally lacking in supportive evidence from Scripture.God is not a man that He should lie. and does not make any mistakes with His Word, which He has magnified above all His name. It's people who make the mistakes when it comes to God's Word...NOT God. God meands what He says and says what He means God SAYS HE formed, made and created Adam and Eve. God DOES NOT SAY He formed, made and created other groups of people before, during, or after Adam and Eve. This idea is not recorded anywhere in the Scriptures.All races are descendants of only one man, Adam. To the human, finite mind, this may seem impossilbe. Nevertheless, it is what the Word of God says. With men it may seem impossible, but with God all things are possible. If we trust God and stay within the perimeters of what God clearly teaches in His Word God will give us the understanding. However, there are Christians who do the contrary and go outside the perimeters of God's Word. They do not bother to do 2 Timothy 2:15 or Acts 17:11. Instead, they will add to, subtract from, rationalize, compromise and completely change the Truth of God's Word and make It say whatever they want it to say or whatever they "think" it should or should not say. No wonder there are Christians today who are spiritually blinded. It's just like what you said, Christianity has gone so anti, because the fact is like saying "Hey I don't want God to correct me, I rather correct men with men's tradition and pagan doctrines but not the Word. (still men)"The Word of God declares in the Book of Geneis that God "in the beginning" created male and female (Adam and Eve) in His image (Spirit)....period. God means what He says and says what He means...... Therefore ALL races are descendants of one man, Adam. The Word of God doesn’t always specify answers to questions we may have, such as, how can all races come from one man. Because people want to know what God has not specified in His Word, they start to speculate. This is not sin as long as we don’t turn our answers into dogma What we "think" is just that --- not revelation. However, God gave us good common sense and when we use it we can have answers but they must always line up with, and not contradict the Word of God. To say all races did not come from Adam contradicts what is written in Genesis 1 and 2 . . . and in Acts 17.Acts 17:26 --- And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth....OF [God made U]ONE BLOOD--LIFE [/U] which is in the blood (Lev. 17:11) for ALL NATIONS of men to live on ALL the face of the earth!:blessyou: --> Jag Agape
Why are you amening me, when we're not even in the right page? In fact you are far off, so is Unorthodox Christian, Peacebewithyou and much people who's trap in denominational teaching.There was a six day creation. There are many races. Technically all people who's trap can't answer Kriss's question. Nor can they answer this question which I'm going to say it again.If we are all from Adam & Eve, why are there black people, white people, yellow people, red people still living on Earth today?JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.

 

[His By Grace]

Well, you made it important (LOL) and besides, it is pretty interesting reading. I have many times read these passages and wondered the same thing. I think it's great that you didn't mind asking. After all, the Bible does say, "Ask and keep on asking!" I enjoyed reading what Kriss wrote because it gave me food for thought. I don't see how anyone could find this site boring. You just never know what you're gonna get! Keep the faith! We'll all know and will be known some day soon in the Heavenly realm!

 

[JIP]

(Agape;29756)
So How Can All Races Come From Adam, Only One Man!? How does one account for all this? To understand physical variations, we must have a knowledge of genes and chromosones and dominant and recessive characteristics. In the beginning of man, the variations the gene which determined the coloring of the skin carried both the dark and light characteristics. ...............eventually strains end up with darker darks and lighter lights than originally existed, all due to natural selection and dominant characteristics. Thus came about the different colors and different races of men that dwell upon the face of the earth today. It does not contradict any of God's Word and it does not contradict the science of genetics,:blessyou:Agape
AmenBe Blessed Always

 

[Christina]

Heres the bottom line to this threadchoice 1God created an earth full of all plants and animals and then created man commanded them to be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earththen he rested after he was done he realized there was no man to tend the soil (farmer)So puts Adam and Eve in it now what they had been doing while he was resting we aren't told but they were not following his command of being fruitful and multiplyingSo now he locks them up in the garden to learn farming (you can assume) Where they sin with the help of Satan, so now they are kicked out of the garden Now they have children Cain and Able then Cain kills ableAnd God punishes Cain by kicking him out of Eden Cain begs that this punishment is unbearable he is afraid some unknown persons will kill him of course there is only his family on earth. So who he is afraid of is a mysteryGod hears his cries and puts a mark on him so anyone seeing him will know not to kill himof course there is no one he could not know sense only his family is on earth.Next we hear Cain takes a wife Well sense no one else is on earth its has to be his sister we are never told aboutSo now we have Incest a sin so God started mankind on the sin of incest. There is no argument incest wasnot a sin first was the word the word says incest was a sin. Second God is the same yesterday today and tomorrowIf incest was not a sin yet then neither should murder have been and we know it was. The law had not been given to Moses yetbut if murder was still a sin so was incest God does not change.So the fact is God forced sin upon man by his very command of go forth and multiply and only putting to people on earth Suddenly Cain is building a city to name after his first born must have been pretty small sense only Cain his wife and his son lived thereWell to be fair I guess some of his other mysterious unmentioned siblings could have moved there.all sounds pretty confusing to me but hey that's what men teach the word says.

 

[Christina]

Choice 2 We say God created the earth full of plants and animals then created man male and female commanded them be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth (all the races were created)then he rested. God having a very organized plan for providing man a savior needed a man for this seed to come through a man to till the soil(symbolic for plant the seed of Christ) So he made a protected place a Garden and made Adam and Eve and put them in itAdam was a special man for he was not to mate with others nor subdue the earth he was was for the very reason to bring the seedof Christ into the World.Adam and Eve sin,with help of Satan so are now kicked out of the gardenNow they have children Cain and Able,Cain kills Able and God punishes Cain by kicking him out of Eden Cain begs that this punishment is unbearable he is afraid some of the sixth day people might kill him God hears his cries and puts a mark on him so anyone seeing him will know not to kill himNext we hear Cain goes to the land of Nod and takes a wife (from the sixth day people)Cain and his wife have a son and Cain builds a city for the people and names it after his son.other children of Adam married these sixth day people and there was no incest that the mankind was based onthese sixth day people were doing as God commanded them multiplying and replenishing the earthWe hear only little things of Cain after this because the Bible is not about him its about Christ and the people involved in his storyAll went along until the day Satan and his fallen angels came and started mating with the daughters of menthe whole earth became filled with sin and God brought the floodOnly Noahs line was pure had not been defiled by sin to save the seed line of ChristGod flooded the earth save for two of everything with the breath of life in itthat includes some of Cains descendants and at least two of every raceBut Noah and his family were the only ones left out of all Adam and Eves descendants that had a pure bloodline for the seed of ChristWhy did God save some sinners same reason he saves any of us. God did not send the flood to punish the sin he sent it to save the bloodline of Christit was the offspring of the fallen angels he was interested in killing not the average sinner.Now again why are we not told of these others on the Ark? The story is not about them its about ChristHow does this story change any ones faith ? How does it go against God or his word?Why would one rather believe God caused incest to be committed when its not said he did this??Are you not guilty of accusing God of breaking his own Word without any proof???Now you can belief what ever you like but none of your opinions nor men's Words will ever convince meGod was different yesterday then he is today or tomorrow I will never belief God created the seed of Christ myLord and Savior upon sin (incest) I will never accuse my God of causing his children to sinas God can not nor would never do so.So follow whatever doctrine suits you if its man its you that pays the price but don't ask me to see reason in yourdecisionOur way is not only biblical it is in the chacter of God answers all the question as God said he wouldand frankly has more biblical support then unmentioned accusation of incest.

 

[JIP]

Sounds like 2 good scripts for a movie.