Genesis Retranslated

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I'm sorry I had a very disturbing day and I'm sorry. I do my own studying and have no background in these things. I study Hebrew and whatnot on my own. and yes I am aware of that. I was just playing with the scripture and that's the one I posted by accident. I edited my original post and would like you to reread it. again I'm sorry

Jason, I want to encourage you in this endeavor. Don't be put off by the rock throwers. If they spent a little time exploring as you are, it would be more beneficial than all the translations in the world.

When folks tell you not to question something, question it.
 
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you tell me how I didn't even translate the first sentence right? maybe you should reread my post
Listen, there are quite a few knowledgeble layman on this forum. Maybe some have advanced degrees in theology? I don't believe those with masters, doctorates or even Clergy have the time to devote hours to sometimes fruitless conversations and debates like we do. I doubt if any of the members would tackle a project so immense as to translate even one book of the Bible.
We take this seriously. DON'T MESS WITH THE HOLY SCRIPTURES UNLESS YOU ARE QUALIFIED! We came down hard on you because the Bible is sacred and we are like soldiers standing guard to protect it. It is one thing to reference a Greek word or phrase, discuss and present an argument for the likelihood of a mistranslation. I did just that. I have researched a few crucial words where there appears to be discrepancy in translation - just a few words! I used that information to formulate a doctrine that goes against a traditional Church view. I exhausted myself to the limits of my intellegence, knowledge and discernment to write a book that includes two chapters about this doctrine. I'm just a layman though, not an expert. And so it is my view that Hell is not eternal ... ssshhh, don't want to open up that topic here.
A long list of Bible versions have been arduously and prayerfully translated by EXPERTS.
Example: "In 1975 the Texas-based evangelical scholar Arthur L. Farstad assembled a group of 130 biblical scholars, theologians, and clergy for the task of producing a modern English version of the King James Version. The New Testament was published in 1979, the Psalms a year later, and the complete New King James Version (NKJV) in 1983."
If this was your second language, and you were from another country, we would consider that and be more patient and gentle.
Remember rebuke is good for all of us when we need it. It is not evil to criticize someone. The Bible is filled with criticisms and rebuking of all sinners. Correction should be welcomed. We are all wrong at times. Pride prevents us from receiving correction, becausing we all want to be right. The humble person admits when they are wrong, is open to correction, especially when many people tell them the same thing. A fool ignores correction from seven wise men giving sound advice.
 
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Every Bible that I own, and I own quite a few, was translated from the best available sources by a committee of scholars, then reviewed for accuracy by another group which made sure that the translation was as well-done as possible. There will never be a "perfect" translation, as there are too many differences between the source languages and English: vocabulary, verb tenses, idioms, etc. However, we are truly blessed with the many English translations available.

I have grave doubts about any one person who claims to be a "retranslator" (whatever that means!). S/he undoubtedly has a specific purpose in mind, e.g., self-glorification, "hidden" meanings, etc. Additionally, when that person can't even post messages in correct English, I don't believe they are competent to translate Scripture at all.
 

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wow im on a forum just busting out real quick what i say and you judge my grammar but nothing esle. I thought Jesus said not to judge. and i dont want to be Grammarly correct to save time. And believe what yall want stay ignonart. you all are closed minded brainwashed by the deception man has placed in the scriptures.
1) You wrote the above, which includes "I thought Jesus said not to judge" yet that is exactly what you are doing.

2) "you all are closed minded brainwashed by the deception man has placed in the scriptures" is one of the most bizarre things I have read in a long time. And the grammar is still poor.
 

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Has anyone besides me noticed that "JasonTheServent" can't even spell his own tag correctly? I'm thinking more and more that he is just a troll.
 
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The fourth word of Genesis is not even in the bible. They took it out. Do your research and you'll start finding missing words in your bible. Et the fourth word was removed from your bible

אֵ֥ת

ʾet = By them

Explanation

OP's source that describes these particles as "unknown word(s)" is highly misleading. אֶת = ʾet is a Hebrew particle used to mark the definite direct object of a transitive verb; וְאֵ֥ת = wəʾet is the conjunction waw "and" (a.k.a. vav) followed by אֶת. Their usage in Genesis 1:1 is typical of the thousands of ocurrences found in the Hebrew Bible.



According to Brown Driver Briggs:



את with makk. את־; the mark of the accusative, prefixed as a rule only to nouns that are definite.



This describes the normal usage; there are exceptions to the "rule", especially in poetry where use of such grammatical particles tends to be reduced in comparison with prose. It might help to think of it on analogy to "of" (a preposition) in the phrase "kind of blue" (or "think of it", for that matter!). What does /of/ "mean" here? Well, really nothing. It simply is English's way of structuring a relationship between "kind" and "blue".



In Genesis 1:1, ʾet explicitly indicates that both "the heavens" and "the earth" are the direct objects of the verb "create", but it remains untranslatable. There is no further or mystical meaning associated with it.



In conclusion of how this word in context translate, from that I have derived it’s meaning here and it means. “By them”
 
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Has anyone besides me noticed that "JasonTheServent" can't even spell his own tag correctly? I'm thinking more and more that he is just a troll.
Jim are you ok or something cause has been critical of everything I post. And you constantly hate on me. I can care less if everything isn't spelled correctly. Obviously, you have some issues or something. Were you bullied as a child? Do you need someone to talk to to get to the bottom of why you're trying to harm me with your words?
 
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Listen, there are quite a few knowledgeble layman on this forum. Maybe some have advanced degrees in theology? I don't believe those with masters, doctorates or even Clergy have the time to devote hours to sometimes fruitless conversations and debates like we do. I doubt if any of the members would tackle a project so immense as to translate even one book of the Bible.
We take this seriously. DON'T MESS WITH THE HOLY SCRIPTURES UNLESS YOU ARE QUALIFIED! We came down hard on you because the Bible is sacred and we are like soldiers standing guard to protect it. It is one thing to reference a Greek word or phrase, discuss and present an argument for the likelihood of a mistranslation. I did just that. I have researched a few crucial words where there appears to be discrepancy in translation - just a few words! I used that information to formulate a doctrine that goes against a traditional Church view. I exhausted myself to the limits of my intellegence, knowledge and discernment to write a book that includes two chapters about this doctrine. I'm just a layman though, not an expert. And so it is my view that Hell is not eternal ... ssshhh, don't want to open up that topic here.
A long list of Bible versions have been arduously and prayerfully translated by EXPERTS.
Example: "In 1975 the Texas-based evangelical scholar Arthur L. Farstad assembled a group of 130 biblical scholars, theologians, and clergy for the task of producing a modern English version of the King James Version. The New Testament was published in 1979, the Psalms a year later, and the complete New King James Version (NKJV) in 1983."
If this was your second language, and you were from another country, we would consider that and be more patient and gentle.
Remember rebuke is good for all of us when we need it. It is not evil to criticize someone. The Bible is filled with criticisms and rebuking of all sinners. Correction should be welcomed. We are all wrong at times. Pride prevents us from receiving correction, becausing we all want to be right. The humble person admits when they are wrong, is open to correction, especially when many people tell them the same thing. A fool ignores correction from seven wise men giving sound advice.
look bro you obviously attacked me because of the truth i bring and yet you say you protect the scriptures but all your doing is protecting the lies and deception that I'm revealing. you have got to be mental to think I care if you approve of my works or anyone else for that matter. You remind me of those who went to stone Jesus for speaking the truth. And you don't think God is eternal. Bud you're messed up in the head and need help.
 
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1) You wrote the above, which includes "I thought Jesus said not to judge" yet that is exactly what you are doing.

2) "you all are closed minded brainwashed by the deception man has placed in the scriptures" is one of the most bizarre things I have read in a long time. And the grammar is still poor.
I don't know what your problem with me is dude. You are brainwashed into believing what your translation says. I bet you believe that the Holy Spirit is a he when the holy spirit is feminine. You got the devil for me 'cause I come with truth like Jesus did and yet you remind me of the Pharisees. You need Jesus bro.
 
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Jason, give it up. Why would anyone trust your silly retranslation?
I posted this to discuss my findings. I didn't ask you to trust me and to call my work silly is a great insult. You keep on believing what man tells you to believe but as for me, I shall seek the truth.
 
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Stop. You are obviously not qualified to translate the Holy Scriptures. You can't even get the first sentence right. And by the way, this concept of "breathing God's name" is not new. Rabbis and pastors have presented this before you were born. I am not validating it, just saying it's been out there.
Thousands of experts, Phds in their fields of theology, history, languages, hermeneutics, etc., have already produced some sixty English translations of the Bible that you can access online. The Biblegateway.com is one site. These scholars get together in groups to take on this extremely detailed and holy task that usually takes many years to complete. Spare yourself and the rest of us.
its people like you that give God a bad name.
 
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and who are you calling God? Father, Elohim, the lord, Elohin., YHWH or perhaps The Spirit
There are many Gods... you know what the lack of understanding and blind eyes yall have on this forum is crazy. All the people that attacked me and didn't discuss this with me are why people are turned off by God because people like yall misrepresent Him. And people like you makes God look like a douchebag. Fake Christians
 
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yall are so evil. All yall can do is talk about my grammar and make mean remarks with nothing to back them up. This has got to be the worse forum I have ever been a part of. Yall should shut this website down before someone looking for Jesus pops up in here and gets treated like this causing them to run away from their salvation. You all have dark hearts cause nothing good came from any of you. Just evil spewing from your fingertips as you type for the devil.
 
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Why would I trust your ability when you can't (or won't) write correct English?

im should be I'm
real quick should be real quickly
esle should be else
dont should be don't
Grammarly shouldn't be capitalized. You probably mean "gramatically".
yall should be y'all.
ignonarn should be ignorant
closed minded should be closed-minded (and should be followed by a comma)

You claim to be an expert on translation and can't even write grammatically correct English!
Oh wow. I never claimed to be an expert. I spell and punctuate correctly when I'm working on my projects. Yall so petty just like the devil
 

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yall are so evil. All yall can do is talk about my grammar and make mean remarks with nothing to back them up. This has got to be the worse forum I have ever been a part of. Yall should shut this website down before someone looking for Jesus pops up in here and gets treated like this causing them to run away from their salvation. You all have dark hearts cause nothing good came from any of you. Just evil spewing from your fingertips as you type for the devil.

Jason,

While I will continue you to encourage you in your study and exploration, I'll also ask you to tone it down. Ask yourself why you become so defensive. It says something about you, rather than focusing on your study. You are playing into your critics, who would also like to focus on you, rather than your study. So don't. And don't be discouraged. Learn how to respond appropriately. Instead of in kind, be kind.
 
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look bro you obviously attacked me because of the truth i bring and yet you say you protect the scriptures but all your doing is protecting the lies and deception that I'm revealing. you have got to be mental to think I care if you approve of my works or anyone else for that matter. You remind me of those who went to stone Jesus for speaking the truth. And you don't think God is eternal. Bud you're messed up in the head and need help.
You can't be 37 years old. FOREST Gump communicated better as a child.
So come on, the jig is up ... you're really pretending to be an adult in order to join the forum. Fess up and we will all understand. It is a typical prank for a child to disguise themselves as an adult to mingle and try to impress them with something that will get their attention - "I'm translating Genesis ... here your go!" Lol It's okay, we forgive you.
 
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You can't be 37 years old. FOREST Gump communicated better as a child.
So come on, the jig is up ... you're really pretending to be an adult in order to join the forum. Fess up and we will all understand. It is a typical prank for a child to disguise themselves as an adult to mingle and try to impress them with something that will get their attention - "I'm translating Genesis ... here your go!" Lol It's okay, we forgive you.
is that the best insult you got? you've been coming at me like a punk ass kid ever since i started posting. I do whatever the hell i want to. I'll translate your momma next. Now i'm acting like a child
 
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