I know, but can you?
Do you need the last word? Or are you really asking me a question?
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I know, but can you?
My point is that as long as you keep bringing the subject of homosexuality up it will continue on. It seems to be very important to you for some reason.Do you need the last word? Or are you really asking me a question?
My point is that as long as you keep bringing the subject of homosexuality up it will continue on. It seems to be very important to you for some reason.
You don't have to start them to defend homosexuality.Hmm...
So, how many threads have I started about homosexuality?
Read the forum.im not choosing sides here, but Ducky , will you kindly explain how he is defending homosexuality?
Read the forum.
It's documented quite well in the forum. If you really want to know then you will do the research yourself. There's plenty.But i am asking you now. Your statement was he is defending homosexuality, so back your statement up please.
You don't have to start them to defend homosexuality.
I thought your point was that I keep bringing up the topic: "My point is that as long as you keep bringing the subject of homosexuality up it will continue on."
The fact is, I have not started a thread about homosexuality on this board. I am simply providing my opinion, just like everyone else. You and others on this board clearly do not like my opinion and have responded by attacking my character and theology. The crazy part is, I have never claimed that homosexual acts are okay before God or that the church should change their theology or sermons about homosexual acts; all I have ever suggested is that we accept homosexuals on a basic human level - love the the sinner, not the sin. Yet, no matter how many times I restate my position, people like you protest.
You might help us to better understand your position by telling us if you are gay or not.
Thanks for clarifying. I think it does help to understand.I am not sure why that matters, but no, I am not gay - been married for 16 years.
I thought your point was that I keep bringing up the topic: "My point is that as long as you keep bringing the subject of homosexuality up it will continue on." The fact is, I have not started a thread about homosexuality on this board.
Thanks for clarifying. I think it does help to understand.
Not totally accurate Aspen.
From your OP in this thread that you started:
"Like homosexuals, obese people have came together and formed political lobbies to force clothing companies to carry plus sizes and airlines and hotels to provide special accommodations."
"After reading the many homosexual threads on Christian boards, I was surprised to find nothing on gluttony."
"Calling all Christians! Next time you see a homosexual and you want to tell him he is going to Hell; turn to your right and your left and tell the 5 obese people surrounding you that they are going to Hell, before approaching the homosexual. Chances are that, unlike the homosexual, they have never heard that message before."
It seems to me that you are one of those singling out homosexuality. I'm still wondering why. You can deny it all you like but it's too easy to see Aspen. I can't think of anyone here who defends lying, adultery, murder, etc. It is wrong to defend a sinful life, including homosexuality. VERY wrong. You made a point of comparing obesity and homosexuality. Being obese does not condemn anyone to Hell. Homosexuality does.Yes. The point of this thread is to bring attention to the fact that Christians often overlook sin that they are guilty of or could be tempted by, yet focus a great deal of energy and resources on sins they are not tempted by - like homosexuality.
My point is not to defend homosexuality, it is to bring it back into perspective - it is a sin, just like gluttony and should be treated as such, rather than singled out. I am not sure how many times I've had to repeat this message so far on this thread, but it seems to be at least 5 or 6.
It seems to me that you are one of those singling out homosexuality.
I'm still wondering why.
You can deny it all you like but it's too easy to see Aspen.
I can't think of anyone here who defends lying, adultery, murder, etc.
It is wrong to defend a sinful life, including homosexuality. VERY wrong.
You made a point of comparing obesity and homosexuality.
Being obese does not condemn anyone to Hell. Homosexuality does.
Ah, so Christians aren't singling out the sin of homosexuality; I am just crazy.
I appreciate your response. I am glad to be understood. I agree that we all have sins that we are going to struggle with our whole lives and I would add that some of those sins are not even at the conscious level until the HS makes us aware of them. Others are at the cognitive level until the HS brings them to the heart level. Most homosexuals have had to be honest about their sexuality in the face of tremendous resistance from family and friends - they have been quoted Bible verse after Bible verse from the instant they spoke up about being gay - they get it on a cognitive level. Entering a church seems like a step backwards to many gay people - they spent years coming out - being honest about their sexuality and now they are being told that they are unacceptable and must stuff it all away again? Would you like to roll back the clock to a time when you were miserable and depressed in order to make sure everyone around was comfortable? This is often how they feel.
As a church we need to provide them with love instead of information - a real problem I often see is that Christians believe the right information is love - false! That is like telling your kid that you are too busy loving them at work by providing food on the table, to spend time with them. Homosexuals already know why we reject them - they need to know how we love them.
Who here in this forum has singled out homosexuality besides you?
Biblical doctrine was made to guide us safely into God's Kingdom. Being guided by it is not worshiping it.Sorry, I am person-focused and I believe all Christians should be as well. Doctrine was made for people, not people for doctrine. If we were made for doctrine we would be called to worship it.
Hey Aspen...I hope you don't mind that I keep replying...if you get sick of the back and forth just let me know, but I am finding this conversation good. It's not changing my mind on what I believe, but it really is helping put myself in the shoes of those who are gay. I very much liked your point that so very many homosexual people who have 'come out' to their families have had the bible thrown at their heads. I know this happens, we're kidding ourselves if we think it doesn't. And you are right, it is hurtful and very much unhelpful.
But I do have to disagree with you on the 'love instead of information' thing. I believe it is important to give both....but in saying that I mean true information. Not the info that they may have received from those disapproving relatives. We must think of how Jesus would deal with a gay person. Do we think for a minute that he would have used scripture to beat those people down? Nope! He would have amazed us all I suspect. But as loving and caring as Jesus is to all sinners, He still tells them to turn from sin.
You see, we must remember one really huge fact....it's not about us. It's not about how we feel or what we think. When it comes down to it, it's all about Jesus...all about God....His rules, His thoughts. As much as we want equality for all people, no matter how much we love them and accept them, we cannot...must not, forget that God is the ultimate judge. He has said that certain behaviours and actions are sinful. Imagine with me....if you (or more accurately some woman) was visiting a friend over in Iraq, and she ventured out in a really skimpy outfit...which she thought was fine because her country found it fine, etc....well, she'd be in a world of hurt, totally unaware or unprepared because her friend had not told her the 'law of the land'. Well, this whole world is under the law of God, and it simply behooves us to make people, if we really care about them, aware that their actions have consequences. There is absolutely no need for us to do this in a harsh, disapproving way, however, and you are sadly right that many Christians just don't care enough to take care. They are so busy being 'religious' and pointing the finger that they forget the love and care Jesus has shown them, shown all of us. I really believe it is just a simple matter of passing that on...no matter the sin. It's what Jesus would want us to do.
Biblical doctrine was made to guide us safely into God's Kingdom. Being guided by it is not worshiping it.
1 Corinthians 6:9 (ESV)
[sup]9 [/sup]Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,