You've worded in a nutshell - thanks.
they also denied the resurrection of Jesus' body like Jws do.
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they also denied the resurrection of Jesus' body like Jws do.
Hi. In this thread I was only focusing on Cerinthus- the gnostic that encountered John the Apostle, and whom John wrote against.
Gnostics varied in beliefs. I believe there were 50+ sects of gnostics, and many did. I can't say for sure if all did. I dont think we know.
Gnostics generally do not believe that we are all gods in the traditional sense, but rather that we are part of the divine and have the potential to return to a higher state of spiritual knowledge and enlightenment through gnosis, or secret knowledge2.
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Hi Johann,Gnostics generally do not believe that we are all gods in the traditional sense, but rather that we are part of the divine and have the potential to return to a higher state of spiritual knowledge and enlightenment through gnosis, or secret knowledge2.
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We just dont know what Cerinthus believed about that. He may have. John did not address it.
Paul spoke of those with what they falsely called knowledge. We sure see that in the cults today.
I think your post was in reply to Jericho's question? @Jericho
Cerinthus was an early Gnostic teacher whose beliefs diverged significantly from mainstream Christianity. Here are some key aspects of his teachings:
Creation: Cerinthus taught that the physical world was created by a lesser divine being, not the Supreme God12.
Jesus and Christ: He believed that Jesus was a mere human, the biological son of Mary and Joseph. According to Cerinthus, the divine Christ descended upon Jesus at his baptism and left him before the crucifixion13.
Gnostic Elements: Cerinthus emphasized the need for gnosis (knowledge) of the Supreme God, which was a central theme in Gnostic thought4.
Jewish Christian Practices: He maintained some Jewish practices, such as circumcision and observing the Sabbath3.
Cerinthus’ teachings were considered heretical by early Church Fathers, and he was a contemporary and opponent of John the Evangelist1.
Here are a few more details about Cerinthus and his beliefs:
Dualistic Cosmology: Cerinthus’ teachings included a dualistic view of the cosmos, where the material world was seen as flawed or evil, created by a lesser deity (often referred to as the Demiurge in Gnostic thought). This contrasted with the higher, spiritual realm of the Supreme God.
Salvation through Knowledge:
He believed that salvation was achieved through acquiring secret knowledge (gnosis) about the divine realm and one’s own spiritual nature. This knowledge was thought to liberate the soul from the material world.
Opposition to Orthodox Christianity:
Cerinthus’ views were in direct opposition to the emerging orthodox Christian doctrine. Early Church Fathers, such as Irenaeus and Hippolytus, wrote against his teachings, considering them heretical.
Influence and Legacy: Despite being labeled a heretic, Cerinthus’ ideas influenced later Gnostic movements. His teachings highlight the diversity of early Christian thought and the various interpretations of Jesus’ nature and mission.
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Cerinthus was a Christian heretic whose errors, according to the theologian Irenaeus, led the apostle John to write his New Testament Gospel. Cerinthus was probably born a Jew in Egypt. Little is known of his life save that he was a teacher and founded a short-lived sect of Jewish Christians with
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Hope this is of help.
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Gnostics generally do not believe that we are all gods in the traditional sense, but rather that we are part of the divine and have the potential to return to a higher state of spiritual knowledge and enlightenment through gnosis, or secret knowledge2.
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There is a person I follow on social media that beleives this. At first, I thought he was just mixing New Age with Christianity as I didn't know anything about Gnosticism. But they've talked before about "gnosis" and divine wisdom. So, I'm fairly certain they're gnostic. I really didn't think those guys were around anymore as we don't hear much about gnosticism anymore.
Yes, there are still full blown gnostics as well as the cults with pieces of gnosticism. JWs are one example with quite a bit. Mormons another..
Just to add that when John said THEY WENT FROM US BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT OF US, he wasn't speaking about those that "were never really saved ", as some OSAS believers Iike to state...
John was speaking about gnostics.
Some are here to try to correct.
Some to learn.
Some to just argue and pass the time of day.
But you keep going.
Many read but do not post.
lol it's a train wreck! meanwhile this nutbag posts this on a diff thread --
HAHAHA upside down world! nutbag
Yes I agree. They were being battled then and still today.
JWs put a big emphasis on gnosis aka "accurate knowledge"- & so much of it is just made up and their teachings change constantly.
I keep hearing from them that they teach from the bible.
Correct.
The New World Translation.
With just a few "minor" changes.
Calvinists are always so proud to state that one of the ECFs believed in predestination.
Right.
Augustine....who was previously a gnostic and brought some of his ideas with him.
I've seen a good video on this on YouTube....
Here it is:
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