Gnosticism

[Wrangler]

Just told you again in plain English, if you disagree fine, but you said the same thing. Perhaps you might give some scriptural evidence as to what our purpose as Christ's disciples is Wrangler.

We literally just went through this and you agreed with it. See post #52. Logic dictates that if the purpose is X, then the purpose is not Y.

 

[Bob Estey]

I heard on the Moody Radio show today Gnosticism defined as "the belief that knowledge about God leads to salvation rather than faith in Christ."

Although gnosticism has become a bad word and I doubt anyone here would admit to being Gnostic, there is at least one member here who seems to fit that definition. So, I wanted to open this up for discussion.

In practice, it seems Gnosticism is a burden to the child of God, a works based Gospel. Thoughts?

We've all sinned and need Christ to save us. Still, he wants us to repent of our sin so he doesn't have to keep saving us. Maybe Knowledge about God isn't such a bad thing.

 

[Behold]

. Still, he wants us to repent of our sin so he doesn't have to keep saving us.

Salvation is always keeping us saved, or we would never make it to heaven, as you obviously can't save yourself to begin with, nor keep yourself saved, later.
Salvation is GOD's Eternal Gift of redemption, not related to your self effort to earn it or keep it.
You can no more keep yourself saved then you could pay for your sins to begin with....

 

[Robert Gwin]

We literally just went through this and you agreed with it. See post #52. Logic dictates that if the purpose is X, then the purpose is not Y.

Exactly, I am glad that we are in agreement on this somewhat minor point.

 

[Bob Estey]

Salvation is always keeping us saved, or we would never make it to heaven, as you obviously can't save yourself to begin with, nor keep yourself saved, later.
Salvation is GOD's Eternal Gift of redemption, not related to your self effort to earn it or keep it.
You can no more keep yourself saved then you could pay for your sins to begin with....

When we sin, we get ourselves into trouble. I think the Lord wants us to repent of our sin.

 

[Behold]

When we sin, we get ourselves into trouble. I think the Lord wants us to repent of our sin.

You are stuck on repeat with that nonsense.
God does not offer Salvation as a means for you to keep sinning so that you can keep talking about how you confess it.
Im not sure why can't understand this, but, you seem to want to not understand it.
That's your right, as its your freewill.

 

[Bob Estey]

You are stuck on repeat with that nonsense.
God does not offer Salvation as a means for you to keep sinning so that you can keep talking about how you confess it.
Im not sure why can't understand this, but, you seem to want to not understand it.
That's your right, as its your freewill.

It's not nonsense. Try it. Commit a sin and find out what happens.

 

[Behold]

It's not nonsense. Try it. Commit a sin and find out what happens.

I think you are missing my point, Bob Estey.

Christianity (Salvation) is given to us so that we can exist NOT as sinners, redeemed from all our sin, and eternally delivered from the power of sin, which is the law.
"The Law is the POWER OF SIN".
"sinning and confessing" is not Christianity, its broking discipleship that is based always on not understanding God's perspective of the born again, as a "new Creation in Christ"..... not under the "curse of the Law"... "but under Grace".

 

[Bob Estey]

I think you are missing my point, Bob Estey.

Christianity (Salvation) is given to us so that we can exist NOT as sinners, redeemed from all our sin, and eternally delivered from the power of sin, which is the law.
"The Law is the POWER OF SIN".
"sinning and confessing" is not Christianity, its broking discipleship that is based always on not understanding God's perspective of the born again, as a "new Creation in Christ"..... not under the "curse of the Law"... "but under Grace".

God forgives our sins, but he expects us to learn from our mistakes. If we don't, life can get quite painful.

 

[Behold]

God forgives our sins, but he expects us to learn from our mistakes. If we don't, life can get quite painful.

Yes.

The end result of reaping what you have sown, can be very tragic.

Every deed we commit is a seed planted in the spiritual realm that brings a harvest of destiny.
Plant carnal seeds and reap a future harvest of misery.

 

[Bob Estey]

Yes.

The end result of reaping what you have sown, can be very tragic.

Every deed we commit is a seed planted in the spiritual realm that brings a harvest of destiny.
Plant carnal seeds and reap a future harvest of misery.

So what were we arguing about?

 

[Behold]

So what were we arguing about?

We are not arguing.
You were explaining that you confess and repent, and i was, as usual, sharing that this is not how Christianity is designed by Salvation.

Literally, Jesus became your sin, and if you are born again, then you have become "the righteousness of God"... "In Christ".

This means you are confessing what Jesus has already taken care of for you, 2000 yrs ago.

Why does a person do this?
its because they have been wrongly and badly = taught that they have to be "re-forgiven", every time they do something that offends their conscience..
This teaching is not real Christianity....as you are not "re-forgiven", after all your sin has been dealt with, already, by the shed blood of Jesus.

In other words, you are confessing what has already been forgiven..

Let me show you a wonder..

John 3:36, says that God's Judgment, His WRATH is on the unbeliever, .. .this is the person who has never trusted in Christ and is not born again..

Romans 5:9, written to the born again says that the born again will never face ANY wrath........ZERO = Wrath......not after we die, and not in the Great Trib.

So, why is that? Is it because we are careful to try to confess sin, that we forgot about?
= NO.
Its because the BLOOD of JESUS....(read the verse) has removed ALL WRATH OF GOD from the Born again.

Its the BLOOD of Jesus that does this FOREVER......not confessing sin, or trying to be perfect.