God’s name….

[PS95]

Yes, she is. JWs believe that a person's sins are done away with by way of their physical deaths. That is how they interpret Romans 6:7 even though that verse is not even talking about physical death.

By the way, why did you quote something I said and attribute it to PS95 instead?


No, they are not. They deny His deity and they deny that their sins are taken away by His blood and say that instead their sins are taken away by their physical deaths. And, they also teach that people will get a second chance after being resurrected to be saved. They believe all kinds of falsehood. I'm concerned about you for not being able to discern this.


No, it is not. What religion are you part of?

Thanks. It's hard to believe that they teach that, so I get why people don't want to believe it. No fun being called a liar constantly by them. It is how it is. It's what they all do. People just understand the depths of this control.

I believe Runningman is Unitarian close to Matthias perhaps- R-man is a nice person though!

 

[Aunty Jane]

Just for clarity….I’ll respond to these points….

Because I have the Holy Spirit as my teacher instead of Satan, who is the teacher of false religions like yours.

You believe that you have the Holy Spirit, just like a multitude of others who do not share your beliefs are also convinced of this. You do realize that the devil masquerades as an “angel of light” and his ministers portray themselves as “ministers of righteousness”? (2 Cor 11:14-15) So how does one see through the deception? By the kind of people they produce…their “fruits”.

If you hold a majority view, then be aware that God’s people have never held a majority view with any other people. They were singled out because they did not have anything in common with people of the nations…..yet what is it that we see in that which masquerades as “Christianity” today?

Most of the beliefs held in Christendom are found in all false religions….they just exist under another name….under another denomination in a religion that has carved Jesus up into so many pieces that his dismembered body is all over the place. Does that sound like something God is responsible for?
How about you look in your own backyard before you throw garbage in ours?

You really do think you can fool me. Why do you hide what you really believe? Why?! I know what JWs believe and what she said is 100% true.

You know nothing about what we believe…you accept a twisted version of them and are as deceived as the one who is trying to justify their own defection here. You have to understand how important this is to them…because if they are wrong…..”crow” will be their last meal.

Do you know that the Jews had a lot of wrong beliefs? Jesus had to correct many false beliefs that they had.

Jesus himself said so, but we also know that Judaism was not in line with the teachings and writings of Moses and the prophets of old who had tried in vain to correct them and to keep the faith as taught in their scripture. They never did remain obedient for long…..but what did they do instead that Christendom has also imitated…..?
Matt 15:7-9…Jesus said of them….
“You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: “‘This people honors me with their lips,but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me,teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’” (ESV)
History repeats….once false doctrines infiltrate, (which they did very early in Christian history) truth goes out the back door as more and more falsehood floods in to take its place. How many of your own beliefs are from the Scriptures and not from false ideas grafted over ambiguous Bible verses to make them appear to be “Christian”? How many “holi-days” does Christendom observe that are nothing more than pagan adoptions with a new name? (Read 2 Cor 6:14-18)

No, He taught Christian beliefs. Judaism is a false religion and He had to correct the false beliefs of the Pharisees and scribes.

Jesus was Jewish…he lived and died as a Jew. He taught exclusively from Jewish Scripture. He never accepted the false teachings of the scribes and Pharisees….and worked to correct those errors In his disciples. All the first Christians were Jewish.

Yes, we need to humble ourselves, repent of our sins and put our trust in Him as our Lord and Savior rather than putting trust in ourselves and our own works and righteousness for salvation.

No one ever said you can earn your own salvation….by works of any sort…but at the same time, “faith without works is dead”…so unless you have works to back up your faith, you impress no one but your deluded self. What are the “works” that Jesus demonstrated himself ? These were the same works that his disciples carried on after his departure. (Matt 24:14; 28:19-20)

What do you mean "even from the grave"?

My reply was…..

Jesus, through his death, has redeemed the whole human race, but that doesn’t mean that all are saved. There is something we have to do to receive that gift.
Have you ever done a study on what redemption meant to a Jew? If you do you will understand how Christ’s sacrifice results in the saving of those who put faith in him…..even from the grave.

I noticed you dodged the question I posed to you there, and answered a question with an unrelated question…..we know what that means….do you know what redemption means?

Redemption requires a payment…an exact amount agreed upon before a loan is made. A man would borrow an amount of money with the guarantee that it would be paid back in full.
If a man had a debt that he could not pay, he was pressed into service to the debtor until the full amount was paid back. He became a slave to that debtor. But if he had a family to support, then one of his children could service the debt for him, and allow him to care for the rest of his family. Even if the man died, the debt remained for his children to repay.

In this scenario we see how God is our debtor to whom we owe our life….but our father Adam threw us into a debt so huge that neither he nor any of his now defective children could ever pay it back. One of the ways a debt could be cancelled however, was if a wealthy benefactor offered to pay the debt for them…

Since what Adam lost was perfect sinless life for all his children, instead of them serving eternity saddled with a debt they could never pay, God sent his own son to pay the debt for us….Christ’s perfect sinless life was needed, to cancel the debt. It was offered willingly...out of love. The cancellation applies to all who accept the terms of the agreement….because not all would repent and turn their lives around to meet those terms.
So I hope you can see where we stand on this issue of redemption…..there is no redemption without Christ’s sacrifice.

Romans 6:7 is not talking about physical death. Look at the context of the verse, starting with the beginning of Romans 6.

The person who sins “earns” death as his “wages,” or payment. Is there a living soul who has not sinned? The Bible tells us there are none. Once a person has died and has received his “wages,” so his sinful record no longer stands against him. He would never live again were it not for Jesus’ ransom sacrifice and God’s purpose to resurrect the dead.
Physical death has been the end for every living human on this earth up to the present day. Death is our reality and the only one who could end this death, was Jesus Christ.

When you go back to Eden, how long were humans meant to live on this earth? (Gen 3:22-24) Was there ever a mention of physical death except as a penalty for disobedience? From whom did we inherit death? (Rom 5:12) Who paid the debt?

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.

What does it mean for something or someone to “reign”? It means to rule over you.
As long as we are in sinful flesh, we will sin in thought or deed every day…..and as the Psalmist said….
“Lord, if you kept a record of our sins, who, O Lord, could ever survive?” (NLT)
So we have every reason to try our best not to let the wrong influences rule over us.…but there is no one does not sin.

g. Anyone who has spiritually died to sin has been set free from sin because when we become saved our sins have been forgiven by the blood of Christ and we are then set free from the wages of sin, which is the second death (eternal death - Rev 20:15). The wages of sin are contrasted with the gift of God, which is eternal life (Romans 6:23). The wages of sin is not physical death, it is eternal death (the second death) in the lake of fire. Believers do not have to pay the wages of sin because Jesus paid them for us. Unbelievers do. Believers instead receive the gift of eternal life.

Spiritually dying doesn’t make physically dying go away. We all end up in the same place when we die….which is why Jesus can call all of the dead from their graves…because they are all still in them. (John 5:28-29) Adamic death is not permanent…..its the one we inherited from Adam and had no choice about…..this is the death from which all can be rescued…..but the second death is the one we earn by our own choices…..and it is permanent.

 

[Aunty Jane]

People cannot pay for their own sins! Are you kidding me? Only the blood of Christ can do that! You are teaching demonic falsehood!

No one said they could pay for their own sins..…you see how your lens is so narrow that you cannot see the forest for the trees? The blood of Christ is what rescues all mankind from their graves….all have died in Adam so “all in Christ” will be made alive…..this is the resurrection of the righteous….but Jesus will also resurrect the unrighteous, so that they can make an informed choice about whether to serve the true God or not. The majority of the human race have not lived in a land, or under a religious situation where they were given that choice…..are you suggesting that it is not just for God to give them that opportunity? ”He does not desire any to be destroyed”…..

When Jesus comes as judge at “the end” we are expecting, then the “goats” will be dispatched to the lake of fire, (taken out of existence) leaving the faithful “few” to inherit the life God first intended for them. The earth will then be brought back into the beautiful paradise conditions it was meant to be, with all corrupted humans no longer living, and plenty of room left for the resurrected ones to learn about God and keep his ways. This earth was designed for us and we were designed for life on earth….what we lost, will all be restored... (Is 55:11)

You are saying that there is another way for sins to be paid for besides the blood of Christ! That is not taught anywhere in scripture!

No! that is not what we teach…unless you twist what we say. Some are very good at it.

Those who fail to repent and believe in this lifetime will be punished. That is what scripture teaches. People are appointed once to die and then there is judgment (Hebrews 9:27). There are no second chances after physical death.

Then a lot of people who lived and died, never hearing about God and the sacrifice of his son, will earn a fate that they had no choice about….how is that justice?

Your false religion is ruled by the devil. Any religion which teaches that sins can be paid for any other way than by the blood of Christ is a false religion. God is calling your out of your false religion that has blinded you.

What if it’s your religion that is ruled by the devil?….and God is actually calling you out of your false religion….?
What do you think “Babylon the great” is? And what does this command in Rev 18:4-5 mean to those who genuinely want to serve the true God and obey the teachings of his son?

 

[Aunty Jane]

John 17:6; 26

“I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word.“

“I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.” (ESV)

Jesus didn’t say…”I have manifested MY NAME” to the people his Father had given him….

He said “I made known YOUR NAME” to his disciples…..What other name does God have?
He is one God with one name…..(Deut 6:4) this is what Jesus taught….

You’re welcome…..

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

My reply was…..

I noticed you dodged the question I posed to you there, and answered a question with an unrelated question…..we know what that means….do you know what redemption means?

Redemption requires a payment…an exact amount agreed upon before a loan is made. A man would borrow an amount of money with the guarantee that it would be paid back in full.
If a man had a debt that he could not pay, he was pressed into service to the debtor until the full amount was paid back. He became a slave to that debtor. But if he had a family to support, then one of his children could service the debt for him, and allow him to care for the rest of his family. Even if the man died, the debt remained for his children to repay.

In this scenario we see how God is our debtor to whom we owe our life….but our father Adam threw us into a debt so huge that neither he nor any of his now defective children could ever pay it back. One of the ways a debt could be cancelled however, was if a wealthy benefactor offered to pay the debt for them…

Since what Adam lost was perfect sinless life for all his children, instead of them serving eternity saddled with a debt they could never pay, God sent his own son to pay the debt for us….Christ’s perfect sinless life was needed, to cancel the debt. It was offered willingly...out of love. The cancellation applies to all who accept the terms of the agreement….because not all would repent and turn their lives around to meet those terms.
So I hope you can see where we stand on this issue of redemption…..there is no redemption without Christ’s sacrifice.

The person who sins “earns” death as his “wages,” or payment. Is there a living soul who has not sinned? The Bible tells us there are none. Once a person has died and has received his “wages,” so his sinful record no longer stands against him. He would never live again were it not for Jesus’ ransom sacrifice and God’s purpose to resurrect the dead.

In Romans 6:23 the wages of sin is contrasted with the gift of God which is eternal life. Paul was contrasting eternal things there. So, the wages of sin is not physical death, it is eternal death, which is the second death (Revelation 20:14-15). That is what Jesus paid the price for so that we could avoid eternal death and instead receive the gift of God, which is eternal life.

Physical death has been the end for every living human on this earth up to the present day. Death is our reality and the only one who could end this death, was Jesus Christ.

We all physically die, so He did not pay the price for us to avoid physical death. He paid the price for us to avoid eternal death (the second death).

When you go back to Eden, how long were humans meant to live on this earth? (Gen 3:22-24) Was there ever a mention of physical death except as a penalty for disobedience? From whom did we inherit death? (Rom 5:12) Who paid the debt?

What does it mean for something or someone to “reign”? It means to rule over you.
As long as we are in sinful flesh, we will sin in thought or deed every day…..and as the Psalmist said….
“Lord, if you kept a record of our sins, who, O Lord, could ever survive?” (NLT)
So we have every reason to try our best not to let the wrong influences rule over us.…but there is no one does not sin.

Spiritually dying doesn’t make physically dying go away. We all end up in the same place when we die….which is why Jesus can call all of the dead from their graves…because they are all still in them. (John 5:28-29) Adamic death is not permanent…..its the one we inherited from Adam and had no choice about…..this is the death from which all can be rescued…..but the second death is the one we earn by our own choices…..and it is permanent.

You are denying what Romans 6:7 means. It has nothing to do with physical death. Tell me, do you think Romans 6:2 is talking about physical death?

Romans 6:2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Paul is not talking about physical death here, he is talking about dying to sin and no longer living in unrepentant, habitual sin like we did before we are born of the Spirit and before we "walk in newness of life" spiritually. Romans 6:7 should be understood the same way. It's talking about spiritually dying to sin and walking in newness of life spiritually and being set free from being slaves to sin like we were before being saved when we did not have the Holy Spirit helping us to overcome sin and our former sinful lifestyle where we sinned and were not repentant of it and we had no desire to live righteously.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No one said they could pay for their own sins..…you see how your lens is so narrow that you cannot see the forest for the trees? The blood of Christ is what rescues all mankind from their graves….all have died in Adam so “all in Christ” will be made alive…..this is the resurrection of the righteous….but Jesus will also resurrect the unrighteous, so that they can make an informed choice about whether to serve the true God or not.

This is not taught anywhere in scripture! Scripture says the unrighteous dead will be resurrected to "condemnation" (John 5:28-29) and "to shame and everlasting contempt" (Daniel 12:2). Nowhere does scripture say anyone gets a second chance at salvation after death! That is a doctrine of demons! Scripture says today is the day and now is the time of salvation! (2 Corinthians 6:2). You are blatantly contradiction scripture here.

Then a lot of people who lived and died, never hearing about God and the sacrifice of his son, will earn a fate that they had no choice about….how is that justice?

Read Romans 1 and 2. They will be judged by the standard Paul described there. Have you never read Romans 1:18-2:16?

What if it’s your religion that ruled by the devil?

It's not. Yours clearly is because it makes things up that are not taught anywhere in scripture. Your religion cannot even discern that neither Romans 6:7 nor Romans 6:23 are speaking about physical death and your religion teaches that people will get a second chance at salvation after being resurrected despite scripture never teaching such a thing. The devil is the father of lies and your religion consists of many lies. So, he is the founder of your religion.

….and God is actually calling you out of your false religion….
What do you think “Babylon the great” is? And what does this command in Rev 18:4-5 mean to those who genuinely want to serve the true God and obey the teachings of his son?

The great city Babylon is the spiritual opposite of the holy city New Jerusalem which is "the bride, the Lamb's wife" (Rev 21:9), which is "the mother of us all" (Galatians 4:26). The great city Babylon is the mother of all harlots. The mother of all things that oppose Christ and His church.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

This is why Jesus said he had come to “make God’s name known” to his Jewish disciples….It was a name they should never have treated with disrespect, leading to the situation where the Jews were making frivolous oaths in God’s name and failing to honor them…which is what ‘taking God’s name in vain’ actually means…..instead of punishing the culprits, they made a rule to stop saying it. An easier option for them, despite their excuse that it was too sacred to utter….who said?

And yet the name is still not truly known!

Jesus is the name linked inextricably to salvation, but this is not the name of God…..Jesus said he had come to make God’s name known, not his own.

Yes and His Father gave Jesus the name above every name- including Yahweh!

If you omit the word “other” it does not alter the meaning of the verse in any way.
Phil 2:5-11 is a passage of scripture that is supposedly given in support of Christendom’s favorite doctrine, but when correctly translated it says the opposite. I have exposed this truth many times.

Well I have never seen your supposed "exposes" but sorry- There is no hidden clause that Jesus' name is above every name but Yahweh!

Check your KJV on that score…..read Psalm 83:18. “Most High” means there is no name higher.

Wrong again!

18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.

2nd grade grammar shows that it is the person and not the name that is most high over the earth. Don't take my word for it. go see and primary school english teacher.

 

[ProDeo]

When Jesus came, he restored the divine name but after his death and the passing away of his apostles, the divine name again disappeared as Christianity was taken over by the “weeds” of Jesus’ parable….in a satanically inspired counterfeit “Christianity”.

I think you pushing this too far.

Names of God Bible (NOG) - Version Information - BibleGateway.com

www.biblegateway.com

The Names of God Bible (NOG) accurately translates the meaning of the original texts into clear, everyday language. While most translations obscure the names and titles of God by replacing them with just a few English words such as God, Lord, or LORD, The Names of God Bible restores the transliterations of ancient names—such as Yahweh, El Shadday, El Elyon, and Adonay—to help the reader better understand the rich meaning of God’s names that are found in the original Hebrew and Aramaic text.

Your chosen Psalm 83

O Elohim, do not remain silent.
Do not turn a deaf ear to me.
Do not keep quiet, O El.

12 They said, “Let’s take Elohim’s pasturelands for ourselves.”
13 O my Elohim, blow them away like tumbleweeds,[a]
like husks in the wind.

Let their faces blush with shame, O Yahweh,
so that they must look to you for help.
17 Let them be put to shame and terrified forever.
Let them die in disgrace
18 so that they must acknowledge you.
Your name is Yahweh.
You alone are Elyon of the whole earth.

Scripture authors used various names for God the Father, on top of my head :

. Elohim (Genesis 1)
. Yahweh (Genesis 2 and 3)
. Jesus Himself told us to pray : Our Father
. Paul - Abba, Father
. I AM WHO I AM.
. I am the First and the Last, notable from the OT - I, the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he. [Isa 41:4, 44:6, 48:12]

Of course I agree with -

Matt 6:9 Pray then like this: “Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name.

 

[ProDeo]

See that?

Seen it, thank you.

 

[ProDeo]

No one said they could pay for their own sins..…you see how your lens is so narrow that you cannot see the forest for the trees? The blood of Christ is what rescues all mankind from their graves….all have died in Adam so “all in Christ” will be made alive…..this is the resurrection of the righteous….but Jesus will also resurrect the unrighteous, so that they can make an informed choice about whether to serve the true God or not.

Am I misreading you? Are you really saying the unrighteous after death have a choice (your wording), a second chance ?

Then a lot of people who lived and died, never hearing about God and the sacrifice of his son, will earn a fate that they had no choice about….how is that justice?

And yet those unfortunate, who never heard the Gospel are thrown into the LOF, to use your words, how is that justice?

Please clear up the puzzle for me.

 

[PS95]

John 17:6; 26

“I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word.“

“I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.” (ESV)

Jesus didn’t say…”I have manifested MY NAME” to the people his Father had given him….

He said “I made known YOUR NAME” to his disciples…..What other name does God have?
He is one God with one name…..(Deut 6:4) this is what Jesus taught….

You’re welcome…..

Yes, I am aware of those 2 verses. I had asked you to show me where Jesus or the apostles taught us a name to use. It's not there-nowhere in the NT. To you those 2 verses, means that Jesus was announcing a name needed that the Jews had previously held as too hallowed to pronounce, but that is not what Jesus was saying at all.
.Jesus manifested God's name by His very presence in revealing who God is by teaching them and showing them.
"I manifested your Name," - shows that Jesus regarded his work of self-manifestation and God-revelation as virtually completed - to the men whom you have given me. The Father's "giving" of the apostles to Christ refers to those men being made susceptible of His grace and revelations- teachings, who by seeing, and in hearing Jesus- were being drawn inwardly to God's grace, and taught of God, and so they.. came to Christ.

You missed this verse in the same prayer the word, "name" for the 3rd time-- Notice-
John 17:12
“While I was with them, I was keeping them in your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.

Jesus was saying that He had kept the apostles in his Father's name by preserving them in the truth He had revealed to them. He kept watch or guard over them as a Shepherd. By example, instructions, and miracles He preserved them from apostasy.
Notice it also says- "the name you have given me". Did not the Father give the teachings to His Son? Isn't that what Jesus stated?
- or did He give Him His name as in letters?

I do not see anywhere where Jesus nor His apostles gave us a name to use. They taught us the name needed is Jesus. It is thruought the scriptures. Unmistakably. That name of Jesus is also not about knowing a bunch of letters. It is about knowing Him. It's very personal.
Do you know Him as the One who loved you enough to give His life and suffer for you to pay for your own sins?
It's a sin debt that you can never ever pay- not by your physical death- and not by works. It is a gift of love. Do you believe this?

 

[Aunty Jane]

I think you pushing this too far.

It is what Jesus said would happen and the pattern followed by Christendom, is exactly the one taken by Judaism.
Matt 13:24-30….
“He put another parable before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away. So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?’ He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ So the servants said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ But he said, ‘No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, “Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’” (ESV)

The disciples asked for an explanation for this illustration, which he gave in verses 36-43….

“He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace.” (ESV)

What did Jesus say the problem was? This was a sowing of counterfeit Christianity into the whole world….by God’s enemy, but the harvest was the time of separation. Both would grow together in the world so that all could make their own choices about what is truth and what is pretending to be truth. A person’s heart would lead them in one direction or the other. We tell God a lot about ourselves just by the choices we make.

Matt 15:7-9…Jesus said of the Pharisees…
“You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: “‘This people honors me with their lips,but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me,teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ (ESV)
Teaching “the commands of men as doctrines”….is what identified false religion, which has Satan’s stamp all over it….trying to pass off adopted false beliefs as “Christian” teachings. (2 Cor 6:14-18)

The nature of God went from the “one God” of Israel, (Deut 6:4) to a multi-dimentional god of whom neither the Jewish Jesus, nor his apostles, ever mentioned. (1 Cor 8:5-6) This is the god presented to the world by Roman Catholicism as the one true god….and yet in Scripture, he does not exist…

The belief in resurrection from the dead, shifted to belief in an immortal soul, whereas there is no mention of immortal souls in the Bible at all. Jewish belief was that the dead slept in an unconscious state in their graves (Sheol) until the rule of Messiah’s kingdom when all the dead would be raised. (Eccl 9:5, 10; John 5:28-29)

The sleep of death was replaced by alternate places for these conscious, immortal souls to go…..either to “heaven or hell” which the Bible does not support. So if you have accepted these beliefs as true, the devil has gotcha! By giving people the false belief of an immortal soul, he perpetuates his first lie…..that you don’t really die….you continue living in another form in another place that humans cannot see…..

Majority view is a red flag….the devil has the majority because Jesus said that “few“ will be found embracing an inconvenient truth, whilst the majority are traveling a super highway to nowhere. (Matt 7:1–14)

The Names of God Bible (NOG) accurately translates the meaning of the original texts into clear, everyday language. While most translations obscure the names and titles of God by replacing them with just a few English words such as God, Lord, or LORD, The Names of God Bible restores the transliterations of ancient names—such as Yahweh, El Shadday, El Elyon, and Adonay—to help the reader better understand the rich meaning of God’s names that are found in the original Hebrew and Aramaic text.

Your chosen Psalm 83

O Elohim, do not remain silent.
Do not turn a deaf ear to me.
Do not keep quiet, O El.

12 They said, “Let’s take Elohim’s pasturelands for ourselves.”
13 O my Elohim, blow them away like tumbleweeds,[a]
like husks in the wind.

Let their faces blush with shame, O Yahweh,
so that they must look to you for help.
17 Let them be put to shame and terrified forever.
Let them die in disgrace
18 so that they must acknowledge you.
Your name is Yahweh.
You alone are Elyon of the whole earth.

Scripture authors used various names for God the Father, on top of my head :

. Elohim (Genesis 1)
. Yahweh (Genesis 2 and 3)
. Jesus Himself told us to pray : Our Father
. Paul - Abba, Father
. I AM WHO I AM.
. I am the First and the Last, notable from the OT - I, the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he. [Isa 41:4, 44:6, 48:12]

Of course I agree with -

Matt 6:9 Pray then like this: “Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name.

I like some paraphrased versions but I always compare them to literal ‘word for word’ translations and I always check to see how original language words are rendered in other verses, to get an overview of what they mean in the whole Bible.…not just in cherry picked verses.

I also like to get Hebrew Scripture from Jewish translations as I think that they know best how to transalte their own language.

So in all of that….the Bible itself teaches us that God has a name that he gave himself…..so it isn’t one that humans gave to him. It was God who told us about sending his son as a sacrifice for mankind, and that Jesus would represent his God to his people….’hallowing God’s name’ is what he did, making it known to his Jewish disciples.

And seeing God’s name in the whole Bible (some 7000 times) makes you realize how many times it was used by the Bible writers with reverence and respect. You cannot “hallow” a name you never use…..and God knows when his worshippers are calling on his name in any language.

How and why do you think God’s divine name got lost…twice in two biblical eras? Same culprit?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Am I misreading you? Are you really saying the unrighteous after death have a choice (your wording), a second chance ?

I’m not saying it…Jesus is….

John 5:28-29…
”Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.” (ESV)

If those who died in ignorance did things in their lives that Jesus would judge adversely if they did them deliberately in knowledge of God’s law, but Paul said that where there is no law, there is no sin (Rom 4:15)…..you cannot break a law that you’ve never heard of. Many of those unrighteous ones lived and died without ever hearing about the true God or his Christ….

If Jesus resurrects the unrighteous ones why would he do so only to punish them, if they sinned without law?
Sin is the deliberate act of defying God’s law. If you don’t know the law, how can you be punished for breaking it? Is that justice in your opinion?

Receiving a “resurrection of judgment” means a period in which such ones can learn about God and make a decision about whether they wish to comply with his will or not……as free willed beings, God gives us all this opportunity.

And yet those unfortunate, who never heard the Gospel are thrown into the LOF, to use your words, how is that justice?


Please clear up the puzzle for me.

I think you misread what I said….getting thrown into the LoF would be a terrible fate for those not guilty of any crime…..If they died in ignorance, it would be just on God’s part to give them an opportunity to make the right choices so as to live forever…..why wouldn’t he? He tells us that “he doesn’t desire ANY to be destroyed” (2 Peter 3:9)…so this is keeping with his justice and mercy.

 

[David Lamb]

I’m not saying it…Jesus is….

John 5:28-29…
”Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.” (ESV)

If those who died in ignorance did things in their lives that Jesus would judge adversely if they did them deliberately in knowledge of God’s law, but Paul said that where there is no law, there is no sin (Rom 4:15)…..you cannot break a law that you’ve never heard of. Many of those unrighteous ones lived and died without ever hearing about the true God or his Christ….

If Jesus resurrects the unrighteous ones why would he do so only to punish them, if they sinned without law?
Sin is the deliberate act of defying God’s law. If you don’t know the law, how can you be punished for breaking it? Is that justice in your opinion?

Receiving a “resurrection of judgment” means a period in which such ones can learn about God and make a decision about whether they wish to comply with his will or not……as free willed beings, God gives us all this opportunity.


I think you misread what I said….getting thrown into the LoF would be a terrible fate for those not guilty of any crime…..If they died in ignorance, it would be just on God’s part to give them an opportunity to make the right choices so as to live forever…..why wouldn’t he? He tells us that “he doesn’t desire ANY to be destroyed” (2 Peter 3:9)…so this is keeping with his justice and mercy.

But John 5:28-29 don't mention the dead getting a second chance to believe.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

“I Will Be What I Will Be”,

That reminds me of
1 John 3:1-2 See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. [2] Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.

the meaning of God’s name is “I Am”….but the Jewish Tanakh translates the Tetragrammaton as “I Will Be What I Will Be”, which is not a statement of his existence, (as the Israelites already knew that their God existed) but it was a statement of his intentions in connection with them….he would “BE”

Love “I will Be What I will Be” with “his intentions in connection with them”

For the majority of my life every thing regarding God I heard the voice of a tyrant, a male wrath-filled old man in the sky who was a chauvinist, spouting out genocide, slavery, and women as cattle to be owned having little value. I hear the voice of a gavel sounding judge who thundered “Give Me My Glory!” “Honor Me!” “Glorify My Name!” I heard a voice all too common in the world “Mine!” “hallowed be My Name! But then I heard another Voice where His Name which God speaks of giving unto HIs Name, His Glory (the Glory I had, I gave unto them) …unto His Name is unto His people. It went from the commonality of man to seek to Glorify self, their own name …to God seeks our profit. The profit of others. I wish I could write clearly how the voice changes from “Give Me My Glory” “Hallow be My Name!” He’s speaking of a Father seeking for His Children’s profit to share in His Glory. It totally changes for me how I hear “Give Me My Glory” “Do not take the Lord’s Name in Vain” “Keep it Holy!” It’s a giving unto others His Name. Which aligns I think with Acts 11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God has cleansed, that call not you common.

And when Jesus asked Saul why he persecuted Him. Jesus referred not to himself as singular, but instead he referred to persecuting Him was all those Saul had imprisoned and brought before the judges and the way Saul had persecuted…Jesus revealing the Father didn’t talk about himself but others as if they were Him.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

“I will Be What I will Be” with “his intentions in connection with them”

John 17:10-11 And all mine are Yours, and Yours are mine; and I am glorified in them. [11] And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your own name those whom You have given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Yes…I hear “Hallowed be your Name” differently now. Hebrews 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his (Name)holiness.