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God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week

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  1. ReChoired

    ReChoired Well-Known Member

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    Yes, that is modern day theology. When an erroneous theology cannot stand the light of simple questions, the person holding to the theology simply refuses to engage in any line of questions which would show their error. It is a Jesuit principle (seriously go read their documents), as for instance see Fratelli Tutti (Jorge Bergoglio; 'Francis I') point 4, etc. - Fratelli tutti (3 October 2020) | Francis
     
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    charity Well-Known Member

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    Hello @ReChoired,

    May God's word be the Arbiter on this subject as all others, and may His perfect will be done in each one of us, for His Name and Glory's sake.

    Thank you
    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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    Why else would anyone sacrifice income, become the butt of Christian condemnation throughout the world, be tagged as a religious zealot, fanatic, and extremist by the political papal power, except he observe the Sabbath out of love?
     
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    charity Well-Known Member

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    'But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye:
    .. and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
    .... But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts:
    ...... and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you
    ........ a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
    Having a good conscience;
    .. that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers,
    .... they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
    ...... For it is better, if the will of God be so,
    ........ that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.'

    (1 Peter 3:14-17)

    Hello @Backlit

    Surely the only justification for personal sacrifice such as you describe is for the love of God in Christ Jesus, and the honour of His name, and for no other reason. If it be for preaching the observance of the Sabbath, whether out of 'love' or not, then it is not the work of God, otherwise Paul would not have counselled the Colossians believers to,

    'Let no man therefore judge you
    in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday,
    or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
    Which are a shadow of things to come;
    but the body is of Christ.'

    (Col 2:16-17)

    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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    charity Well-Known Member

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    'Who art thou that judgest another man's servant?
    .. to his own master he standeth or falleth.
    .... Yea, he shall be holden up:
    ...... for God is able to make him stand.
    One man esteemeth one day above another:
    .. another esteemeth every day alike.
    .... Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
    ...... He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord;
    ........ and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.
    He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks;
    .. and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
    .... For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
    ...... For whether we live, we live unto the Lord;
    ........ and whether we die, we die unto the Lord:
    .......... whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
    ............ For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived,
    .............. that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
    But why dost thou judge thy brother?
    .. or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?
    .... for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
    ...... For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord,
    ........ every knee shall bow to me,
    .......... and every tongue shall confess to God.
    So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.'

    (Rom 14:4-12)
     
  6. Backlit

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    How would you learn of God's will for you with His word as arbiter if you reject any reasonable line of inquiry fully pertinent to the topic?
    KJV 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
    10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
    11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
    12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    Men cannot with impunity reject the warnings that God in mercy sends them. From those who persist in turning from these warnings, God withdraws His Spirit, leaving them to the deceptions that they love.{AA 266.2}
     
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    charity Well-Known Member

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    Hello @Backlit,

    Thank you for your response. You ask, How would I learn of God's will for me? Surely the answer to that is clear:- by reading God's word, and by appropriating it. It is certainly not by listening to the words of man on any subject.

    Thank you
    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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    @charity Please note the context in which I remarked. The common and repeatedly desperate denial and rejection of the 4th Commandment by many is based on the false belief that love cannot be the motivation for observing the Sabbath. I wasn't talking about the preaching of it.

    As for t the quote from Colossians, all I can offer is an eye roll.
     
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    charity Well-Known Member

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    Hello @Backlit

    You are not to be judged for observing the Sabbath day, any more that those of us who do not observe it should be judged for not doing so, for it is unto the Lord that we do anything. God in Christ alone can make righteous judgments, for only He knows the heart of man, and can discern our motivations for doing anything.

    Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
    Our Lord and Head.
    Chris
     
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  10. Backlit

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    Absolutely. But that man can be God's vessel through which He desires to teach you. Just as Paul was God's vessel to the Bereans. And they did the right thing. But you are rejecting both. You are refusing to listen to him, and refusing to study the scriptures he references.
     
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    And that's why the eye roll. No-one wants to understand the truth regarding the difference between annual feast days and the weekly Sabbath. And it has been explained fully and comprehensibly numerous times. It's unbelief in God's word that is your primary issue... Despite your pretensions to the opposite.
     
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    Hello @Backlit

    The Bereans (Acts 17:11) received the word given by Paul, an Apostle of the risen Christ: He was chosen by the will of God to preach the word of God made known to Him by Divine revelation. They received it readily, but searched the Scriptures daily to see if what was spoken was in accord with what was written in the Scriptures. The word of God given by Paul, is written down for my learning, and I read it and appropriate it by means of the written word.

    I know of no other man so authorised.

    Thank you
    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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    Hello @Backlit,

    What a shame you have to resort to personal attack in order to make your point. The weekly sabbath, and the annual feast days are all the subject of Scripture, which can be read by any man. As for what you perceive to be my 'unbelief', I suggest you lay it at the feet of Him who alone can make that judgment.

    Thank you
    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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    How would you respond if I were to claim that the 3rd Commandment was only for the Jews, and I want to be judged for using that Lord's name in a manner unbefitting it's sacredness according to the OT commandments?
     
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    Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

    NLT: They must realize that the Sabbath is the LORD’s gift to you. That is why he gives you a two-day supply on the sixth day, so there will be enough for two days. On the Sabbath day you must each stay in your place. Do not go out to pick up food on the seventh day.”

    Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
    Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

    The Sabbath was made for man.
    Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
    Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

    The TEST:
    Deu 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

    Deu 8:16 Who fed thee in the wilderness with manna, which thy fathers knew not, that he might humble thee, and that he might prove thee, to do thee good at thy latter end;

    Mat 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
    Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
    Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
    Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

    I find it interesting that the Sabbath and bread have a connection.
    God created the seventh day for man. And proved him in it. To see if they would listen to God instead of their bellies.
    For 6 days or 6000 years we have listened to prophets and priests and ministers tell us what God said.
    But on the 7th day, or 7000 year. God came and spoke to us face to face in the form of a man, Jesus.

    Jesus is the gift, he is the Sabbath or place of rest, he is the bread.
    So many times Jesus told us,
    Come all ye that labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest.
    That rest is IN Him. He is our Sabbath.
    And God rested in it. God was in Jesus reconciling the world unto himself.
    I am the bread of Life... not like the manna Moses gave you in the wilderness...
    Moses told us what God said, But Jesus spoke to us, face to face.
    They had Moses law for 6000 years. We have God's law for eternity.

    The seventh day Sabbath in the OT is a snapshot or picture of what the eternal place of rest is.
    And many still keep it as a memorial or a remembrance of what God gave to us. His Son, His resting place.
    Many keep everyday because God is not limited to a Day.

    40 years in the wilderness and 40 days in the wilderness.
    Jesus represents ALL of Israel.
    He came unto his own but his own received him not.
    They entered not in because of unbelief.

    Jesus is the door. No man comes to the Father but through Him.
    He opened himself up to all who would believe and be reckoned as Abraham's seed.
    Abraham was God's friend.
    I call you no more servants, but friends.

    The Sabbath is Holy, Sanctified, set apart from the world.

    Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
    Jhn 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?


    I often wondered where John the Baptist received instructions to baptise the people. I think I found it:

    Exo 19:14 And Moses went down from the mount unto the people, and sanctified the people; and they washed their clothes.

    Mat 21:25 The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?
    Mat 21:26 But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet.

    1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
    1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

    The Sabbath is a place those that are sanctified enter into.
    This place is IN The Lord.
    Jhn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

    God never changed the Sabbath Day. It has always been the same since the foundation of the world.

    Jhn 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

    Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

    The same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
    Hugs


     
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    charity Well-Known Member

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    Hi @Backlit,

    If you were to say that the commandments were given to the Jews, I would say, 'yes'. For they were given to be kept as part of a conditional covenant made between God and the children of Israel at Mount Sinai.

    Thank you
    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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    If only the true believer will register, that "the day The Seventh Day is Sabbath Day OF THE LORD GOD", and NOT OF MAN!
    Have you - whoever - ever read a discourse between so-called Christians over the Sabbath, that not from the start DEGRADED into a MESS ABOUT MAN'S supposed keeping or non-keeping of it, without ever having attention paid to GOD'S ownership of and doings on it?
     
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    If the commandments given at Mount Sinai were between God and the children of the Jews only, then I say you display to have no understanding nor knowledge of the Bible whatsoever!
    Therefore according to your reasoning, modern day man are lost and without hope, because the Book of Romans were written for the Church at Rome, the Books of 1st and 2nd Corinthians to the Church at Corinth, the Book of Ephesians to the Church at Ephesus and so on, and so on and so on.

    And since we were never in the places above therefore the contents of those books and others are not for us today and pretty soon we won't have any Bible to read, do you get my point?

    To God Be The Glory
     
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    No, If the commandments given at Mount Sinai were between God and the children of the Jews only, then I say you display to have no understanding nor knowledge of the GOD OF THE BIBLE whatsoever!
     
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