God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week

[Ziggy]

Also, the Sabbath was created; Christ was not. :)

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

 

[BarneyFife]

Some of what seems like parallels are merely symbols. :)

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

This seventh day I believe is also the millenial reign, 1000 years with Christ.
I see Christ as God's Sabbath Day that he created to rest in.

It's time you stop seeing and start reading.

 

[BarneyFife]

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Are you saying Christ is a created being? If you are, I guess that's okay but I suppose you should know that we're not in agreement on that. :)

 

[BarneyFife]

It's time you stop seeing and start reading.

GE, you're just a treasure, you are. I hope you don't disappear as a lot of beacons have here. :)

 

[rstrats]

[QUOTE="Davy, [/QUOTE]

You have 3 questions directed to you in post #1289.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Nice try, but you failed to properly read what Apostle Paul wrote...

Col 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
KJV

Not one word, phrase or sentence above is from the actual literal Text - Greek Text. NOT ONE.
So here is the truth,
"16 Do not you (Colossian believers) let yourselves be judged / condemned by anyone (of the world) in eating and in drinking or in respect of (eating and drinking) of weekly Sabbath's Feast whether of month's or of weekly (occurrence or frequency) : which (Sabbath's-Feasting) shadows forth The Body of Christ (given to the Church as Head), holding to the Head growing with the growth of God, its Nourishment ministered being Christ the Substance."

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Your reasoning on it simply lacks all common sense. Instead, you've stooped low to men's Legalist criticism of Scripture.

Davy saying. I like this.

 

[Ziggy]

Also, the Sabbath was created; Christ was not. :)

I agree.
Christ was with God eternally.
The seventh day was created seperate from the other days to rest in.

thinking..
hugs

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

GerhardEbersoehn said: ↑
Good! Only don't replace the Perfect Participle of 2 aspects, before and present, with a FALSE INTENTIONAL DECEIVING Verb in English Past or Present Continuous Tense. It is the work of the little horn with his big mouth Antichrist.
Davy:
LEGALISM. A joke from the doctrines of men designed to cause doubt of the simplicity of God's written Word.

Precisely exactly. We actually agree, just reckon.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The writer of Hebrews appears to use katapusis and sabbatismos more or less
synonymously:

Nothing can be further from God's Truth!!!

"the Rest-of-God" 7 or 8 times in Hebrews = 'katapausis', 0 x 'Sabbatismos'.

"Katapausis" 7 or 8 times in Hebrews = "the Rest-OF-GOD", 0 x 'Sabbatismos' - "Sabbath-DAY-of-rest-FOR THE PEOPLE of God".

"God thus concerning The Seventh Day spake: That God the DAY the Seventh DAY from all his works rested."
It's BY FAR NOT <<to use katapusis and sabbatismos more or less synonymously>> - SDA humbug at the cost of God's own Sabbath Truth as well as dishonour of HIS OWN REST IN AND THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.
To be loathed!

 

[Davy]

That's funny because I just started a thread about common sense, and it's beginning to move into reasoning..lol
I don't think one has anything to do with the other, but I'm still investigating.

Reasoning simply lacks all common sense.
Come let us reason together.. though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow.

What is common sense in that verse?
What is the reasoning in that verse?
Are the same?

just something I'm contemplating..lol
contemplation and meditation.. so many words..lol

Hugs

Trying to say Sunday isn't the first day of the week is what does not make common sense. Per Colossians 2:14-17 those in Christ are no longer held to keeping the Hebrew weekly sabbath like the Jews do. Christians can worship ANY DAY of the week now. It's not about ritual anymore.

And the Colossians 2:16 word "sabbath" does... mean the traditional Hebrew Sabbath, for the Greek word there is 'sabbaton' which is taken from the Hebrew for Sabbath.



NT:4521
sabbaton (sab'-bat-on); of Hebrew origin [OT:7676]; the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications:

KJV - sabbath (day), week.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

 

[GEN2REV]

So, to sum up over 1300 posts, it turns out God did NOT change the 7th Day Sabbath Worship to Sunday after all!

Ya know, sometimes it takes a while to get to the bottom of these things, but once you get there, all you feel is gratitude and reverence for God and all His Mighty Wonders.

He truly is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. He just doesn't change, does he?

What a Glorious God!!

God bless.

 

[Davy]

Not one word, phrase or sentence above is from the actual literal Text - Greek Text. NOT ONE.

Wow! Are you way... off... base!

The Colossians 2 Scripture IS WRITTEN in the Greek texts which the KJV translators used. That would be the Majority Texts, or Textus Receptus text which means the Received Text, and makes up the majority of ancient Greek New Testament manuscripts (+2000).

 

[Davy]

So, to sum up over 1300 posts, it turns out God did NOT change the 7th Day Sabbath Worship to Sunday after all!

Ya know, sometimes it takes a while to get to the bottom of these things, but once you get there, all you feel is gratitude and reverence for God and all His Mighty Wonders.

He truly is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. He just doesn't change, does he?

What a Glorious God!!

God bless.

No, He didn't change it, nor did the pagan Romans.

The early Church kept the weekly sabbath in Judea because it was required by civil law. So the Christians met on Sunday to worship (or another day of the week). Yet in Christ's future Millennium reign, we all will keep God's Sabbath. But under The New Covenant, we are not held to a particular sabbath day. The orthodox Jews, and groups like the Seventh Day Adventists believe we still are held to the old sabbath, but I don't see SDA being strict in it, since the old sabbath time was Friday at sunset to Saturday at sunset. I have SDA friends that go to Church on Saturday morning, and that's it.

 

[GEN2REV]

No, He didn't change it, nor did the pagan Romans.

The early Church kept the weekly sabbath in Judea because it was required by civil law. So the Christians met on Sunday to worship (or another day of the week). Yet in Christ's future Millennium reign, we all will keep God's Sabbath. But under The New Covenant, we are not held to a particular sabbath day. The orthodox Jews, and groups like the Seventh Day Adventists believe we still are held to the old sabbath, but I don't see SDA being strict in it, since the old sabbath time was Friday at sunset to Saturday at sunset. I have SDA friends that go to Church on Saturday morning, and that's it.

Not challenging your post in any way, but I wonder why so many feel it has to be an IRON-clad Law.

Why can't more people see that many, I'd even say most, 7th Day Sabbath Keepers honor and keep that particular day out of sincere reverence for their God, Genesis 2:2 and the epic event on Mount Sinai where God gave the Tablets of Stone?

That's truly what it's all about. It's what a majority of The Bible itself is all about.

Honoring and revering God and keeping His Commandments.

Sure, if folks choose not to, so be it. Revelation 22:11

 

[Bob Estey]

We read in Acts 13:42, 44
42) And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
44) And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Please note that the Jews gathered together on the seventh day of the week [Saturday] and also note the term "next" in Strong's Concordance means "between" therefore, in this case, "next/between sabbaths" would mean the day after Saturday will have to mean Sunday the first day of the week.

Now the most significant and profound Scripture reference concerning the change from Saturday Sabbath to Sunday Sabbath worship [which BTW, can't be seen in the English translation] is Matthew 28:1 that reads:
"In the end of the sabbath as it began to dawn towards the first day of the week came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher."

Please note that the printer is warning the English reader that words in italicize in the KJV Bible, are not in the original manuscripts. Also note that the word "week" is the plural Hebrew word "sabaton" that can be proven.

Hence, Matthew 28:1 can be rendered thus:
"In the end of the sabbaths as it began to dawn towards the first of the sabbaths came Mary..."

Now Matthew 28:1 seems to be in harmony and that God teaches us that He changed the Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to the First Day Sabbath which to us is Sunday.

To God Be The Glory

Another way to look at it - Sunday is the last day of the week.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Christians can worship ANY DAY of the week now. It's not about ritual anymore.

Christians CANNOT worship ANY DAY of the week now. It's not about ritual anymore. Man you're clever!

 

[Ziggy]

Trying to say Sunday isn't the first day of the week is what does not make common sense. Per Colossians 2:14-17 those in Christ are no longer held to keeping the Hebrew weekly sabbath like the Jews do. Christians can worship ANY DAY of the week now. It's not about ritual anymore.

Trying to say Sunday isn't the first day of the week is what does not make common sense.

I can't argue with that logic. If I look at the calendar on my computer, it agrees with you. Sunday according to the calendar is the first day of the week.

What day will be the first day of the week in the year 2100?
Currently, the Julian calendar is 13 days behind the Gregorian calendar. This gap will change in the year 2100 when the discrepancy will increase to 14 days.

If the original calendar according to the bible was 30 days per month for 12 months and sometimes 13 months,
what day was the first day according to that calendar?

I don't find, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, or Saturday named in the Bible.
So how do you know what day of the week it is?

The Sumerian calendar was the earliest, followed by the Egyptian, Assyrian and Elamite calendars.
Which day was the first day of the week according to these calendars?

A larger number of calendar systems of the ancient Near East appear in the Iron Age archaeological record, based on the Assyrian and Babylonian calendars. This includes the calendar of the Persian Empire, which in turn gave rise to the Zoroastrian calendar as well as the Hebrew calendar.

The Roman calendar was reformed by Julius Caesar in 45 BC. The Julian calendar was no longer dependent on the observation of the new moon but simply followed an algorithm of introducing a leap day every four years. This created a dissociation of the calendar month from the lunation.

The Gregorian calendar was introduced as a refinement of the Julian calendar in 1582, and is today in worldwide use as the "de facto" calendar for secular purposes.

History of calendars - Wikipedia

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Psa 104:19 He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

The Julian Calendar took the moon out of the equation and came up with their own algorithm.
Algorithm... They was probably in cahoots with FB fact checkers in case anyone disagreed.. Just saying.

Look, I don't follow the sun or the moon or the stars. I tried to have a study on that but it offended someone and I had to remove it.
We apparently don't live according God's calendar.

SO WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHAT DAY IT IS?

We have NO CLUE.

Maybe God will send manna again and teach us all over again exactly which day is the 1st and the 7th.
Until then..
YOU DO YOU
And I'LL DO ME

stop arguing, there bigger things to worry about..
Just worship God, keep your eyes on God,
Trust God.
PERIOD

running out of time people..
tick tock tick tock
wakey wakey..

Does anybody really know what time it is?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

And the Colossians 2:16 word "sabbath" does... mean the traditional Hebrew Sabbath, for the Greek word there is 'sabbaton' which is taken from the Hebrew for Sabbath.

Sometimes you may per accident say something too clever for you actually to say, but usually, like here, you're making a total mess.
The Colossians 2:16 word for "the weekly (Seventh Day) Sabbath-Of-Feast-Of-Christ its Substance", IS JUST THAT - which means it does NOT <<mean the traditional Hebrew Sabbath>>, but the CHRISTIAN CHURCH-word 'Sabba'tohn' for singular, particular, exclusive DAY of OWN CHRISTIAN Congregational, holy, separate, Worship in "Sabbath's-Feast" and "Assembling Together" of the exclusive "BODY" of "True Believers" and "People of God" of post Hebraic and post Judaic CHRISTIAN age, milieu and growth-bed, which is NOT <<taken from the Hebrew>>. The word germinated, originated and developed in the black-earth of Hellenistic Christian Greek. It owes pre-Christian (paleo) Hebrew NOTHING.

Not for chicken's understanding but for followers of Jesus Christ's knowing and understanding in their OWN roots and beginnings and traditions etcetera – Biblical stuff!