God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week

[Ziggy]

The same day God rested is the same day Jesus was in the grave... Yes, "ON THE SABBTH". By the same ACT "God rested" the same "day the Seventh Day Sabbath-Rest-Day OF THE LORD GOD", "God rested", "BY THE SON". By the same ACT "God RAISED Christ from the dead" : "according to the Scriptures", "THE THIRD DAY HE SAID HE WOULD RISE" -- all the way it is Written ... "ON THE SABATH".

So, I see that as "God rested" , "IN THE SON" . And because God was IN Christ, he could not die. I don't mean physical death, I mean Spiritual death.

What is this?

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Act 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

So when I look back on the seventh day the Lord created, He created that day to rest in.
That day is Christ, it is the Light God created on the First day and saw that it was good.
After God finished His Work, and saw everything that he created and that it was very good, He rested in Christ which God called the seventh day.

This seventh day I believe is also the millenial reign, 1000 years with Christ.
I see Christ as God's Sabbath Day that he created to rest in.

And we are to remember this day... why?
Because there is salvation in no other name.
That name is the name of Christ. And we rest In him.
As long as Christ is in the world, meaning the church, the light will shine.
When Christ is taken out of the way, church is removed, then there will be utter darkness.

We are told to work while it is yet Day, the night cometh when no man can work.
And by working that means to be the light of the world. Bring truth, hope, faith, to a dying world.
The Sabbath is a witness of that Day when we shall all rest with God in Christ, together.
And we shall enter in to peaceful meadows...

something about this song..
Hugs

 

[Truman]

Very nice. Thanks for posting it. It's exactly what I needed to hear. Shalom.

 

[Brakelite]

Lovely song zig. So hard to find Christian music that doesn't sound like every rock and roll song since
KJV Daniel 3:7
7 Therefore at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and all kinds of musick, all the people, the nations, and the languages, fell down and worshipped the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up.

 

[Davy]

Colossians doesn't have <<the Jews' sabbath>> in mind or in word, but, literally and precisely, "Sabbath's Feast OF CHRIST" God's "two-edged Sword of his Word SET APART" from everything else, just READ Exodus 20 and Deuteronmy 5 and Hebrews 4 and you will SEE!

Now, now, you MISQUOTED ME!

You sliced and diced my below statement in your post #1296 and 1297, which is wrong.

What I actually said:
You can keep to the Jew's sabbath day if you want; that is still not against Christian doctrine. But trying to belittle other believers in Christ for not... keeping the Jew's sabbath IS... against Christian doctrine per Colossians 2.

 

[Davy]

Colossians doesn't have <<the Jews' sabbath>> in mind or in word, but, literally and precisely, "Sabbath's Feast OF CHRIST" God's "two-edged Sword of his Word SET APART" from everything else, just READ Exodus 20 and Deuteronmy 5 and Hebrews 4 and you will SEE!

Nice try, but you failed to properly read what Apostle Paul wrote...

Col 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
KJV

 

[Davy]

Reading some new quasi translations yes. But the real translation looks quite different and means quite different! So it's better if you read CORRECTLY, ACCURATELY, LITERALLY, "after before having been assembling together, the disciples having been assembling together STILL on the First Day of the week, Paul spoke with them until midnight..." AFTER THE SABBATH of course! during which Sabbath before the First Day of the week the disciples AT FIRST had had started with their "assembling together" PERFECT PARTICIPLE - no finite Indicative Verb <they gathered together>!

Your reasoning on it simply lacks all common sense. Instead, you've stooped low to men's Legalist criticism of Scripture.

 

[Davy]

Good! Only don't replace the Perfect Participle of 2 aspects, before and present, with a FALSE INTENTIONAL DECEIVING Verb in English Past or Present Continuous Tense. It is the work of the little horn with his big mouth Antichrist.

LEGALISM. A joke from the doctrines of men designed to cause doubt of the simplicity of God's written Word.

 

[BarneyFife]

Like Colossians 2 shows, not to judge any man according to holy days or the sabbaths. Acts 2:46 is just more proof of that.

You can keep to the Jew's sabbath day if you want; that is still not against Christian doctrine. But trying to belittle other believers in Christ for not... keeping the Jew's sabbath IS... against Christian doctrine per Colossians 2.

Well, according to the more widely held evangelical position, Sabbath-keeping is no different than keeping feast days, mandatory circumcision, or offering animal sacrifices.

The problem with the school of thought that the Sabbath is in no way compulsory to the Christian, is that no consensus on why can be reached among the students.

Are the ten commandments defunct?
-or-
Is only the 4th one gone?
-or-
Has the day itself been changed from the 7th to the 1st?

I'd really like to know.

The anti-Sabbath or, simply (if you like), Sunday edifice looks a lot like the Tower of Babel (building upward instead of abroad), and the non-consensus sounds a lot like God confounding the language.

 

[BarneyFife]

So, I see that as "God rested" , "IN THE SON" . And because God was IN Christ, he could not die. I don't mean physical death, I mean Spiritual death.

What is this?

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Act 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

So when I look back on the seventh day the Lord created, He created that day to rest in.
That day is Christ, it is the Light God created on the First day and saw that it was good.
After God finished His Work, and saw everything that he created and that it was very good, He rested in Christ which God called the seventh day.

This seventh day I believe is also the millenial reign, 1000 years with Christ.
I see Christ as God's Sabbath Day that he created to rest in.

And we are to remember this day... why?
Because there is salvation in no other name.
That name is the name of Christ. And we rest In him.
As long as Christ is in the world, meaning the church, the light will shine.
When Christ is taken out of the way, church is removed, then there will be utter darkness.

We are told to work while it is yet Day, the night cometh when no man can work.
And by working that means to be the light of the world. Bring truth, hope, faith, to a dying world.
The Sabbath is a witness of that Day when we shall all rest with God in Christ, together.
And we shall enter in to peaceful meadows...

something about this song..
Hugs

It's a very nice song. The only problem is that Christ is not the Sabbath. He is Lord of the Sabbath. He gives rest. The rest referred to in Hebrews 4:9 is not Sabbath rest. It is heavenly or everyday rest in Christ. Even Adventist scholars believe that (it's in the Bible Commentary).

The 7th day is, of course, mentioned, but only in metaphor.

Why do I nitpick? Because the Sabbath is not the Gospel and Christ is.

The Third Angel's message is righteousness by faith. It takes faith to obey God when the world and the church says not to.

Also, identifying Christ as the Sabbath falls into the trap of claiming that Christ is, and therefore has, replaced the Sabbath in the New Covenant.

From SDABC on Hebrews, the word "rest" in chapter 4, verse 9:

... a linguistic study of the word sabbatismos in Heb. 4:9
leaves it uncertain whether the weekly Sabbath “rest” is here referred to, or simply “rest”
or “cessation” in a general sense. Context alone can decide the matter.

The writer of Hebrews appears to use katapusis and sabbatismos more or less
synonymously:

-- Because Joshua could not lead Israel into spiritual “rest” (katapausis, v. 8), a
sabbatismos (v. 9) remains for Christians. Consistency seems to require that what
remains be the same as what was there to begin with. Because Joshua did not lead literal
Israel into spiritual “rest” would be no reason for the Christian to observe the Sabbath.

-- From vs. 1, 6 it is clear that what remains for the people of God in NT times is a
katapausis; in v. 9 it is said that a sabbatismos remains. To declare that what remains for
“the people of God” is the weekly Sabbath, is to declare that what Joshua failed to lead
Israel into was the weekly Sabbath.

-- The fact that in the LXX, the Bible of the NT church, katapauō (Gen. 2:2, 3); Ex.
20:11) and sabbatizō (Ex. 16:30; Lev. 23:32) are used interchangeably to denote the
seventh-day Sabbath, would tend to preclude the suggestion that the writer of Hebrews
intended to make a distinction between the noun forms of these words in Heb. 3; 4.

It may be noted, further, that the Jews of Paul’s time, whether Christian or non-
Christian, were punctilious in their observance of the fourth commandment. Certainly, in
writing to Jews, the author of Hebrews would not consider it necessary to prove to them
that Sabbathkeeping “remaineth.” If the conclusion of the extended argument beginning
with ch. 3:7 is that Sabbathkeeping remains for the people of God, it would seem that the
writer of Hebrews is guilty of a non sequitur, for the conclusion does not follow logically
from the argument. There would have been no point in so labored an effort to persuade
the Jews to do what they were already doing—observing the seventh-day Sabbath.

Furthermore, in apostolic times the seventh-day Sabbath was observed by all Christians,
Jew and Gentile alike, and any argument to prove the validity of the Sabbath in those
early Christian times would have been pointless. Furthermore, it may be observed that the
section of the book of Hebrews consisting of chs. 3 and 4 opens with an invitation to
“consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus” (ch. 3:1), and
closes with an earnest plea to “come boldly” before Him in order to “obtain mercy, and
find grace to help in time of need” (ch. 4:16). What relationship a protracted argument
designed to prove that Sabbath observance remains as an obligation to the Christian
church might have to the declared theme of chs. 3 and 4—the ministry of Christ as our
great High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary—is obscure indeed.

The rest here spoken of is the rest of grace.

We enter into God’s “rest” when we “consider” Jesus (ch. 3:1) and listen to His voice
(chs. 3:7, 15; 4:7), when we exercise faith in Him (ch. 4:2, 3), when we cease from our
own efforts to earn salvation (v. 10), when we “hold fast our profession” (v. 14), and
when we draw near to the throne of grace (v. 16). Those who would enter into this
experience must beware of “an evil heart of unbelief” (ch. 3:12), of hardening their hearts
(chs. 3:8, 15; 4:7). They must strive to enter into God’s “rest” (ch. 4:11).

Those who enter into God’s “rest” will “hold fast” their “profession” (v. 14). They
will “come boldly unto the throne of grace” to “obtain mercy, and find grace to help in
time of need” (v. 16).

 

[Ziggy]

Your reasoning on it simply lacks all common sense. Instead, you've stooped low to men's Legalist criticism of Scripture.

That's funny because I just started a thread about common sense, and it's beginning to move into reasoning..lol
I don't think one has anything to do with the other, but I'm still investigating.

Reasoning simply lacks all common sense.
Come let us reason together.. though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow.

What is common sense in that verse?
What is the reasoning in that verse?
Are the same?

just something I'm contemplating..lol
contemplation and meditation.. so many words..lol

Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

It's a very nice song. The only problem is that Christ is not the Sabbath. He is Lord of the Sabbath. He gives rest. The rest referred to in Hebrews 4:9 is not Sabbath rest. It is heavenly or everyday rest in Christ. Even Adventist scholars believe that (it's in the Bible Commentary).

The 7th day is, of course, mentioned, but only in metaphor.

Why do I nitpick? Because the Sabbath is not the Gospel and Christ is.

The Third Angel's message is righteousness by faith. It takes faith to obey God when the world and the church says not to.

Also, identifying Christ as the Sabbath falls into the trap of claiming that Christ is, and therefore has, replaced the Sabbath in the New Covenant.

From SDABC on Hebrews, the word "rest" in chapter 4, verse 9:

... a linguistic study of the word sabbatismos in Heb. 4:9
leaves it uncertain whether the weekly Sabbath “rest” is here referred to, or simply “rest”
or “cessation” in a general sense. Context alone can decide the matter.

The writer of Hebrews appears to use katapusis and sabbatismos more or less
synonymously:

-- Because Joshua could not lead Israel into spiritual “rest” (katapausis, v. 8), a
sabbatismos (v. 9) remains for Christians. Consistency seems to require that what
remains be the same as what was there to begin with. Because Joshua did not lead literal
Israel into spiritual “rest” would be no reason for the Christian to observe the Sabbath.

-- From vs. 1, 6 it is clear that what remains for the people of God in NT times is a
katapausis; in v. 9 it is said that a sabbatismos remains. To declare that what remains for
“the people of God” is the weekly Sabbath, is to declare that what Joshua failed to lead
Israel into was the weekly Sabbath.

-- The fact that in the LXX, the Bible of the NT church, katapauō (Gen. 2:2, 3); Ex.
20:11) and sabbatizō (Ex. 16:30; Lev. 23:32) are used interchangeably to denote the
seventh-day Sabbath, would tend to preclude the suggestion that the writer of Hebrews
intended to make a distinction between the noun forms of these words in Heb. 3; 4.

It may be noted, further, that the Jews of Paul’s time, whether Christian or non-
Christian, were punctilious in their observance of the fourth commandment. Certainly, in
writing to Jews, the author of Hebrews would not consider it necessary to prove to them
that Sabbathkeeping “remaineth.” If the conclusion of the extended argument beginning
with ch. 3:7 is that Sabbathkeeping remains for the people of God, it would seem that the
writer of Hebrews is guilty of a non sequitur, for the conclusion does not follow logically
from the argument. There would have been no point in so labored an effort to persuade
the Jews to do what they were already doing—observing the seventh-day Sabbath.

Furthermore, in apostolic times the seventh-day Sabbath was observed by all Christians,
Jew and Gentile alike, and any argument to prove the validity of the Sabbath in those
early Christian times would have been pointless. Furthermore, it may be observed that the
section of the book of Hebrews consisting of chs. 3 and 4 opens with an invitation to
“consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus” (ch. 3:1), and
closes with an earnest plea to “come boldly” before Him in order to “obtain mercy, and
find grace to help in time of need” (ch. 4:16). What relationship a protracted argument
designed to prove that Sabbath observance remains as an obligation to the Christian
church might have to the declared theme of chs. 3 and 4—the ministry of Christ as our
great High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary—is obscure indeed.

The rest here spoken of is the rest of grace.

We enter into God’s “rest” when we “consider” Jesus (ch. 3:1) and listen to His voice
(chs. 3:7, 15; 4:7), when we exercise faith in Him (ch. 4:2, 3), when we cease from our
own efforts to earn salvation (v. 10), when we “hold fast our profession” (v. 14), and
when we draw near to the throne of grace (v. 16). Those who would enter into this
experience must beware of “an evil heart of unbelief” (ch. 3:12), of hardening their hearts
(chs. 3:8, 15; 4:7). They must strive to enter into God’s “rest” (ch. 4:11).

Those who enter into God’s “rest” will “hold fast” their “profession” (v. 14). They
will “come boldly unto the throne of grace” to “obtain mercy, and find grace to help in
time of need” (v. 16).

So. I'm just .. looking for a different angle to an old argument.
I found this..

Gen 8:9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.

I find this dove in the NT too. Only this time she found rest and abided on him.

Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Where did the dove go?

The days of Noah..
in the water and out of the water..

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Baptism.. is there a connection between baptism and the sabbath?
It's an ending of something... a week, an old life, death.
You are baptised into his death...
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

We entered into...but they couldn't enter in because they had no faith..

Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
Heb 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

I'm just thinking..
Hugs

 

[BarneyFife]

So. I'm just .. looking for a different angle to an old argument.
I found this..

Gen 8:9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.

I find this dove in the NT too. Only this time she found rest and abided on him.

Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Where did the dove go?

The days of Noah..
in the water and out of the water..

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Baptism.. is there a connection between baptism and the sabbath?
It's an ending of something... a week, an old life, death.
You are baptised into his death...
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

We entered into...but they couldn't enter in because they had no faith..

Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
Heb 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

I'm just thinking..
Hugs

That's very interesting. Very.

 

[Ziggy]

It's a very nice song. The only problem is that Christ is not the Sabbath. He is Lord of the Sabbath. He gives rest. The rest referred to in Hebrews 4:9 is not Sabbath rest. It is heavenly or everyday rest in Christ. Even Adventist scholars believe that (it's in the Bible Commentary).

The 7th day is, of course, mentioned, but only in metaphor.

Why do I nitpick? Because the Sabbath is not the Gospel and Christ is.

The Third Angel's message is righteousness by faith. It takes faith to obey God when the world and the church says not to.

Also, identifying Christ as the Sabbath falls into the trap of claiming that Christ is, and therefore has, replaced the Sabbath in the New Covenant.

From SDABC on Hebrews, the word "rest" in chapter 4, verse 9:

... a linguistic study of the word sabbatismos in Heb. 4:9
leaves it uncertain whether the weekly Sabbath “rest” is here referred to, or simply “rest”
or “cessation” in a general sense. Context alone can decide the matter.

The writer of Hebrews appears to use katapusis and sabbatismos more or less
synonymously:

-- Because Joshua could not lead Israel into spiritual “rest” (katapausis, v. 8), a
sabbatismos (v. 9) remains for Christians. Consistency seems to require that what
remains be the same as what was there to begin with. Because Joshua did not lead literal
Israel into spiritual “rest” would be no reason for the Christian to observe the Sabbath.

-- From vs. 1, 6 it is clear that what remains for the people of God in NT times is a
katapausis; in v. 9 it is said that a sabbatismos remains. To declare that what remains for
“the people of God” is the weekly Sabbath, is to declare that what Joshua failed to lead
Israel into was the weekly Sabbath.

-- The fact that in the LXX, the Bible of the NT church, katapauō (Gen. 2:2, 3); Ex.
20:11) and sabbatizō (Ex. 16:30; Lev. 23:32) are used interchangeably to denote the
seventh-day Sabbath, would tend to preclude the suggestion that the writer of Hebrews
intended to make a distinction between the noun forms of these words in Heb. 3; 4.

It may be noted, further, that the Jews of Paul’s time, whether Christian or non-
Christian, were punctilious in their observance of the fourth commandment. Certainly, in
writing to Jews, the author of Hebrews would not consider it necessary to prove to them
that Sabbathkeeping “remaineth.” If the conclusion of the extended argument beginning
with ch. 3:7 is that Sabbathkeeping remains for the people of God, it would seem that the
writer of Hebrews is guilty of a non sequitur, for the conclusion does not follow logically
from the argument. There would have been no point in so labored an effort to persuade
the Jews to do what they were already doing—observing the seventh-day Sabbath.

Furthermore, in apostolic times the seventh-day Sabbath was observed by all Christians,
Jew and Gentile alike, and any argument to prove the validity of the Sabbath in those
early Christian times would have been pointless. Furthermore, it may be observed that the
section of the book of Hebrews consisting of chs. 3 and 4 opens with an invitation to
“consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus” (ch. 3:1), and
closes with an earnest plea to “come boldly” before Him in order to “obtain mercy, and
find grace to help in time of need” (ch. 4:16). What relationship a protracted argument
designed to prove that Sabbath observance remains as an obligation to the Christian
church might have to the declared theme of chs. 3 and 4—the ministry of Christ as our
great High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary—is obscure indeed.

The rest here spoken of is the rest of grace.

We enter into God’s “rest” when we “consider” Jesus (ch. 3:1) and listen to His voice
(chs. 3:7, 15; 4:7), when we exercise faith in Him (ch. 4:2, 3), when we cease from our
own efforts to earn salvation (v. 10), when we “hold fast our profession” (v. 14), and
when we draw near to the throne of grace (v. 16). Those who would enter into this
experience must beware of “an evil heart of unbelief” (ch. 3:12), of hardening their hearts
(chs. 3:8, 15; 4:7). They must strive to enter into God’s “rest” (ch. 4:11).

Those who enter into God’s “rest” will “hold fast” their “profession” (v. 14). They
will “come boldly unto the throne of grace” to “obtain mercy, and find grace to help in
time of need” (v. 16).

I'm reading through the "linguistic" study...
They're not looking at it from a spiritual point of view. They are looking at it carnally.
I think that's where them and me disagree, although I don't disagree with coming to the Throne of Grace.
I believe when we are IN Christ, we are seated IN the throne with him.
And when we step out, or "sin" , then we need to "return" and find mercy.
You don't need to Find it if your already IN it.

standing steadfast..
steadfast...
unmoveable..

thinking
hugs

edit.. I meant to say disagree with coming to the throne of grace

 

[BarneyFife]

@Ziggy
I may be a bit over-cautious about drawing parallels from word studies (I've been burnt). But I admire those who aren't over-cautious. I think I miss out on a lot.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

So when I look back on the seventh day the Lord created, He created that day to rest in.
That day is Christ, it is the Light God created on the First day and saw that it was good.
After God finished His Work, and saw everything that he created and that it was very good, He rested in Christ which God called the seventh day.

Incomprehensible except that it is incomprehensible <<I look ... and saw: That day is Christ, it is the Light God created on the First day and saw that it was good.>>
Your own stuff man, your bluff. YOU, looked?! good heavens, what a catastrophe! You love to write your own <coalitions>. DUH

 

[BarneyFife]

I'm reading through the "linguistic" study...
They're not looking at it from a spiritual point of view. They are looking at it carnally.
I think that's where them and me disagree, although I don't disagree with coming to the Throne of Grace.
I believe when we are IN Christ, we are seated IN the throne with him.
And when we step out, or "sin" , then we need to "return" and find mercy.
You don't need to Find it if your already IN it.

standing steadfast..
steadfast...
unmoveable..

thinking
hugs

edit.. I meant to say disagree with coming to the throne of grace

I think it's very interesting (at the risk of getting off-topic) the way Christ understated things that Paul usually stated more strongly. I get the impression that without the restraint of the Holy Spirit Paul would have gone down some serious rabbit holes with all of his book larnin'. For instance, the distinction between the spirit and the flesh (carnal). Christ almost seemed to downplay the distinctions (by innocent omission) in favor of stressing more of the aspects of integration of mind, body, spirit, soul, etc.

I think the juxtaposition of the coming to the throne/in Christ is just a normal biblical paradox. Like being perfect, yet flawed as a Christian. Calvary solves that one, as it does most.

 

[Ziggy]

@Ziggy
I may be a bit over-cautious about drawing parallels from word studies (I've been burnt). But I admire those who aren't over-cautious. I think I miss out on a lot.

Wasn't it Paul who showed us how to use the parallels, by using Sarah and Hagar as the two covenants?
The same yesterday, today, and tomorrow..
The entire Bible is a parallel of parallels.
I call it history repeating itself, only the names and places have been changed, but the lesson is the same.

The truth of the rise and fall of nations and kingdoms, and individuals and families.. good and bad, are all recorded throughout the ages.

This is how I see the Bible:

Genesis: The entire onion from outer layer to the core.
Exodus: A layer is pealed, same onion with more detail.
Each consectutive book is another layer with more detail of the original book.
When you reach the book of Revelation, you are full circle with the book of Genesis.
And thus a new heaven and a new earth begins again... world without end.. forever and ever Amen.

The Gospels is a new beginning.. But in order to understand where we are, history is our guide to show us where we have been, where we are, and where we are going.
The circle of Life is encapsulated in the Bible.
There will always be parallels because that's how God made everything.
With seed within itself.. the Bible is a seed, and everything written in it is a seed, and it grows from 5 books to 66 books, and if we didn't cap it, it would still be being added to.
But nothing more was needed to add to it, because everything we ever needed to learn in kingergarten is written in that book.
And no matter how they try, they can't destroy the truth, whether by book burnings, or censorship, or war..
Truth is Truth.
You can always try to hide it, cover it up, rip out pages you don't like,
but that doesn't change the truth.

Hard to explain it.
To me, everything is a parallel of past, present and future.

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And God said Let there be Light... I AM the Light of the world.
And had no need of the sun, for the glory of God did lighten it, and the lamb is the Light thereof. In the beginning..God said.
Revelation... And I saw a new heaven and a new earth... Genesis... In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
World without end.

 

[BarneyFife]

That day is Christ, it is the Light God created on the First day and saw that it was good.

Also, the Sabbath was created; Christ was not. :)

 

[BarneyFife]

Wasn't it Paul who showed us how to use the parallels, by using Sarah and Hagar as the two covenants?
The same yesterday, today, and tomorrow..
The entire Bible is a parallel of parallels.
I call it history repeating itself, only the names and places have been changed, but the lesson is the same.

The truth of the rise and fall of nations and kingdoms, and individuals and families.. good and bad, are all recorded throughout the ages.

This is how I see the Bible:

Genesis: The entire onion from outer layer to the core.
Exodus: A layer is pealed, same onion with more detail.
Each consectutive book is another layer with more detail of the original book.
When you reach the book of Revelation, you are full circle with the book of Genesis.
And thus a new heaven and a new earth begins again... world without end.. forever and ever Amen.

The Gospels is a new beginning.. But in order to understand where we are, history is our guide to show us where we have been, where we are, and where we are going.
The circle of Life is encapsulated in the Bible.
There will always be parallels because that's how God made everything.
With seed within itself.. the Bible is a seed, and everything written in it is a seed, and it grows from 5 books to 66 books, and if we didn't cap it, it would still be being added to.
But nothing more was needed to add to it, because everything we ever needed to learn in kingergarten is written in that book.
And no matter how they try, they can't destroy the truth, whether by book burnings, or censorship, or war..
Truth is Truth.
You can always try to hide it, cover it up, rip out pages you don't like,
but that doesn't change the truth.

Hard to explain it.
To me, everything is a parallel of past, present and future.

Hugs
And God said Let there be Light... I AM the Light of the world.
And had no need of the sun, for the glory of God did lighten it, and the lamb is the Light thereof. In the beginning..God said.
Revelation... And I saw a new heaven and a new earth... Genesis... In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
World without end.

I don't deny parallels. But there are parallels; and then there are parallels. :)

 

[Ziggy]

Incomprehensible except that it is incomprehensible <<I look ... and saw: That day is Christ, it is the Light God created on the First day and saw that it was good.>>
Your own stuff man, your bluff. YOU, looked?! good heavens, what a catastrophe! You love to write your own <coalitions>. DUH

what are you talking about???
At least I TRY to make sense out of my posts.
I have NO IDEA what your saying.

Why are you always so grumpy?
Smile.. try it, it won't hurt.
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