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"God Has Called Us To Be The Church Outside Of Church"
By Zach Wood
Colossians 4:2-6


Because of the Good News God has given to us, we are told to share that good news with those who are lost. Jesus gives us a mission to fulfill. The Great Commission sends us out to share the good news and teach people about Christ’s Love.

The Apostle Paul talks about how we, as the church, need to live our lives so carefully each day so that others will see the Good News not only through our speech, but also through our actions and the way we live. It's one thing to talk about sharing God's Love. It's another thing to actually do it and get out there to make it real for people.

When we praise God through our tough times, it sends a very positive message to those who need to hear the good news and many become inquisitive. And through those inquisitive times, people are more open to us being able to be the church outside of the church walls. We can minister to people and share God's Love in ways we've never been able to before.

Now, more than ever, people need to hear the good news of Jesus Christ. It’s great to have our fellowship within the walls of our church, but God has called us to do so much more.
 
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"...In some parts of the world, particularly in the West, today’s culture tends to exclude God, and to consider faith a purely private issue with no relevance for the life of society. Even though the set of values underpinning society comes from the Gospel – values like the sense of the dignity of the person, of solidarity, of work and of the family –, we see a certain “eclipse of God” taking place, a kind of amnesia which, albeit not an outright rejection of Christianity, is nonetheless a denial of the treasure of our faith, a denial that could lead to the loss of our deepest identity.

For this reason, dear friends, I encourage you to strengthen your faith in God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. You are the future of society and of the Church! As the Apostle Paul wrote to the Christians of Colossae, it is vital to have roots, a solid foundation! This is particularly true today. Many people have no stable points of reference on which to build their lives, and so they end up deeply insecure. There is a growing mentality of relativism, which holds that everything is equally valid, that truth and absolute points of reference do not exist. But this way of thinking does not lead to true freedom, but rather to instability, confusion and blind conformity to the fads of the moment. As young people, you are entitled to receive from previous generations solid points of reference to help you to make choices and on which to build your lives: like a young plant which needs solid support until it can sink deep roots and become a sturdy tree capable of bearing fruit.​

2. Planted and built up in Jesus Christ
In order to highlight the importance of faith in the lives of believers, I would like to reflect with you on each of the three terms used by Saint Paul in the expression: “Planted and built up in Jesus Christ, firm in the faith” (cf. Col 2:7). We can distinguish three images: “planted” calls to mind a tree and the roots that feed it; “built up” refers to the construction of a house; “firm” indicates growth in physical or moral strength. These images are very eloquent. Before commenting on them, I would like to point out that grammatically all three terms in the original text are in the passive voice. This means that it is Christ himself who takes the initiative to plant, build up and confirm the faithful.​

The first image is that of a tree which is firmly planted thanks to its roots, which keep it upright and give it nourishment. Without those roots, it would be blown away by the wind and would die. What are our roots? Naturally our parents, our families and the culture of our country are very important elements of our personal identity. But the Bible reveals a further element. The prophet Jeremiah wrote: “Blessed are those who trust in the Lord, whose trust is the Lord. They shall be like a tree planted by water, sending out its roots by the stream. It shall not fear when heat comes, and its leaves shall stay green; in the year of drought it is not anxious, and it does not cease to bear fruit” (Jer 17:7-8). For the prophet, to send out roots means to put one’s trust in God. From him we draw our life. Without him, we cannot truly live. “God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son” (1 Jn 5:11). Jesus himself tells us that he is our life (cf. Jn 14:6). Consequently, Christian faith is not only a matter of believing that certain things are true, but above all a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. It is an encounter with the Son of God that gives new energy to the whole of our existence. When we enter into a personal relationship with him, Christ reveals our true identity and, in friendship with him, our life grows towards complete fulfilment. There is a moment, when we are young, when each of us wonders: what meaning does my life have? What purpose and direction should I give to it? This is a very important moment, and it can worry us, perhaps for some time. We start wondering about the kind of work we should take up, the kind of relationships we should establish, the friendships we should cultivate...​

Just as the roots of a tree keep it firmly planted in the soil, so the foundations of a house give it long-lasting stability. Through faith, we have been built up in Jesus Christ (cfr Col 2:7), even as a house is built on its foundations. Sacred history provides many examples of saints who built their lives on the word of God. The first is Abraham, our father in faith, who obeyed God when he was asked to leave his ancestral home and to set out for an unknown land. “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness, and he was called the friend of God” (Jas 2:23). Being built up in Jesus Christ means responding positively to God’s call, trusting in him and putting his word into practice. Jesus himself reprimanded his disciples: “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord’, and do not do what I tell you?” (Lk 6:46). He went on to use the image of building a house: “I will show you what someone is like who comes to me, listens to my words, and acts on them. That one is like a person building a house, who dug deeply and laid the foundation on rock; when the flood came, the river burst against that house but could not shake it because it had been well built” (Lk 6:47-48).​

Dear friends, build your own house on rock, just like the person who “dug deeply”. Try each day to follow Christ’s word. Listen to him as a true friend with whom you can share your path in life. With him at your side, you will find courage and hope to face difficulties and problems, and even to overcome disappointments and set-backs. You are constantly being offered easier choices, but you yourselves know that these are ultimately deceptive and cannot bring you serenity and joy. Only the word of God can show us the authentic way, and only the faith we have received is the light which shines on our path. Gratefully accept this spiritual gift which you have received from your families; strive to respond responsibly to God’s call, and to grow in your faith. Do not believe those who tell you that you don’t need others to build up your life! Find support in the faith of those who are dear to you, in the faith of the Church, and thank the Lord that you have received it and have made it your own! - Pope B16​

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The "Church Outside of the Church" reminds me of the Chinese underground church, which though no one has a very good bead on the exact number of Chinese Christians within the Chinese House Church Movement, people have conservatively put it at over 100 million saints. Then you have the Government sponsored, visible church called the Three-Self Church.


"The government has not treated the religious issue according to the Christian principle. For example, house churches believe that Christ is the head of the Church, but in current three-self system, the government has become the head," Chan pointed out the key issue. In particular, Chan criticized the restriction on evangelism within the "Three-self "system.

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House Churches in America are proliferating for other reasons.

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No such idea as the Church outside the Church exists. Either a believer is graffed in or they are cut off. Christ's True Church is not some material place on earth, not a Church building specifically, and not any one organization of man on earth. His True Church is His many-membered Body wherever... they may be. And He is calling us out of the 'world', to remain separate from this world while living in it.
 
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No such idea as the Church outside the Church exists. Either a believer is graffed in or they are cut off. Christ's True Church is not some material place on earth, not a Church building specifically, and not any one organization of man on earth. His True Church is His many-membered Body wherever... they may be. And He is calling us out of the 'world', to remain separate from this world while living in it.

Amen to that Veteran. We are the Church outside of the worldy church or you could say alongside it. Both will exist until the consummation of all things.
 

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Amen to that Veteran. We are the Church outside of the worldy church or you could say alongside it. Both will exist until the consummation of all things.

So tell me if we are, as you say: " the Church outside of the worldly church " then which church was Jesus speaking about in the following verses..

Matt. 18: 15-18 ....... " if he [ the Christian brother ] refuses to listen to them [ you and other brothers ]" TELL IT TO THE CHURCH" notice that the church as being the court of final appeal, the last resort, the place where the final decision on an issue would emanate.This verse clearly shows that His Apostolic Church [ Eph. 2: 19-20 ],which is Universal/ Catholic [ whole world ] Matt. 28: 19-20 was established with a teaching authority [ Luke 10: 16 ] that supersedes that of the individual.
Why do you refuse to listen to Christ's apostolic church? That Church being the only Church that Jesus left us with, Jesus established only "one" Church , not a collection of different churches [ Lutheran, Baptists, Anglican, etc. ] .
 

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Amen to that Veteran. We are the Church outside of the worldy church or you could say alongside it. Both will exist until the consummation of all things.

By "worldly Church", do you mean churches that ordain women, or endorse abortion/euthanasia, or ordain openly gay bishops, or are silent on contraception that destroys marriages?

Or the worldly Church that says each individual bible reader is their own pope?
 

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By "worldly Church", do you mean churches that ordain women, or endorse abortion/euthanasia, or ordain openly gay bishops, or are silent on contraception that destroys marriages?

Or the worldly Church that says each individual bible reader is their own pope?

Axehead will not answer your questions kepha , because if he gave honests answers to your questions in your post #7 he might find his whole Protestant position collapsing in ruins. LOL
 

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So tell me if we are, as you say: " the Church outside of the worldly church " then which church was Jesus speaking about in the following verses..

Matt. 18: 15-18 ....... " if he [ the Christian brother ] refuses to listen to them [ you and other brothers ]" TELL IT TO THE CHURCH" notice that the church as being the court of final appeal, the last resort, the place where the final decision on an issue would emanate.This verse clearly shows that His Apostolic Church [ Eph. 2: 19-20 ],which is Universal/ Catholic [ whole world ] Matt. 28: 19-20 was established with a teaching authority [ Luke 10: 16 ] that supersedes that of the individual.
Why do you refuse to listen to Christ's apostolic church? That Church being the only Church that Jesus left us with, Jesus established only "one" Church , not a collection of different churches [ Lutheran, Baptists, Anglican, etc. ] .

This is nothing more than Catholic MYTH.

The very FIRST established 'outward' Church in Europe was in Britain, and it had NOTHING to do with a pope. The idea of a pope didn't even start until around the 3rd-4th centuries A.D. Even with Christ's seven Messages sent to the seven Churches in Asia Minor that pattern shows NO pope in authority over them, but only Christ Jesus Himself.

Per God's Word, below Christ the king is the earthly authority for the Church, then bishops, etc.
 

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Axehead will not answer your questions kepha , because if he gave honests answers to your questions in your post #7 he might find his whole Protestant position collapsing in ruins. LOL

Give me a chance, Neo. May I finish my coffee first and wake up? You're such a sweetheart.
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By "worldly Church", do you mean churches that ordain women, or endorse abortion/euthanasia, or ordain openly gay bishops, or are silent on contraception that destroys marriages?

Or the worldly Church that says each individual bible reader is their own pope?

Kepha,

When one recognizes what the spiritual reality of Christianity is they then should realize that the Church is antithetical to the world system which has it's own religious "Messiahs". All so-called "churches" that do not have the "spiritual reality of Christianity" are worldly churches. The "reality" that they do have will be expressed in their character as individuals and as a "body" or more aptly, "organization".

The Word of God (Jesus, Spirit of Christ) will help you discern the false, worldly church from the true church. The Scriptures are essential, too.

You may want to read about the 7 churches in Revelation for more insight.


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This is nothing more than Catholic MYTH.

The very FIRST established 'outward' Church in Europe was in Britain, and it had NOTHING to do with a pope.

What a strange statement. Define "outward Church".

Do you mean the outward Church defined by Hebert W. Armstrong?
Or the outward Church declared by King Henry VIII who made himself "pope"" by British parliament?

Or when St. Augustine went to Britain in 597, sent by Pope Gregory? Was your "outward Church" in Britain before that and what evidence do you have?


The idea of a pope didn't even start until around the 3rd-4th centuries A.D.

This is anti-Catholic myth. The title was not in use at this time, but the role certainly was there. Jesus established the papacy, the papacy didn't establish the papacy or would never have lasted this long. You have to re-write all of early church history to support your contention (which anti-Catholics do anyway). Any discussion with a radical revisionist is a waste of time.

Papacy debate, Mark Bonocore opening statement


Even with Christ's seven Messages sent to the seven Churches in Asia Minor that pattern shows NO pope in authority over them, but only Christ Jesus Himself.

You create the typical false dichotomy between the authority of Christ and HIS authority he grants to mere human beings here on earth.

Isa.22:22

Matthew 16:19

Revelation 3:7

And you can't see divinely appointed authority to mere human beings here on earth in any of these verses. :wacko:

Per God's Word, below Christ the king is the earthly authority for the Church, then bishops, etc.

That's what I am trying to tell you.

Give me a chance, Neo. May I finish my coffee first and wake up? You're such a sweetheart.
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Kepha,

When one recognizes what the spiritual reality of Christianity is they then should realize that the Church is antithetical to the world system which has it's own religious "Messiahs". All so-called "churches" that do not have the "spiritual reality of Christianity" are worldly churches. The "reality" that they do have will be expressed in their character as individuals and as a "body" or more aptly, "organization".

The Word of God (Jesus, Spirit of Christ) will help you discern the false, worldly church from the true church. The Scriptures are essential, too.

You may want to read about the 7 churches in Revelation for more insight.


Axehead

Your right, neophyte. Axehead evades the questions, and pretends he has answered them.
 

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What a strange statement. Define "outward Church".

Do you mean the outward Church defined by Hebert W. Armstrong?
Or the outward Church declared by King Henry VIII who made himself "pope"" by British parliament?

Or when St. Augustine went to Britain in 597, sent by Pope Gregory? Was your "outward Church" in Britain before that and what evidence do you have?

The evidence is in your own 'outward' Church's councils, and yes, including Augustine's visit to Britain and discovering already established bishops of Christ's Church there.

Britain's early Culdee Church history pre-dates the Catholic Church history and that of a pope.

Histories (Tacitus-Annals) still exists about pagan Rome concerning the Christian Britons taken captive, like Caractacus and Gladys, Christians from early Briton captive in Rome, with Claudia, the daughter of Gladys, later being adopted by emporer Claudius, and her marrying a Roman senator named Rufus Pudens Pudentius who traveled back and forth to Britain. Claudia existed in Rome around the time Apostle Paul was there (A.D. 56 per Jerome).

Now what's the coincedence that all three, Pudens, Claudia, and their son Linus are all mentioned in the same sentence by Apostle Paul?

2 Tim 4:21
21 Do thy diligence to come before winter. Eubulus greeteth thee, and Pudens, and Linus, and Claudia, and all the brethren.
(KJV)
 
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What a strange statement. Define "outward Church".

Do you mean the outward Church defined by Hebert W. Armstrong?
Or the outward Church declared by King Henry VIII who made himself "pope"" by British parliament?

Or when St. Augustine went to Britain in 597, sent by Pope Gregory? Was your "outward Church" in Britain before that and what evidence do you have?




This is anti-Catholic myth. The title was not in use at this time, but the role certainly was there. Jesus established the papacy, the papacy didn't establish the papacy or would never have lasted this long. You have to re-write all of early church history to support your contention (which anti-Catholics do anyway). Any discussion with a radical revisionist is a waste of time.

Papacy debate, Mark Bonocore opening statement




You create the typical false dichotomy between the authority of Christ and HIS authority he grants to mere human beings here on earth.

Isa.22:22

Matthew 16:19

Revelation 3:7

And you can't see divinely appointed authority to mere human beings here on earth in any of these verses. :wacko:



That's what I am trying to tell you.



Your right, neophyte. Axehead evades the questions, and pretends he has answered them.

If you knew the Lord, Kepha and Neo, you would recognize the Church and the Lord's children and you would be encouraging and strengthening the church rather than fighting against His people and striving to prove the validity of your religious organization. You are two incredibly insecure individuals.

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[sup]27 [/sup]“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. [sup]28 [/sup]Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

[sup]29 [/sup]“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, [sup]30 [/sup]and say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.’
 

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The evidence is in your own 'outward' Church's councils, and yes, including Augustine's visit to Britain and discovering already established bishops of Christ's Church there.

Britain's early Culdee Church history pre-dates the Catholic Church history and that of a pope.

Histories (Tacitus-Annals) still exists about pagan Rome concerning the Christian Britons taken captive, like Caractacus and Gladys, Christians from early Briton captive in Rome, with Claudia, the daughter of Gladys, later being adopted by emporer Claudius, and her marrying a Roman senator named Rufus Pudens Pudentius who traveled back and forth to Britain. Claudia existed in Rome around the time Apostle Paul was there (A.D. 56 per Jerome).

Now what's the coincedence that all three, Pudens, Claudia, and their son Linus are all mentioned in the same sentence by Apostle Paul?

2 Tim 4:21
21 Do thy diligence to come before winter. Eubulus greeteth thee, and Pudens, and Linus, and Claudia, and all the brethren.
(KJV)

The Internet is run amuck with "histories".A source would help, and you didn't give one. Tacitus died in 117 AD , the year of Sixtus, the 7th Pope. Christians being taken captive by pagan Romans in Britian doesn't prove Pudens, and Linus, and Claudia were apart from the Church. They were taught by Paul, as you indicated. Christian influence may have gotten ahead of apostolic mission, but that doesn't prove they were a Church.

If the Culdee were separated from Apostolic Teaching in Britain, had no Bibles, and had no priests or bishops, that does not disprove the Papacy. It may explain deviances in their culturally influenced practices. Some of them were circumcising. All it proves is that somebody forgot to put paper in the fax machines. But face it, we know very little about the Culdee.

The 2nd pope listed is most likely this Linus. Clement Philippians 4:22 , described as a fellow laborer by Paul, means he was a bishop. He became the fourth pope.
  1. St. Peter (32-67)
  2. St. Linus (67-76)
  3. St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
  4. St. Clement I (88-97)
  5. St. Evaristus (97-105)
  6. St. Alexander I (105-115)
  7. St. Sixtus I (115-125) Also called Xystus I
263. Paul VI (1963-78)
264. John Paul I (1978)
265. John Paul II (1978-2005)
266. Benedict XVI (2005—)
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If you knew the Lord, Kepha and Neo, you would recognize the Church and the Lord's children and you would be encouraging and strengthening the church rather than fighting against His people and striving to prove the validity of your religious organization. You are two incredibly insecure individuals.

Axehead
You are the one claiming to be "the Church outside the worldly church" suggesting Catholicism is a worldly church, and veteran asserted a falsehood. Maybe I would spend more time encouraging and strengthening if we weren't attacked in every thread. DUH! HELLO???

I fully recognize His people in all denominations, it's self proclaimed authorities in a church of one that I don't recognize.

Anti-Catholics are critical of the Pope but none of them bother to read his words. See post #2, and its not even an infallible declaration. It's applicable to all, not just Catholics. Criticize that and then tell me how much I am not encouraging and strengthening.

It seems Rex's post is misdirected.
 

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The Internet is run amuck with "histories".A source would help, and you didn't give one. Tacitus died in 117 AD , the year of Sixtus, the 7th Pope. Christians being taken captive by pagan Romans in Britian doesn't prove Pudens, and Linus, and Claudia were apart from the Church. They were taught by Paul, as you indicated. Christian influence may have gotten ahead of apostolic mission, but that doesn't prove they were a Church.

If the Culdee were separated from Apostolic Teaching in Britain, had no Bibles, and had no priests or bishops, that does not disprove the Papacy. It may explain deviances in their culturally influenced practices. Some of them were circumcising. All it proves is that somebody forgot to put paper in the fax machines. But face it, we know very little about the Culdee.

The 2nd pope listed is most likely this Linus. Clement Philippians 4:22 , described as a fellow laborer by Paul, means he was a bishop. He became the fourth pope.
  1. St. Peter (32-67)
  2. St. Linus (67-76)
  3. St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
  4. St. Clement I (88-97)
  5. St. Evaristus (97-105)
  6. St. Alexander I (105-115)
  7. St. Sixtus I (115-125) Also called Xystus I
263. Paul VI (1963-78)
264. John Paul I (1978)
265. John Paul II (1978-2005)
266. Benedict XVI (2005—)
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You are the one claiming to be "the Church outside the worldly church" suggesting Catholicism is a worldly church, and veteran asserted a falsehood. Maybe I would spend more time encouraging and strengthening if we weren't attacked in every thread. DUH! HELLO???

I fully recognize His people in all denominations, it's self proclaimed authorities in a church of one that I don't recognize.

Anti-Catholics are critical of the Pope but none of them bother to read his words. See post #2, and its not even an infallible declaration. It's applicable to all, not just Catholics. Criticize that and then tell me how much I am not encouraging and strengthening.

It seems Rex's post is misdirected.

Ok, let's try this. Let's proclaim the obvious, that Jesus Christ is the Authority over His Church. Now, how about you and me gather around that? I can do that, can you? I mean that is pretty much Peter's confession. Peter is simply saying what every true believer has confessed in their heart when they came to the Lord. "You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God." Peter had to believe that in his heart as well as Paul and John and all the Apostles and all Believers since that time to now. And on that confession, that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God, the Church is being built. Jesus is the Foundation, the Cornerstone and the ROCK as explained in many other scriptures OLD and NEW Testament. Jesus is the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets and our foundation, too. There is no mistaking that JESUS CHRIST is the ROCK. If you can gather around that, then I'm with you. But, I cannot gather unto men, Pope's or Priest's or Protestant Bishops or Pastors. I can only gather WITH men UNTO the LORD.

I don't know of any self-proclaimed authorities in a church of one. Can you give me an example? If a church only has one it is not a church. If a Christian is in prison, he is still one with the Lord, but I don't think you are talking about that. Every Christian no matter if they have fellowship in 3D or not, is always part of the Body of Christ. God does not lose track of His sons.

Axehead

The evidence is in your own 'outward' Church's councils, and yes, including Augustine's visit to Britain and discovering already established bishops of Christ's Church there.

Britain's early Culdee Church history pre-dates the Catholic Church history and that of a pope.

Histories (Tacitus-Annals) still exists about pagan Rome concerning the Christian Britons taken captive, like Caractacus and Gladys, Christians from early Briton captive in Rome, with Claudia, the daughter of Gladys, later being adopted by emporer Claudius, and her marrying a Roman senator named Rufus Pudens Pudentius who traveled back and forth to Britain. Claudia existed in Rome around the time Apostle Paul was there (A.D. 56 per Jerome).

Now what's the coincedence that all three, Pudens, Claudia, and their son Linus are all mentioned in the same sentence by Apostle Paul?

2 Tim 4:21
21 Do thy diligence to come before winter. Eubulus greeteth thee, and Pudens, and Linus, and Claudia, and all the brethren.
(KJV)

Veteran,

I had never known that. That is really a cool connection.
 

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"God Has Called Us To Be The Church Outside Of Church"
By Zach Wood
Colossians 4:2-6


Because of the Good News God has given to us, we are told to share that good news with those who are lost. Jesus gives us a mission to fulfill. The Great Commission sends us out to share the good news and teach people about Christ’s Love.

The Apostle Paul talks about how we, as the church, need to live our lives so carefully each day so that others will see the Good News not only through our speech, but also through our actions and the way we live. It's one thing to talk about sharing God's Love. It's another thing to actually do it and get out there to make it real for people.

When we praise God through our tough times, it sends a very positive message to those who need to hear the good news and many become inquisitive. And through those inquisitive times, people are more open to us being able to be the church outside of the church walls. We can minister to people and share God's Love in ways we've never been able to before.

Now, more than ever, people need to hear the good news of Jesus Christ. It’s great to have our fellowship within the walls of our church, but God has called us to do so much more.

I enjoyed reading that article by Zac. Thanks hldude! :)
Bless ya!
 

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Veteran,

I had never known that. That is really a cool connection.

Yes, it is a cool connection, a history of the early Culdee Church in Britain that many within the Roman Church have tried to bury. See also about Glatonbury, where one of the very first Churches was built in early Briton.

The earliest usage of the title of 'pope' was in the 3rd century A.D. Peter never had the idea of a 'pope' and nor did he ever call himself by that title. It has been later assigned... to Peter by the Catholic Church according to their own 'later'... tradition of a "bishop of bishops" (originally meaning).

One should read the original 1st edition 1611 King James Version which contained two Letters by the translators, and how they did not recognize the authority of a 'pope' in Rome. The bishops in Scotland said almost the same things to Augustine when he first visited there trying to push authority of a pope in Rome.
 

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Yes, it is a cool connection, a history of the early Culdee Church in Britain that many within the Roman Church have tried to bury. See also about Glatonbury, where one of the very first Churches was built in early Briton.

So what. Peter was the first Pope by virtue of his function, not by virtue of a term that came later. Throwing in the ancient Culdee or Glatonbury doesn't disprove the papacy.

The earliest usage of the title of 'pope' was in the 3rd century A.D. Peter never had the idea of a 'pope' and nor did he ever call himself by that title. It has been later assigned... to Peter by the Catholic Church according to their own 'later'... tradition of a "bishop of bishops" (originally meaning).

Sorry vet, all you have is an assertion. The line of succession is well documented.

The writings of the Early Church Fathers demonstrate that the true, holy, and universal (catholic) Church of the past provides the basis of the Catholic Church of today.​

Protestant naysayers of Catholicism sometimes claim that the church fell into apostasy during the first few centuries. One problem with this claim is that the leaders of the church were developing the foundational doctrines of the Christian faith in response to heresy at the same time that they were teaching those doctrines which these Protestants claim are false doctrines and which are foundational to the Catholic Church. For example, they were developing the doctrines of the Trinity and the inerrant of scripture, and were formulating the canon of scripture at the same time they were writing about the mass, the Eucharist, Apostolic succession, priestly celibacy, and the papacy.

Most Protestant denominations are based on core doctrines which were formulated by the early church. To these doctrines the various Protestant denominations have added doctrines which were invented by the Protestant Reformers, such as Sola Scriptura (scripture alone); Sola Fide (faith alone); Calvinism; communion and baptism as mere symbols; and many others.​

Reflections on the Papacy: The Primacy of St. Peter & Biblical Evidences

50 New Testament Proofs for Petrine Primacy and the Papacy


Exchange on Biblical Indications of Papal Succession and the Development and Nature of the Papacy


The Nature of Papal Leadership: "Servant of Servants"


One should read the original 1st edition 1611 King James Version which contained two Letters by the translators, and how they did not recognize the authority of a 'pope' in Rome. The bishops in Scotland said almost the same things to Augustine when he first visited there trying to push authority of a pope in Rome.

In 1611, the translators of the KJV were anti-Catholics. You should try reading Augustine before making off the cuff remarks about his nature.
 

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One should be aware that there were martyrs at the hands of the clergy in Britain also when there were attempts to get God's Word in the common English to the people. Just as in Rome, there were clergy in Britain too that were trying to keep God's Word out of the hands of the common people. King James became the high defender of the people's right to read God's Word for theirselves when he ordered the matter to be settled with a version in English all could agree upon.