God's foreknowledge and our free will

[ATP]

The Harbinger book by Jonathan Cahn really opened my eyes to this topic in general. Did those politicians and people know that they were acting out Isa 9:10?

Ez 38:10 NIV “ ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme.

Mark 14:30 NIV “Truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “today—yes, tonight—before the rooster crows twice you yourself will disown me three times.”

Rom 2:4 NIV Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?

Rom 9:13-24 NIV Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” 14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. 19One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ” 21Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use? 22What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?

Eph 1:4-5 NIV For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will.

Eph 1:11-12 NIV In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory.

Phil 1:6 NIV being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

- ATP

 

[Butch5]

The Harbinger book by Jonathan Cahn really opened my eyes to this topic in general. Did those politicians and people know that they were acting out Isa 9:10?

Ez 38:10 NIV “ ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme.

Mark 14:30 NIV “Truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “today—yes, tonight—before the rooster crows twice you yourself will disown me three times.”

Rom 2:4 NIV Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?

Rom 9:13-24 NIV Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” 14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. 19One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ” 21Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use? 22What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?

Eph 1:4-5 NIV For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will.

Eph 1:11-12 NIV In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory.

Phil 1:6 NIV being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

- ATP

What are your thoughts here?

 

[ATP]

What are your thoughts here?

Say for example, a mother puts a bowl of ice cream and a bowl of flower in front of her child. The mom knows which one the child will take, but that doesn't effect the child's free will. But that's a bad example because you can't compare an earthly mother to God's omniscience. If the politicians and the others had no idea they were acting out Isa 9:10 as judgment, then why did they do it if they had free will.

 

[Butch5]

Say for example, a mother puts a bowl of ice cream and a bowl of flower in front of her child. The mom knows which one the child will take, but that doesn't effect the child's free will. But that's a bad example because you can't compare an earthly mother to God's omniscience. If the politicians and the others had no idea they were acting out Isa 9:10 as judgment, then why did they do it if they had free will.

I'm not understanding what you mean.

 

[ATP]

I'm not understanding what you mean.

Did you see the Isaiah 9:10 dvd, by Jonathan Cahn.

 

[Butch5]

Did you see the Isaiah 9:10 dvd, by Jonathan Cahn.

No, I didn't.

 

[pom2014]

I've a better more clearer example.

At the last supper our King gave the sop to judas.
Judas received it and the King told him to do what he had chosen to do.

The King knew what Judas was going to do. But still gave him the sop.

 

[ATP]

No, I didn't.

I recommend the items below. I guarantee you will be blown away. The Shemitah year is actually every seven years, and something always big occurs in the financial realm. Combine the Shemitah with the 2015 blood moons, and we have a show ladies and gentlemen. Many are saying that 2015 will be the most prophetic year in this century. In Isa 9:10, the politicians in the highest order of american government declared judgment on themselves without them even knowing it. Absolutely mind boggling. Why did they do that, why didn't they know what the scripture was about? They were acting in defiance against God and playing out a 2,000 year old judgment scripture without even realizing what they were saying, and atheists are still wondering if there's a God? lol. I would submit that God certainly has a sense of humor, mainly because half the world hasn't a clue about any of this.

Isa 9:10 - youtube - watch?v=ukYiWd3T9sk
Isa 9:10 - youtube - watch?v=Ts1IOn57a6s
We will rebuild - youtube - watch?v=5HBJ9v5KxPo
Isa 9:10 dvd - youtube - watch?v=ur2S-ajcljY / youtube - watch?v=oQDZ5SXUTTs
Isa 9:10 dvd - http://www.amazon.com/Isaiah-Judgment-Ancient-Foretells-Americas/dp/1936488191/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1426625836&sr=1-1&keywords=Isa+9%3A10
The Harbinger book - http://www.amazon.com/Harbinger-Ancient-Mystery-Secret-Americas/dp/161638610X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1426625679&sr=1-1&keywords=the+harbinger
The Shemitah book - http://www.amazon.com/The-Mystery-Shemitah-000-Year-Old-Americas/dp/1629981931/ref=pd_sim_b_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=056E823E79ZGHYVR06Q1

P.S. This one gave me chills...youtube - watch?v=0kxOCP1pFt0 - ATP

"This is the only time in history you've had the super blood moon in a Shemitah year as part of four blood moons". - Mark Blitz

 

[Butch5]

I recommend the items below. I guarantee you will be blown away. The Shemitah year is actually every seven years, and something always big occurs in the financial realm. Combine the Shemitah with the 2015 blood moons, and we have a show ladies and gentlemen. Many are saying that 2015 will be the most prophetic year in this century. In Isa 9:10, the politicians in the highest order of american government declared judgment on themselves without them even knowing it. Absolutely mind boggling. Why did they do that, why didn't they know what the scripture was about? They were acting in defiance against God and playing out a 2,000 year old judgment scripture without even realizing what they were saying, and atheists are still wondering if there's a God? lol. I would submit that God certainly has a sense of humor, mainly because half the world hasn't a clue about any of this.

Isa 9:10 - youtube - watch?v=ukYiWd3T9sk
Isa 9:10 - youtube - watch?v=Ts1IOn57a6s
We will rebuild - youtube - watch?v=5HBJ9v5KxPo
Isa 9:10 dvd - youtube - watch?v=ur2S-ajcljY / youtube - watch?v=oQDZ5SXUTTs
Isa 9:10 dvd - http://www.amazon.com/Isaiah-Judgment-Ancient-Foretells-Americas/dp/1936488191/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1426625836&sr=1-1&keywords=Isa+9%3A10
The Harbinger book - http://www.amazon.com/Harbinger-Ancient-Mystery-Secret-Americas/dp/161638610X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1426625679&sr=1-1&keywords=the+harbinger
The Shemitah book - http://www.amazon.com/The-Mystery-Shemitah-000-Year-Old-Americas/dp/1629981931/ref=pd_sim_b_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=056E823E79ZGHYVR06Q1

P.S. This one gave me chills...youtube - watch?v=0kxOCP1pFt0 - ATP

"This is the only time in history you've had the super blood moon in a Shemitah year as part of four blood moons". - Mark Blitz

I looked at some of the You Tube videos. It's interesting.

 

[ATP]

I looked at some of the You Tube videos. It's interesting.

What are your thoughts.

 

[Butch5]

What are your thoughts.

I'm not sure. I'd need to research it a little more.

 

[ATP]

I'm not sure. I'd need to research it a little more.

No problem my friend. I would recommend anyone to start with these........

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1936488191/ref=s9_simh_gw_p14_d1_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=001HP74GSTVCN2W8KQ8S&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=1970559082&pf_rd_i=desktop

http://www.amazon.com/The-Harbinger-Ancient-Mystery-Americas/dp/161638610X/ref=pd_sim_mov_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=1BT8T35R10PN28ADF2CK

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1629981931/ref=s9_simh_gw_p14_d0_i3?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=08TEC3SZX427XVMMHT2R&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=1970559082&pf_rd_i=desktop

http://www.amazon.com/Four-Blood-Moons-Something-Change/dp/1617952141/ref=pd_sim_b_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=158EECZM84MKPV3BY8VQ

Shalom, ATP.

 

[ATP]

I'm not sure. I'd need to research it a little more.

Genesis 1:14 NIV And God said, "Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years.

Book - Blood Moons: Decoding the Imminent Heavenly Signs starring Mark Biltz
Book - Four Blood Moons: Something Is About to Change by John Hagee
DVD - Blood Moons: Decoding the Imminent Heavenly Signs starring Mark Biltz

Book - The Harbinger: by Jonathan Cahn
Book - The Harbinger Companion With Study Guide: by Jonathan Cahn
DVD - The Harbinger Decoded starring Jonathan Cahn
DVD - The Isa 9:10 Judgment: starring Jonathan Cahn

Book - The Mystery of the Shemitah: by Jonathan Cahn
DVD - The Mystery of the Shemitah Unlocked: starring Jonathan Cahn

Book - Blood Moon God's Warning: Jewish Feasts and the Blood Moons of 2014 and 2015 by J. Nell Brown
Book - The Feasts of the Lord: God's Prophetic Calendar from Calvary to the Kingdom by Kevin Howard
DVD - Feasts of the Lord with Study Guide starring Mark Biltz

A Tetrad is when you have four blood moons inside two years. These are the dates and events in which Tetrads have landed on Jewish holidays...

1. 162-163 AD - Occurred on the Jewish Passover and Feast of Tabernacles; coincided at the height of the worst persecution of Jews and Christians in the history of the Roman Empire. Thousands were martyred in Rome's arenas. Rome was suddenly flooded by the Tiberas River in the spring of 162 AD, leading to severe famine and a plague that killed 1/3 of the Roman Empire's population. Prophetic significance: Jews remain scattered.

2. 795-796 AD - Occurred on the Jewish Passover and Yom Kippur; coincided with King Charlemagne of the Holy Roman Empire establishing a buffer zone between France and Spain which halted Islamic invasions into Western Europe. This was a key turning point in spread of Christianity in Europe and stability of Jews in the region. Prophetic significance: Jews remain scattered.

3. 842-843 AD - Occurred on the Jewish Passover and Yom Kippur; coincided with the break-up of the Carolingian Empire in Europe, weakening the position of Jews in Europe and setting the stage for their future persecution. This also led to Rome being sacked and the Vatican being looted by Islamic armies. Prophetic significance: Jews remain scattered.

4. 860-861 AD - Occurred on the Jewish Passover and the Feast of Tabernacles; coincided with the Greeks of the Byzantine Empire permanently stopping the Islamic invasion of Eastern Europe. This kept Islam confined to Asia Minor and the Middle East, allowing the continued spread of Christianity in Europe, thus allowing Jews to live in relatively security. Prophetic significance: Jews remain scattered.

5. 1493-1494 AD - Occurred on the Jewish Passover and the Feast of Trumpets; coincided with the Spanish Inquisition when the King of Spain ordered all Jews to leave the country. The Jews had settled in the region about 200 AD and thus Spain became a second Jewish homeland. This also coincided with Christopher Columbus' discovering of America, which is home today for more than 5 million Jews outside Israel. Prophetic significance: Jews remain scattered.

6. 1949-1950 AD - Occurred on the Jewish Passover and the Feast of Tabernacles; coincided with (1) the rebirth of Israel as an independent nation on May 14, 1948, (2) the winning of the Israeli War for Independence and the first official permanent government on January 25th, 1949, and (3) the Knesset passing the "Law of Return" on July 5, 1950 which gave Jews the right to settle in Israel and obtain citizenship . Prophetic significance: Jews regathered, Israel a nation.

7. 1967-1968 AD - Occurred on the Jewish Passover and the Feast of Tabernacles; coincided with the "6-Day War" of June 5-10, 1967 with Israel retaking of Jerusalem and capturing critical portions of land including Judea, Samaria, the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank and the Golan Heights. Prophetic significance: Jews regathered, Israel a nation, Jerusalem regained.

8. 2014-2015 AD -

 

[Butch5]

Genesis 1:14 NIV And God said, "Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years.

Book - Blood Moons: Decoding the Imminent Heavenly Signs starring Mark Biltz
Book - Four Blood Moons: Something Is About to Change by John Hagee
DVD - Blood Moons: Decoding the Imminent Heavenly Signs starring Mark Biltz

Book - The Harbinger: by Jonathan Cahn
Book - The Harbinger Companion With Study Guide: by Jonathan Cahn
DVD - The Harbinger Decoded starring Jonathan Cahn
DVD - The Isa 9:10 Judgment: starring Jonathan Cahn

Book - The Mystery of the Shemitah: by Jonathan Cahn
DVD - The Mystery of the Shemitah Unlocked: starring Jonathan Cahn

Book - Blood Moon God's Warning: Jewish Feasts and the Blood Moons of 2014 and 2015 by J. Nell Brown
Book - The Feasts of the Lord: God's Prophetic Calendar from Calvary to the Kingdom by Kevin Howard
DVD - Feasts of the Lord with Study Guide starring Mark Biltz

A Tetrad is when you have four blood moons inside two years. These are the dates and events in which Tetrads have landed on Jewish holidays...

1. 162-163 AD - Occurred on the Jewish Passover and Feast of Tabernacles; coincided at the height of the worst persecution of Jews and Christians in the history of the Roman Empire. Thousands were martyred in Rome's arenas. Rome was suddenly flooded by the Tiberas River in the spring of 162 AD, leading to severe famine and a plague that killed 1/3 of the Roman Empire's population. Prophetic significance: Jews remain scattered.

2. 795-796 AD - Occurred on the Jewish Passover and Yom Kippur; coincided with King Charlemagne of the Holy Roman Empire establishing a buffer zone between France and Spain which halted Islamic invasions into Western Europe. This was a key turning point in spread of Christianity in Europe and stability of Jews in the region. Prophetic significance: Jews remain scattered.

3. 842-843 AD - Occurred on the Jewish Passover and Yom Kippur; coincided with the break-up of the Carolingian Empire in Europe, weakening the position of Jews in Europe and setting the stage for their future persecution. This also led to Rome being sacked and the Vatican being looted by Islamic armies. Prophetic significance: Jews remain scattered.

4. 860-861 AD - Occurred on the Jewish Passover and the Feast of Tabernacles; coincided with the Greeks of the Byzantine Empire permanently stopping the Islamic invasion of Eastern Europe. This kept Islam confined to Asia Minor and the Middle East, allowing the continued spread of Christianity in Europe, thus allowing Jews to live in relatively security. Prophetic significance: Jews remain scattered.

5. 1493-1494 AD - Occurred on the Jewish Passover and the Feast of Trumpets; coincided with the Spanish Inquisition when the King of Spain ordered all Jews to leave the country. The Jews had settled in the region about 200 AD and thus Spain became a second Jewish homeland. This also coincided with Christopher Columbus' discovering of America, which is home today for more than 5 million Jews outside Israel. Prophetic significance: Jews remain scattered.

6. 1949-1950 AD - Occurred on the Jewish Passover and the Feast of Tabernacles; coincided with (1) the rebirth of Israel as an independent nation on May 14, 1948, (2) the winning of the Israeli War for Independence and the first official permanent government on January 25th, 1949, and (3) the Knesset passing the "Law of Return" on July 5, 1950 which gave Jews the right to settle in Israel and obtain citizenship . Prophetic significance: Jews regathered, Israel a nation.

7. 1967-1968 AD - Occurred on the Jewish Passover and the Feast of Tabernacles; coincided with the "6-Day War" of June 5-10, 1967 with Israel retaking of Jerusalem and capturing critical portions of land including Judea, Samaria, the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank and the Golan Heights. Prophetic significance: Jews regathered, Israel a nation, Jerusalem regained.

8. 2014-2015 AD -

Hi ATP,

This is interesting, but at present I don't think the reestablishment of Israel is necessarily prophecy fulfilled. The nation as whole is far from God at this point. I don't think they have turned back to God yet.


Have you read "The Time of the End?"

 

[ATP]

This is interesting, but at present I don't think the reestablishment of Israel is necessarily prophecy fulfilled. The nation as whole is far from God at this point. I don't think they have turned back to God yet.

Well, that's the thing. Nobody knows what's going to happen. Many believe judgment will fall upon america. Either way, mine eyes are open.

Have you read "The Time of the End?"

I have not, but I will add to my list. What's it about.

 

[Butch5]

Well, that's the thing. Nobody knows what's going to happen. Many believe judgment will fall upon america. Either way, mine eyes are open.




I have not, but I will add to my list. What's it about.

Hi ATP,

I think judgment has to fall on America to set up the end time events, which I believe are very close. I think all that we see going on with Iran and all of these Middle East countries are setting the stage for the next 20 years or so. Are you familiar with the Early Christians and the teaching of 6000 years?

 

[ATP]

I think judgment has to fall on America to set up the end time events, which I believe are very close. I think all that we see going on with Iran and all of these Middle East countries are setting the stage for the next 20 years or so.

Isa 9:10 warning has already come to america, in 2001 and 2008. The Harbingers have already manifested in america. So it is close. I agree.

Are you familiar with the Early Christians and the teaching of 6000 years?

I don't think so, please expand.

 

[Butch5]

Isa 9:10 warning has already come to america, in 2001 and 2008. The Harbingers have already manifested in america. So it is close. I agree.


I don't think so, please expand.

The Early Christians taught that man would be under the curse for 6000 years and then the end would come. They said that the day of creation where both literal and prophecy. God worked for 6 days and rested on the 7th. David said,

4 For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night. (Psa 90:4 NKJ)

When asked about the delay in the Lord's return Peter alludes to this passage saying,

8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (2Pe 3:8 NKJ)

The Early Christians taught that for each day of creation there would be 1000 years until the consummation, thus 6000 years. John tells us that the kingdom reign of Christ will be 1000 years. This is the 7th day. Paul quotes David in making the case that the 7th day one which God rested equates to the Sabbath rest of believers.

3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath,`They shall not enter My rest1,'" although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: "And God rested on the seventh day from all His works1";
5 and again in this place: "They shall not enter My rest1."
6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,
7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, "Today," after such a long time, as it has been said: "Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts1."
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
(Heb 4:3-9 NKJ)

The word rest here is Sabbath. Paul equates the 7th day with the Sabbath rest of God.

Here are a few quotes from the early Christians.

[SIZE=28pt]The Early Church and Six Thousand Years[/SIZE]​

[SIZE=14pt]Psalm 90:4[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night. [/SIZE]​

[SIZE=14pt]2 Peter 3:8[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. [/SIZE]​

[SIZE=14pt]Clement of Rome[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] (AD, 30-100), Justin (AD, 110-165) and Irenaeus (AD, 120-202) [/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]“And the fact that it was not said of the seventh day equally with the other days, ‘And there was evening, and there was morning,’ is a distinct indication of the consummation which is to take place in it before it is finished, as the fathers declare, especially St. Clement, and Irenaeus, and Justin the martyr and philosopher.‛” (From the writings of Anastasius)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Fragments of Papias[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt], (AD, 70-155)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]“Taking occasion from Papias of Hierapolis, the illustrious, a disciple of the apostle who leaned on the bosom of Christ, and Clemens, and Pantaenus the priest of [the Church] of the Alexandrians, and the wise Ammonius, the ancient and first expositors, who agreed with each other, who understood the work of the six days as referring to Christ and the whole Church.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Barnabas[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt], (AD 70-130)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]““And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it.” Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, “He finished in six days.” This implieth that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifieth, saying, “Behold, to-day will be as a thousand years.” (Ps. 90:4; 2 Pet. 3:8) Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. “And He rested on the seventh day.” This meaneth: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Irenaeus[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt], (AD, 120-202) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]“But when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple at Jerusalem; and then the Lord will come from heaven in the clouds, in the glory of the Father, sending this man and those who follow him into the lake of fire; but bringing in for the righteous the times of the kingdom, that is, the rest, the hallowed seventh day; and restoring to Abraham the promised inheritance, in which kingdom the Lord declared, that “many coming from the east and from the west should sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.” (Matt. 8:11)”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt] “[He gives this] as a summing up of the whole of that apostasy which has taken place during six thousand years. 3. For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: “Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works.” (Gen. 2:2) This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years; (2 Pet. 3:8) and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt] “Thus, then, the six hundred years of Noah, in whose time the deluge occurred because of the apostasy, and the number of the cubits of the image for which these just men were sent into the fiery furnace, do indicate the number of the name of that man in whom is concentrated the whole apostasy of six thousand years, and unrighteousness, and wickedness, and false prophecy, and deception; for which things’ sake a cataclysm of fire shall also come [upon the earth].”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt] “These are [to take place] in the times of the kingdom, that is, upon the seventh day, which has been sanctified, in which God rested from all the works which He created, which is the true Sabbath of the righteous, which they shall not be engaged in any earthly occupation; but shall have a table at hand prepared for them by God, supplying them with all sorts of dishes.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt] “For what are the hundred-fold [rewards] in this word, the entertainments given to the poor, and the suppers for which a return is made? These are [to take place] in the times of the kingdom, that is, upon the seventh day, which has been sanctified, in which God rested from all the works which He created, which is the true Sabbath of the righteous, which they shall not be engaged in any earthly occupation; but shall have a table at hand prepared for them by God, supplying them with all sorts of dishes.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Hippolytus[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt], (AD, 170-236)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]“And 6,000 years must needs be accomplished, in order that the Sabbath may come, the rest, the holy day “on which God rested from all His works.”80I-11-80 For the Sabbath is the type and emblem of the future kingdom of the saints, when they “shall reign with Christ,” when He comes from heaven, as John says in his Apocalypse: for “a day with the Lord is as a thousand years.” (Psalms 90:4) Since, then, in six days God made all things, it follows that 6,000 years must be fulfilled.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Commodianus[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt], (AD, 240)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]“Adam was the first who fell, and that he might shun the precepts of God, Belial was his tempter by the lust of the palm tree. And he conferred on us also what he did, whether of good or of evil, as being the chief of all that was born from him; and thence we die by his means, as he himself, receding from the divine, became an outcast from the Word. We shall be immortal when six thousand years are accomplished.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt] “This has pleased Christ, that the dead should rise again, yea, with their bodies; and those, too, whom in this world the fire has burned, when six thousand years are completed, and the world has come to an end. The heaven in the meantime is changed with an altered course, for then the wicked are burnt up with divine fire.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Cyprian[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt], (AD, 200-258)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]“But what more fitly or more fully agrees with my own care and solicitude, than to prepare the people divinely entrusted to me, and an army established in the heavenly camp, by assiduous exhortations against the darts and weapons of the devil? For he cannot be a soldier fitted for the war who has not first been exercised in the field; nor will he who seeks to gain the crown of contest be rewarded on the racecourse, unless he first considers the use and skilfulness of his powers. It is an ancient adversary and an old enemy with whom we wage our battle: six thousand years are now nearly completed since the devil first attacked man. All kinds of temptation, and arts, and snares for his overthrow, he has learned by the very practice of long years. If he finds Christ’s soldier unprepared, if unskilled, if not careful and watching with his whole heart; he circumvents him if ignorant, he deceives him incautious, he cheats him inexperienced. But if a man, keeping the Lord’s precepts, and bravely adhering to Christ, stands against him, he must needs be conquered, because Christ, whom that man confesses, is unconquered.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Methodius[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt], (AD, 230-312)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]“He says that Origen, after having fabled many things concerning the eternity of the universe, adds this also: Nor yet from Adam, as some say, did man, previously not existing, first take his existence and come into the world. Nor again did the world begin to be made six days before the creation of Adam. But if any one should prefer to differ in these points, let him first say, whether a period of time be not easily reckoned from the creation of the world, according to the Book of Moses, to those who so receive it, the voice of prophecy here proclaiming: “Thou art God from everlasting, and world without end. . . . For a thousand years in Thy sight are but as yesterday: seeing that is past as a watch in the night.” (Ps. 90:2, 4) For when a thousand years are reckoned as one day in the sight of God, and from the creation of the world to His rest is six days, so also to our time, six days are defined, as those say who are clever arithmeticians. Therefore, they say that an age of six thousand years extends from Adam to our time. For they say that the judgment will come on the seventh day, that is in the seventh thousand year. “ [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt] “For since in six days God made the heaven and the earth, and finished the whole world, and rested on the seventh day from all His works which He had made, and blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, (Gen. 2:1) so by a figure in the seventh month, when the fruits of the earth have been gathered in, we are commanded to keep the feast to the Lord, which signifies that, when this world shall be terminated at the seventh thousand years, when God shall have completed the world, He shall rejoice in us.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt] “For I also, taking my journey, and going forth from the Egypt of this life, came first to the resurrection, which is the true Feast of the Tabernacles, and there having set up my tabernacle, adorned with the fruits of virtue, on the first day of the resurrection, which is the day of judgment, celebrate with Christ the millennium of rest, which is called the seventh day, even the true Sabbath.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Lactantius[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt], (AD, 260-320)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]“Therefore, since all the works of God were completed in six days, the world must continue in its present state through six ages, that is, six thousand years. For the great day of God is limited by a circle of a thousand years, as the prophet shows, who says, (Ps. 90:4; see also 2 Pet. 3:8) “In Thy sight, O Lord, a thousand years are as one day.” And as God laboured during those six days in creating such great works, so His religion and truth must labour during these six thousand years, while wickedness prevails and bears rule. And again, since God, having finished His works, rested the seventh day and blessed it, at the end of the six thousandth year all wickedness must be abolished from the earth, and righteousness reign for a thousand years; and there must be tranquillity and rest from the labours which the world now has long endured.” [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]“But we, whom the Holy Scriptures instruct to the knowledge of the truth, know the beginning and the end of the world, respecting which we will now speak in the end of our work, since we have explained respecting the beginning in the second book. Therefore let the philosophers, who enumerate thousands of ages from the beginning of the world, know that the six thousandth year is not yet completed, and that when this number is completed the consummation must take place, and the condition of human affairs be remodelled for the better, the proof of which must first be related, that the matter itself may be plain. God completed the world and this admirable work of nature in the space of six days, as is contained in the secrets of Holy Scripture, and consecrated the seventh day, on which He had rested from His works. But this is the Sabbath-day, which in the language of the Hebrews received its name from the number, whence the seventh is the legitimate and complete number.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt] “Perhaps some one may now ask when these things of which we have spoken are about to come to pass? I have already shown above, that when six thousand years shall be completed this change must take place, and that the last day of the extreme conclusion is now drawing near. It is permitted us to know respecting the signs, which are spoken by the prophets, for they foretold signs by which the consummation of the times is to be expected by us from day to day, and to be feared.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]“For six thousand years have not yet been completed, and when this number shall be made up, then at length all evil will be taken away, that justice alone may reign.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Bardesanes[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt], (AD, 180-220)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]“And this,” says he, “is one synchronism of them all; that is, the time of one such synchronism of them. So that from hence it appears that to complete 100 such synchronisms there will be required six thousands of years. Thus :— 200 revolutions of Saturn, six thousands of years; 500 revolutions of Jupiter, 6 thousands of years; 4 thousand revolutions of Mars, 6 thousands of years; Six thousand revolutions of the Sun, 6 thousands of years; 7 thousand and 200 revolutions of Venus, 6 thousands of years; 12 thousand revolutions of Mercury, 6 thousands of years; 72 thousand revolutions of the Moon, 6 thousands of years.” These things did Bardesan thus compute when desiring to show that this world would stand only six thousands of years.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Victorinus[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt], (AD, ?-303,304)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]“And in Matthew we read, that it is written Isaiah also and the rest of his colleagues broke the Sabbath (Matt. 12:5)—that that true and just Sabbath should be observed in the seventh millenary of years. Wherefore to those seven days the Lord attributed to each a thousand years; for thus went the warning: “In Thine eyes, O Lord, a thousand years are as one day.” (Ps. 110:4) Therefore in the eyes of the Lord each thousand of years is ordained, for I find that the Lord’s eyes are seven. (Zech. 4:10) Wherefore, as I have narrated, that true Sabbath will be in the seventh millenary of years, when Christ with His elect shall reign.” [/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Agustin[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt], (AD, 354-430)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]“Chapter 40.—About the Most Mendacious Vanity of the Egyptians, in Which They Ascribe to Their Science an Antiquity of a Hundred Thousand Years. In vain, then, do some babble with most empty presumption, saying that Egypt has understood the reckoning of the stars for more than a hundred thousand years. For in what books have they collected that number who learned letters from Isis their mistress, not much more than two thousand years ago? Varro, who has declared this, is no small authority in history, and it does not disagree with the truth of the divine books. For as it is not yet six thousand years since the first man, who is called Adam, are not those to be ridiculed rather than refuted who try to persuade us of anything regarding a space of time so different from, and contrary to, the ascertained truth? For what historian of the past should we credit more than him who has also predicted things to come which we now see fulfilled? And the very disagreement of the historians among themselves furnishes a good reason why we ought rather to believe him who does not contradict the divine history which we hold. But, on the other hand, the citizens of the impious city, scattered everywhere through the earth, when they read the most learned writers, none of whom seems to be of contemptible authority, and find them disagreeing among themselves about affairs most remote from the memory of our age, cannot find out whom they ought to trust. But we, being sustained by divine authority in the history of our religion, have no doubt that whatever is opposed to it is most false, whatever may be the case regarding other things in secular books, which, whether true or false, yield nothing of moment to our living rightly and happily.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt] “But the seventh day is without any evening, nor hath it any setting, because Thou hast sanctified it to an everlasting continuance that that which Thou didst after Thy works, which were very good, resting on the seventh day, although in unbroken rest Thou madest them that the voice of Thy Book may speak beforehand unto us, that we also after our works (therefore very good, because Thou hast given them unto us) may repose in Thee also in the Sabbath of eternal life.”[/SIZE]

 

[ATP]

The Early Christians taught that man would be under the curse for 6000 years and then the end would come.

Thank you for post.
If I'm not mistaken isn't the Hebrew calender coming up on 6,000 years?
So you believe the 1,000 years is literal, as in the Millennium Kingdom will be between the 6,000-7,000th year?
What do you believe the blood moons represent in 2015?
Thank you for this, some good info.

 

[Butch5]

Thank you for post.
If I'm not mistaken isn't the Hebrew calender coming up on 6,000 years?
So you believe the 1,000 years is literal, as in the Millennium Kingdom will be between the 6,000-7,000th year?
What do you believe the blood moons represent in 2015?
Thank you for this, some good info.

Hi ATP,

Yes, I believe the reign of Christ will be a literal 1000 years. The book I was talking about, "The Time of the End" is a Bible Chronology that starts at the beginning of time and shows this 6000 years on the Biblical time line. It's very interesting and he confirms his findings multiple ways with different passages of Scripture. Here is one interesting thing. The Jews were told that when the Jews went into the Promised Land they .were to work the land for 6 years and rest on the 7th year. They were to do this 7 times for a total of 49 years, The next year the 50th years was to be a year of Jubilee where all debts were canceled and all salves were freed etc. Back in Genesis God had said,

3 And the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive1 with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." (Gen 6:3 NKJ)

He said man's days would be 120 years. The Greek word here translated years means cycles.. Man's days shall be 120 cycles. Following the chronology from the book this statement from God was made on a jubilee year. A Jubilee occurs every 50 years, after the 50th year the cycle begins again. Man's days are 120 cycles, 120 X 50 =6000.

About the blood moons, I'm not sure I don't really know that much about them, I haven't studied that topic.