Good News. Global Warming Will Not End Life As We Know It

[Armour of God]

@Armour of God, do you remember the alarmists hysteria that the heat was going into the ocean instead of the atmosphere?

In talking to a rabid alarmist who had all the facts of global rise in ocean temperatures, Inasked what climatologist predicted this phenomena 5 years before? He couldn’t even look at me. LOL This is because he only wanted to be given credit for confidently delivering speculative statements - not put it to the test. Again, the power of science rests in its predictive power and he very reluctantly had to abdicate that ground.

Science is all about making predictions. Once those predictions are found to be wrong then it should mean that the theory or hypothesis is dead.
In the 90s they said sea levels would rise. They got it wrong yet people keep believing their nonsensical pseudo-science

 

[The Barbarian]

There probably is no literature that cites the alarmist claims of Greta.

Probably not. Shouldn't that be a clue for you? Instead of listening to oil companies, middle school kids, and politicians, read the actual science. And you'll be harder to fool.

 

[Wrangler]

Science is all about making predictions. Once those predictions are found to be wrong then it should mean that the theory or hypothesis is dead.

I go back to the moral foundation of examining the data. From the OP

One would think they’d be happy to learn life on the planet is not at risk.

In addition, they have NO INTEREST in understanding how warming is good for life on Earth. I don’t believe any topic exposes misanthropism more than global warming alarmists.

 

[The Barbarian]

Besides isn't the biggest cause of temperature change the sun?

Apparently not:

The most recent solar cycle was relatively quiet, leading to a lot of fearmongering over an impending Grand Solar Minimum, a longer period of time spanning several cycles where even the maximums are subdued. Reports suggested global temperatures would plummet, producing a mini ice age. NASA gave this idea a sound drubbing earlier this year.

"The warming caused by the greenhouse gas emissions from the human burning of fossil fuels is six times greater than the possible decades-long cooling from a prolonged Grand Solar Minimum," wrote the NASA Global Climate Change team in February.

"Even if a Grand Solar Minimum were to last a century, global temperatures would continue to warm. Because more factors than just variations in the Sun's output change global temperatures on Earth, the most dominant of those today being the warming coming from human-induced greenhouse gas emissions."

Yes, a Solar Minimum Is Coming. No, It's Not Going to Mess Up The World

Because we are normal people living in normal times, normal things are happening.

www.sciencealert.com

A single massive volcanic eruption can lower global temperatures.
Because they scatter and absorb incoming sunlight, aerosol particles exert a cooling effect on the Earth’s surface. The Pinatubo eruption increased aerosol optical depth in the stratosphere by a factor of 10 to 100 times normal levels measured prior to the eruption. (“Aerosol optical depth” is a measure of how much light airborne particles prevent from passing through a column of atmosphere.) Consequently, over the next 15 months, scientists measured a drop in the average global temperature of about 1 degree F (0.6 degrees C).

https://science.nasa.gov/earth/earth-observatory/global-effects-of-mount-pinatubo-1510/

Hanson's predictions included the effects of at least one such eruption. One degree doesn't seem like much, but globally, it's a huge effect.

 

[The Barbarian]

I go back to the moral foundation of examining the data. From the OP

Data have no moral aspects. It's just reality. And reality doesn't care what we think of it.

 

[The Barbarian]

Science is all about making predictions. Once those predictions are found to be wrong then it should mean that the theory or hypothesis is dead.

Almost right. Hypotheses are predictions. When Hypotheses are repeatedly verified by subsequent evidence, they are then theories. If subsequent evidence is contrary to a theory, the theory is modified or discarded.

In the 90s they said sea levels would rise.

Satellites confirm 1990s sea-level predictions were shockingly accurate​

September 6, 2025 Source:Tulane University
Satellite data reveals sea-level rise has unfolded almost exactly as predicted by 1990s climate models, with one key underestimation: melting ice sheets. Researchers stress the importance of refining local projections as seas continue to rise faster than before.

Satellites confirm 1990s sea-level predictions were shockingly accurate

Satellite data reveals sea-level rise has unfolded almost exactly as predicted by 1990s climate models, with one key underestimation: melting ice sheets. Researchers stress the importance of refining local projections as seas continue to rise faster than before.

www.sciencedaily.com

The sea level around Florida is up to 8 inches higher than it was in 1950.

Florida's Sea Level Is Rising

Sea levels around Florida have risen up to 8 inches since 1950, and are now rising as much as 1 inch every 3 years, mainly due to a slowing Gulf Stream. Because of sea level rise, tidal flooding in some areas of the state has increased by 352% since 2000, and communities are spending over $4...

sealevelrise.org

The data shows that the largest factor for Gulf Stream weakening is likely an increased influx of freshwater from the melting Arctic and Greenland ice. If that stream stops moving, it could actually cause Northern Europe to get colder.

Deniers got it wrong once again. yet a few people keep believing their nonsensical pseudo-science

Most of this rise is due to thermal expansion of warmer ocean waters. But increasingly, melting from continental glaciers and collapse of coastal ice in Antarctica has contributed to this. The good news is that Arctic Ocean melting won't raise sea levels for the same reason that ice cubes melting in a glass of water won't raise the level of water in the glass.

 

[The Barbarian]

In talking to a rabid alarmist who had all the facts of global rise in ocean temperatures, I asked what climatologist predicted this phenomena 5 years before? He couldn’t even look at me.

James Hanson of NASA, for one. His predictions, made decades before it happened, were precisely right. BTW, physics would predict more heat going into the oceans. Water has an extremely high specific heat, meaning that it takes more thermal energy to warm up a given mass of water than of other materials like stone or metal. Since thermodynamics shows that heat flows from hotter to colder masses, oceans would have to absorb more thermal energy than land.

Lots more of that...

5 forecasts early climate models got right – the evidence is all around you

From rising global temperatures to the fast-warming Arctic, early climate models predicted the changes half a century ago.

theconversation.com

 

[Armour of God]

Probably not. Shouldn't that be a clue for you? Instead of listening to oil companies, middle school kids, and politicians, read the actual science. And you'll be harder to fool.

Who said I was listening to such people?
Seems to me you are reverting to your lies again. I was making fun of that girl, not listening to her nonsense.

 

[The Barbarian]

There are a number of vids that show this time lag. This is why I've posted that the global warming hoax has cause and effect backwards - by about 800 years.

You've been badly misled about that...

Rise in CO2 is followed very quickly by a rise in temperature.

Of course the biggest cause of temperature change the sun! It explains why other planetary bodies have gotten warmer - including Pluto!

As you learned, Pluto has a very eccentric orbit. Currently, it's a lot closer to the sun than normal. So its warmer.

 

[The Barbarian]

Who said I was listening to such people?

You brought them up. If you weren't why would you cite them?

 

[Armour of God]

Almost right. Hypotheses are predictions. When Hypotheses are repeatedly verified by subsequent evidence, they are then theories. If subsequent evidence is contrary to a theory, the theory is modified or discarded.

Satellites confirm 1990s sea-level predictions were shockingly accurate​

September 6, 2025 Source:Tulane University
Satellite data reveals sea-level rise has unfolded almost exactly as predicted by 1990s climate models, with one key underestimation: melting ice sheets. Researchers stress the importance of refining local projections as seas continue to rise faster than before.

Satellites confirm 1990s sea-level predictions were shockingly accurate

Satellite data reveals sea-level rise has unfolded almost exactly as predicted by 1990s climate models, with one key underestimation: melting ice sheets. Researchers stress the importance of refining local projections as seas continue to rise faster than before.

www.sciencedaily.com

The sea level around Florida is up to 8 inches higher than it was in 1950.

Florida's Sea Level Is Rising

Sea levels around Florida have risen up to 8 inches since 1950, and are now rising as much as 1 inch every 3 years, mainly due to a slowing Gulf Stream. Because of sea level rise, tidal flooding in some areas of the state has increased by 352% since 2000, and communities are spending over $4...

sealevelrise.org

The data shows that the largest factor for Gulf Stream weakening is likely an increased influx of freshwater from the melting Arctic and Greenland ice. If that stream stops moving, it could actually cause Northern Europe to get colder.

Deniers got it wrong once again. yet a few people keep believing their nonsensical pseudo-science

Most of this rise is due to thermal expansion of warmer ocean waters. But increasingly, melting from continental glaciers and collapse of coastal ice in Antarctica has contributed to this. The good news is that Arctic Ocean melting won't raise sea levels for the same reason that ice cubes melting in a glass of water won't raise the level of water in the glass.

They said islands were going to disappear and that coastal cities would get flooded.
They said Mt Kilimanjaro would never see snow again.
None of that happened.
Hypothesis was incorrect.
End of theory.

 

[The Barbarian]

I was making fun of that girl,

Ah. Don't you think you'd be more effective if you were presenting facts, rather than engaging in personal attacks?

 

[Armour of God]

You brought them up. If you weren't why would you cite them?

I said I was joking.
You've just proven to be a liar again.
Stick to your pseudo-science

 

[Wrangler]

Fearmongering predictions about climate change keep falling apart​

A recent peer-reviewed study counts almost a hundred environmental doomsday predictions that environmentalists have made over the past half-century.

Two-thirds of them predicted doom before August 2025, and all of these have turned out to be false.

 

[The Barbarian]

Satellites confirm 1990s sea-level predictions were shockingly accurate​

September 6, 2025 Source:Tulane University
Satellite data reveals sea-level rise has unfolded almost exactly as predicted by 1990s climate models, with one key underestimation: melting ice sheets. Researchers stress the importance of refining local projections as seas continue to rise faster than before.

Satellite data reveals sea-level rise has unfolded almost exactly as predicted by 1990s climate models, with one key underestimation: melting ice sheets. Researchers stress the importance of refining local projections as seas continue to rise faster than before.

Sea levels around Florida have risen up to 8 inches since 1950, and are now rising as much as 1 inch every 3 years, mainly due to a slowing Gulf Stream. Because of sea level rise, tidal flooding in some areas of the state has increased by 352% since 2000,

They said islands were going to disappear

I don't see that in the predictions. Some low islands have disappeared, but most are higher than 8 inches above. The big issue in Florida now is salt water rise into freshwater aquifers.

Saltwater intrusion threatens Florida’s drinking water supply​

Over-extraction of the aquifer and rising sea levels allow saltwater to encroach into Florida’s groundwater
Saltwater intrusion threatens Florida's drinking water supply | The Invading Sea

Flooding has increased:
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/environment/climate-change/article312369377.html

But it would take another 5 inches of rise to permanently flood large areas of Florida.

Sea Level Rise - Map Viewer

NOAA's Sea Level Rise map viewer gives users a way to visualize community-level impacts from coastal flooding or sea level rise (up to 10 feet above average high tides).

www.climate.gov

 

[The Barbarian]

You brought them up. If you weren't why would you cite them?

I said I was joking.

After the fact, you did. I don't necessarily think you were lying, but It's hard to explain this behavior.

 

[The Barbarian]

Fearmongering predictions about climate change keep falling apart​

Your link goes nowhere. As you have seen, the predictions of climate scientists have been repeatedly confirmed.

 

[Armour of God]

LIES & PSEUDO-SCIENCE
DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH

 

[Wrangler]

They said islands were going to disappear and that coastal cities would get flooded.
They said Mt Kilimanjaro would never see snow again.
None of that happened.
Hypothesis was incorrect.
End of theory.

I recall some European pseudo scientist said even if everything we believe about global warming is not true, we should still proceed AS IF it is true in going away from fossil fuels as a new central organizing principle.

 

[Armour of God]

I recall some European pseudo scientist said even if everything we believe about global warming is not true, we should still proceed AS IF it is true in going away from fossil fuels as a new central organizing principle.

Australia has an abundance of coal.
It was built on coal fire electricity which is very cheap. Now they've closed down all the coal fire plants and replaced them with wind and solar. This has made electricity extremely expensive now for everyone.

Industries that use a lot of power have been forced to move offshore such as the production of steel, plastics, concrete and such.

Meanwhile Australia still mines coal and sells it to China. Most of their electricity comes from coal.

Australia also sells iron ore to China, they make steel and then Australia buys the steel.

Same with other metals, we mine copper, nickel, chromium, bauxite. But we export it to others for them to make copper, stainless steel and aluminium.

We are a huge exporter of uranium but politicians won't even consider nuclear power.

Australia has plenty of oil. Back in the year 2000 Australia was refining enough fuel for ourselves and enough to even export.

Now we only have 2 oil refineries. We export the oil to others for them to refine it to fuel for us to buy.

How stupid is Australia?
We won't burn coal yet we're one of the biggest exporters of it.
We export iron and other metals to others for them to make metal for us to buy.
We export oil to others for them to refine it to fuel for us to buy it.
We export uranium but don't use it ourselves.

How stupid is that???
Australia has industrially murdered itself while making other countries like China very rich. All in the name of climate change.

Also we had a lot of electricity coming from hydro plants. That's a very cheap and clean way to make electricity, no pollution, but the politicians aren't interested in it. Why not? Because their invested in wind and solar. It's rubbish. Especially wind power, it's a joke, it produces very little power and is very expensive.

Those 3 thin blades are a crap design for a windmill. I could design a much better one than that with more blades that are wider to better catch the wind

And guess where we buy those windmills and solar panels from... China. While they hardly use them at all and use our coal instead for their electricity