Grace Does Not Cover Unbelief

[Behold]

according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

So in conclusion, if one lives and dies in unbelief, the answer is simple, he or she was not of the Sheep Christ Lived and died for Jn 10:26 !

Your Calvinism is glaring again.

Read what you just wrote as its utterly confused..

You stated that if a person does not believe.... (dies in unbelief)........, and yet the verse you posted said that EVERY many has Faith.


See what Calvinism does to you mind? It causes you to not be able to see how CRAZY it is, ..

Paul says its a "Bewitched" issue.... as that is the power of a "doctrine of Devils".

 

[brightfame52]

Your Calvinism is glaring again.

Read what you just wrote as its utterly confused..

You stated that if a person does not believe.... (dies in unbelief)........, and yet the verse you posted said that EVERY many has Faith.


See what Calvinism does to you mind? It causes you to not be able to see how CRAZY it is, ..

Paul says its a "Bewitched" issue.... as that is the power of a "doctrine of Devils".

You sound confused

 

[amigo de christo]

Isnt a group of folk of like faith a church?

it is . but many just gather with whoever an whatever for the sake of unity and fellowship .
they just sit under men and leaders who teach contrary to the DOCTRINE . that WE OUGHT NOT TO DO .
fellowship for the sake of fellowship and unity for the sake of unity IS TOTAL bad news .
ITS UNITY and FELLOWSHIP with those who ACTUALLY LOVE AND HONOR GOD CHRIST , THE TRUTH
but many leaders no longer do that but rather just teach some of the most blantant stuff
and they holler to all , JUST HAVE UNITY and FELLOWSHIP , doctrine matters not , just love .
only they DO NOT LOVE THE TRUTH OF GOD at all . that be A PROBLEM of upmost DEADLY DANGER .
unequally yoking leads only to FALLING AWAY . GOD KNEW THAT . today they seem NOT TO KNOW IT .

 

[amigo de christo]

Your Calvinism is glaring again.

Read what you just wrote as its utterly confused..

You stated that if a person does not believe.... (dies in unbelief)........, and yet the verse you posted said that EVERY many has Faith.


See what Calvinism does to you mind? It causes you to not be able to see how CRAZY it is, ..

Paul says its a "Bewitched" issue.... as that is the power of a "doctrine of Devils".

He who sitteth under calivin is as a man who was thirsty
so he jumped down into a port o potty .
Having no idea what was about to get dropped upon his own head . DUNG BE A COMING .
sit not under calvin , sit not under the RCC , beware for many even within the protestant realm
have fallen for a lie that calleth itself love .
THERE IS A LOVE known to man that seemth so right unto a man and yet the end thereof is death .
IT cometh of the world and NOT OF GOD . and many therebe which now beleive it to be the LOVE OF GOD . this aint
about to bode well for them on the DAY OF THE LORD EITHER .

 

[Behold]

You sound confused

What you previously wrote, contradicts itself.

 

[amigo de christo]

What you previously wrote, contradicts itself.

you should see the contradictions of this incluisie love spell so many now buy into it
GOOD heavens ITS CONTRADICITING EVEN THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS CHRIST
and yet most think its the love of GOD . talk about a contradiction . the love of the world
will indeed contradict the LOVE of GOD . so too does their new love gospel
so too does their embracing of certain sins as well as other religoins as fine and well .
ME THINKS , ME KNOWS , ITS BIBLE TIME FOR ALL WHO NAME THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST .

 

[Marvelloustime]

it is . but many just gather with whoever an whatever for the sake of unity and fellowship .
they just sit under men and leaders who teach contrary to the DOCTRINE . that WE OUGHT NOT TO DO .
fellowship for the sake of fellowship and unity for the sake of unity IS TOTAL bad news .
ITS UNITY and FELLOWSHIP with those who ACTUALLY LOVE AND HONOR GOD CHRIST , THE TRUTH
but many leaders no longer do that but rather just teach some of the most blantant stuff
and they holler to all , JUST HAVE UNITY and FELLOWSHIP , doctrine matters not , just love .
only they DO NOT LOVE THE TRUTH OF GOD at all . that be A PROBLEM of upmost DEADLY DANGER .
unequally yoking leads only to FALLING AWAY . GOD KNEW THAT . today they seem NOT TO KNOW IT .

Läran är viktig. Lovad vare Herren.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Läran är viktig. Lovad vare Herren.

Sorry, my Swedish took over. I said Doctrine matters. Let the Lord be praised. Trench on brother @amigo de christo

 

[brightfame52]

What you previously wrote, contradicts itself.

In your mind

 

[Behold]

In your mind

You are not "born again so that you can then Trust in Christ".

You are born again BECAUSE you have Already Believed".

"YOUR Faith, (not God's) is counted by God, as (Christ's) Righteousness".

 

[brightfame52]

If sinners Christ died for still die in unbelief, it would contradict the very purpose of mercy. See God concluded all His Chosen People in Unbelief ! And what for ? This scripture tells us Rom 11:23

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. Now whose the All ? Why he told us in Rom 9:23-24

And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,


Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

God in His Eternal Purpose in Christ, enclosed the His elect into unbelief, so that, for the purpose of being able to show them mercy, compassion in that state of unbelief/disobedience, not to condemn them for it, as many false teachers teach today, that God condemns sinners Christ died for, for unbelief ! Thats the biggest lie ever told !

Paul is an example of how God has mercy upon His Elect for their unbelief. Remember Pauls testimony of all what he did in unbelief 1 Tim 1:12-13


12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;


13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

Paul as all other Vessels of Mercy, obtain, receive mercy in their unbelief ! Thats what Paul means in Rom 11:23

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Paul was not broken off because of Unbelief as many other jews were his contemporaries Rom 11:20

Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

But Paul along with other Vessels of Mercy, not just among the jews, but also among the Gentiles Rom 9:23-24


And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,


24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?


So its not even possible for those whom Christ died should die in or be condemned for unbelief, their unbelief obtains the Mercy of God upon them !

 

[brightfame52]

Did Christ die for the sin of unbelief ?​

Jn 1:29

29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Now the sin of the world did involve unbelief. Eve didn't believe the truth of God. God had said in the day that you eat you shall surely die. Observe Gen 2:17

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Now Gen 3:2-4

And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:


as a result of unbelief:


5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.1

 

[brightfame52]

Did Christ die for the sin of unbelief ?

Now unbelief and disobedience are relatively the same thing. Unbelief is called not obeying here 2 Thess 1:8

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Now to obey not is disobedience

Jn 3:36

He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abides on him.

Believes not here in the greek is the word ἀπειθέω:

I disobey, rebel, am disloyal, refuse conformity

Now disobedience s the parent sin in adam Rom 5:19 which began with eve not believing God because of the serpents seduction, hence she believed his [the serpents lie] over Gods Truth. Recall what God had said what would happen if they ate of that particular tree, that "ye shall surely die Gen 2:16-17 and the serpent said to her the opposite to Gods Truth Gen 3:1-6. This is the beginning of the parent sin of unbelief/disobedience which all by nature are imprisoned to Rom 11:31-32

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.


32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

So now to say Christ didnt die for unbelief, is to deny Christ died for mans sin in adam, which contradicts scripture truth Rom 5:15-16


15 But not as the offence [unbelief/disobedience], so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.


16 And not as it was by one that sinned[disobedience/unbelief], so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

Christ took away the sin of the world Jn 1:29, but if they who He died for are condemned for unbelief, Jn 1:29 is a lie !

 

[brightfame52]

Now the sinners Christ died for cannot be charged or have laid to their account unbelief/disobedience, and here's why ! Christ death was a covenantal death, according to the stipulations of the everlasting covenant Heb 13:20 which is also known in time as the New Covenant or Testament Matt 26:28. Now one of the promises of this death is this Heb 8:12

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. Well unbelief is a unrighteousness, so God has promised to be merciful to their unrighteousness/unbelief. Same as in Rom 11:32

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

So for God to condemn any sinner Christ died for, for unbelief makes God a liar !

 

[Behold]

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

"all in unbelief".

= "All have sinned"

= "Jesus came to die for sinners"

= "All have sinned".

= John 3:16, "for God so loved us All (The World) that He sent Jesus for us All, that WHOSOEVER, (Anyone and everyone) will believe in Jesus, they shall not go to hell, but have eternal (everlasting life)."

 

[Cassandra]

I can't help but think (from some of the things posted on this forum) that Calvinism is prideful.

 

[brightfame52]

"all in unbelief".

= "All have sinned"

= "Jesus came to die for sinners"

= "All have sinned".

= John 3:16, "for God so loved us All (The World) that He sent Jesus for us All, that WHOSOEVER, (Anyone and everyone) will believe in Jesus, they shall not go to hell, but have eternal (everlasting life)."

So God has mercy for some in unbelief, all the elect, because Christ died for their unbelief. Mercy is shown only were Justice has been satisfied.

 

[Behold]

So God has mercy for some in unbelief, all the elect, because Christ died for their unbelief. Mercy is shown only were Justice has been satisfied.

Mercy is Jesus on the Cross, extended as "For God so loved the WORLD"...... not,..... for God so loved only the elect..... as lying Calvinism - TULIP would deny it.

The Fact that Christ died for ALL, proves that ALL are offered CHRIST's Blood and Death.

The CROSS OF JESUS was raised on the WORLD, because its given for us ALL.

Free will is the option to CHOOSE as YOU will.... what you do with Jesus.

Some, "willfully sin" and refuse to be forgiven.

Others Choose to Believe.

 

[brightfame52]

Mercy is Jesus on the Cross, extended as "For God so loved the WORLD"...... not,..... for God so loved only the elect..... as lying Calvinism - TULIP would deny it.

The Fact that Christ died for ALL, proves that ALL are offered CHRIST's Blood and Death.

The CROSS OF JESUS was raised on the WORLD, because its given for us ALL.

Free will is the option to CHOOSE as YOU will.... what you do with Jesus.

Some, "willfully sin" and refuse to be forgiven.

Others Choose to Believe.

False witnessing, be advised

 

[brightfame52]

The elect of God, like all men are naturally born into this world in unbelief, for Paul writing of the elect from out of both the jews and gentiles writes Rom 11:32

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Yet God had a merciful purpose for doing that to the elect, not to condemn them in that state, but the very opposite, to have mercy upon them for being in that state. Understand as well that the word unbelief here also is rendered and means disobedience. Its the greek word apeitheia. The word apeithēs means:

impersuasible, not compliant, disobedient, contumacious

obstinacy, obstinate opposition to the divine will, disbelief (obstinate and rebellious)

Its this state God imprisoned the elect in for the purpose of mercy !