Growing in Spiritual Maturity - Being, not doing

[Behold]

You are changing horses midstream. Here's what you claimed earlier.

I dont change Paul's Gospel.

Where do you find that claim in this scripture?

Its = God's will that you "believe on Jesus, whom God sent".

That is Paul's Gospel.

"All who call on the name of Jesus (believing) shall be saved".

This is also directly connected To Abraham....... as = "Abraham believed God, and it (His faith) was counted by God, as Righteousness".

This is "Justification by Faith".. Paul teaches.
This is "Grace through Faith".. Paul teaches.
This is "The righteouenss of Faith". Paul teaches.

And this does not happen after you die.......Its not offered then.

 

[quietthinker]

@Behold & @St. SteVen
are you aware there is a third option in this?

 

[Behold]

@Behold & @St. SteVen
are you aware there is a third option in this?

There is no OTHER OPTION available according to God or The Cross of Christ or Paul's Gospel.

 

[quietthinker]

There is no OTHER OPTION available according to God or The Cross of Christ or Paul's Gospel.

that's because you don't see it....and because you don't see it or more likely, don't want to see it, you wont see it.

 

[Behold]

that's because you don't see it...

Jesus said that "No person comes to the Father, but by Me".....and then He spread His arms out on The Cross and died to prove it.

John 14:6.

There is only ONE WAY To The Father, and Jesus said.......I am "THE Way".

See THe Cross of Christ as the Proof.

 

[quietthinker]

Jesus said that "No person comes to the Father, but by Me".....and then He spread His arms out on The Cross and died to prove it.

John 14:6.

There is only ONE WAY To The Father, and Jesus said.......I am "THE Way".

See THe Cross of Christ as the Proof.

You don't see it.....and you make no enquiry.

 

[St. SteVen]

@Behold & @St. SteVen
are you aware there is a third option in this?

What is it?

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[quietthinker]

What is it?

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In short, point no. 6

1. God wills all men to be saved....we know that from 1 Timothy 2:4
2. Men can resist God's will. Adam's choice is evidence of that.
3. God has forgiven all sin, past present and future.
2 Corinthians 5:19. 'God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, by not counting people's sins against them'.
Humanity was in the crucified and risen Jesus and those who see it have the privilege of communicating man's reconciliation to God,
'For God so loved the World...' God has never been pissed off. It is men who think God is pissed off.
4. Men can refuse this reconciliation just as Adam refused God's will.
5. Lostness is not the result of God's will or ignorance on the part of Men.
6. Lostness is the deliberate choice of men to refuse their status of being reconciled freely, no strings attached, no hoops to jump through. It is the result of an ingratitude deliberately maintained.

 

[St. SteVen]

6. Lostness is the deliberate choice of men to refuse their status of being reconciled freely, no strings attached, no hoops to jump through. It is the result of an ingratitude deliberately maintained.

That sounds like the position of @Behold
Unless I am missing something. ???

I would argue that this position is based on the will of humankind being superior to God's will.
Based on the apologetic that claims that sinners send themselves to hell. Thus absolving God.

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[quietthinker]

That sounds like the position of @Behold
Unless I am missing something. ???

I would argue that this position is based on the will of humankind being superior to God's will.
Based on the apologetic that claims that sinners send themselves to hell. Thus absolving God.

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Behold claims that you are not forgiven (saved) till one is born again. He pushes this point by putting the responsibility of being born again onto the individual.
I say, we are forgiven before the foundation of the World, we just haven't heard about it (news) and to prove this, Jesus visited our planet to convince us we are loved beyond measure. The question to us now is, what are we going to do with this knowledge of God?
Behold is full advice and hoops we must jump through before God will forgive. One of those hoops is being 'born again' (as if it's something we can initiate)

 

[St. SteVen]

One of those hoops is being 'born again' (as if it's something we can initiate)

Good point.
I noticed that my wife's conversion story was quite different than mine.
My story was an event, a single point in time when I responded to God.
For others, it is a gradual experience. Either is valid.
But as you say, it needs to be initiated by God.

And I believe in many cases that will happen after physical death here.
In the Age of Restoration. (the judgement)
Every nation, leader (political and spiritual) and individual.

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[Lambano]

That sounds like the position of @Behold

No reason to get insulting, bro.

 

[Lambano]

 

[MatthewG]

Hello Lambano

I walked a total of 3.3 miles for the past 4 days, each day, thats like 7.000 steps every day. 7,000 steps x 4, is idk.
Nearly 30,000 steps.
Alot, your song title had mention of footsteps. I don't listen to a lot of that type of music.

I like insane clown posse, eminem, limp bizicut, system of a down, mindless self indulgence.

Grace and peace,
Matthew

 

[Behold]

That sounds like the position of @Behold

To go to heaven, you're sins have to be forgiven and you have to be born again.
This must happen before you die.

Also.

"Seek HIS righteousness".

And, what is God's Righteousness that is given as "The Gift of Righteousness"..?

A.) Its the sacrifice of Jesus....Its His Blood and His death and His LIFE.

This is God's Righteousness, that is GIVEN to a BELIEVER.... when you give God your Faith in Christ.

God takes that Blood and Death of Jesus and FORGIVES YOU forever.
And then God takes that LIFE of Christ, that is Eternal, and gives it to you as "The Gift of Eternal Life".

Remember that Jesus told us....."I am the resurrection and The LIFE"......"I have come to give you LIFE"..

Paul teaches it like this......... "Even the Righteousness of God... by FAITH of Jesus....UNTO and UPON ALL them that believe".

See that "unto and upon"?.... that is God "imputing righteousness"... to a believer, because they gave God their FAITH.

This is "The righteousness of Faith".

Now look closely.... at the result of God giving the Believer His "Gift of Rightousness."

A.) "That God might be Just....(and that means, He's satisfied His own Justice that demanded death for sin).... and now that Jesus has satisfied the penalty for sin... God is now the Eternal JUSTIFER of ALL who believe in Jesus".

We understand this as being saved through the Blood of Jesus.

= The Blood Atonement.

And now looking at Abraham.....we see were this started....

AA.) Abraham BELIEVED GOD.. and it was counted (imputed) unto Him as RIGHTEOUSNESS".

How to understand all this simply?

AAA.) "Jesus became our sin, and we became Christ's Righteousness".

Welcome to : Salvation., that is God's Righteousness.

Its a "GIFT" from God.

A Christian is "made Righteous" forever.