.that Christ is God and Man, that he was born of a virgin, that he died on the cross, that he rose again and gives the gift of Grace to those who believe in him and ask for forgiveness. These are primary, or close hand issues to do with our faith.
That is why your my Sister, and we will have something to talk about.........
how you 'begged' other to bring you scriptures, but when they did you scoff and say...oh they don't mean that!
No, Sister.......... I never said I did not agree with any scriptures given. I added to JerryJohnson comment about possible Miracles sometimes. I never disagreed with what He had Written. I don't like using Greek and Hebrew to prove a point. My whole point is that people use the situation that Paul went though in connection with sickness and disability. I won't tell you how many times I have heard it. "
Well, I am always in pain, and I may never walk again, but His grace is sufficient for me." This is way out of context of what Jesus Told Paul. Jesus said, What I have done, is more than enough to put your over on top.
Remember, Paul's issue was a messenger of Satan.
Sufficient: arkeō 1) to be
possessed of unfailing strength
1a) to be strong, to suffice,
to be enough
1a1) to
defend, ward off
1b) to be
satisfied, to be contented
through the idea of raising a barrier]
Paul was already filled with the Holy Spirit, he was already possessed with unfailing strength.
That is what Paul heard, He heard that because of the awesome Grace of our Lord God, there was already a barrier, He was already delivered from the powers of dakness. (Col 1:13) That there was more than enough power to give him the Victory.
What did Paul learn........... Best I be weak, and trust in the Lord's ability. My own strength and knowledge is not going to cut it.
To say that the Lord's grace is sufficient and your still sick and struggling, means your not content, means you would like better for your life. Seeking more knowledge about healing is what my point was. You can't have faith in something, if you don't know about it, and don't know the Lords will concerning it.
if he wanted me well, do you think I would still be sick? Again, rude, and wrong.
No, Sister. Not rude. You made it this far, so you have faith, everyone is given the measure of faith. However, if the Lord wanted you well?? It is not all the Lords fault here. We have a covenant, and that is a two party agreement. Before you assume the Lord does not want you well, why not assume you need to learn more.
Mat 9:28 And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, [b]Believe ye that I am able to do this[/b]? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.
Mat 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.
Now why did Jesus ask if they thought if he was able to do this? What did Jesus say Healing was measured to them by?
Most think if Jesus wants us healed, then He will just heal us. That is not what Jesus himself said. There is lots of Doctrine people have, that does not line up with what our Lord told us. It was according to this mans faith..............Not what Jesus could do, but what that man was willing to believe.
Women with Issue of Blood.
Mar 5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
This women already said she was going to be healed, if she can just touch his garment. What are we saying??? God will heal me if he wants?? That is not going to get very far in the Healing dept.
What did Jesus say that made this Women whole of her plague? Her faith................
To discount this, then we have to discount what the master said...........
"If you don't give this any effort, then that's on you." - No amount of effort on my behalf will heal me. I love, trust and obey and only want Gods will for my life.
I partly agree. It takes effort to receive Jesus as Lord. You have to believe something. It takes effort to receive Healing. Faith without works is dead. Jesus did not think this way. He told the Centurion that he would personally go with him to heal his servant.... What did the centurion say? Just speak the word only, and my servant will be healed. Jesus marveled at this mans faith. That word that Healed the Centurions servant is still around today.
You can discount all this if you want, I just want to help.
Look, I don't like fighting, am not very good at arguing, but you Brother Mike, while perhaps trying to help people, are only insulting and hurting them. Pray for understanding (of their condition) and compassion, please, then so many more might actually be willing to listen, rather than getting their backs up??
Well, I have to say sorry if I came off wrong.......... you are right!!! This is a debate forum though, but no excuse. You have to understand. I watched my own son dying of cancer. I won't tell the whole story, but I hate what the devil is doing, and I hate the false lies he has given to the Church. He kills, steals and destroys. He has take your quality of life from you far to long.
We are told to resist the devil steadfast in faith.............. Why, because he will kill us, steal from us and destroy us. He would love for us to think God is not the one moving on our behalf. God already did, and we need to recieve and believe what God said.
Oh, Ps...at your church, where you have seen so many healed? What happens to the ones who aren't? Are they sent away feeling even worse, that somehow their illness is their fault? I put it to you that these are the people who need the most support, love and prayer, rather than lectures on 'getting it right'.
No, None that I know of personally have left feeling bad. That is not to say some haven't. Some I have worked with or spoken to have died. I don't like that, but I am not the healer.
There are many, many reasons people do not receive healing. Lack of knowledge, Lack of faith, disobedience to the Lord. The list is goes on. It's never God's fault though, and it is never God not wanting to heal them.
Healing is not instantaneous most the time. Jesus said lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover, not be healed on the spot. People have a big misconception about Healing, if they have never been around it.
The thing is Sister, we are not the Healer, and we don't dictate to God how he wants us healed. If he says go to the Doctor, then Go, If he says go wash in a pool, the wash. A lot of it is following directions of the Holy Spirit. Wisdom!!!!
I have only been involved personally in 3 instant healing. Most are building people up to trust God.
One was a girl that after I was done preaching, she came up on the platform. She asked me
Some is just standing and believing. What is believing? Your mouth agrees with God, by his stripes you are healed. You may be weak, but God never said confess your weak. (Joel 3:10) Just do what God said do. It's not rocket science.
Out of the abundance of your heart (What you really believe) will come out of your mouth. Out of your heart is the very issues of your life.
One story, then I'll stop.
Love the Key to Victory.
While locked up, my wing (100 men) got a nasty viral something that went around to almost everyone. 60% of us ended up in the Hospital, and our wing was quarantined. Of course being the big faith man, I thought I was. I rebuked that virus in the Name of Jesus, and told it that it could not touch my body. That worked.............NOT!!!!!! I got very, very sick.
Back in time:
2 weeks ago, I was watching the WWF Woot!!!!! (Then the World Wrestling Federation) I mean prison is boring, and I liked wrestling. I was in the day room with the rest of the unsaved rooting for the Undertaker.
Just while Undertaker was wining, another brother in Christ came up to me. He asked me if I was setting a good example for the rest of the unsaved.
I told my brother it was not of his business, and not to worry about it................. (I know... real godly, huh??)
Though I lived in the same wing with my Brother, we stopped talking and having fellowship with each other. I figured he would come and apologize and all would be good.
2 Weeks forward again.
I had not talked to my brother for almost 3 weeks, but now I was sick. dog sick............ I rebuked every devil known to God, and some I made up, just in case. I had my scriptures on healing, I was confessing the Word, I never confessed I was sick, but here I was. Sick. I had done everything right, that I knew of. (Well, it does not work that way, but I was still sorta new at it.)
I finally did something, that I don't like to do. I had to humble myself and ask God why my faith was not working. (The humble part is fine, asking God why my faith don't work, is not so good.)
The Lord spoke to me. (Not a voice but inside.) He said, "Go tell your brother you love him, and say your sorry." I told the Lord to put it on my brothers heart to come to me, and say sorry, and I will. ( I know now....... Dumb....)
Sister, I stayed real sick for a few more days. 2 or 3. Well, bless God, I was not going to get the guards and asked to be taken to the Hospital, faith people don't do that...........(me wanting it my way.) About the 2 or 3rd day, I got out of bed and wondered into the day room. I was wondering why God did not bring my brother to me yet to apologize. I needed some water, and I saw my Brother reading his bible in a chair.
So, I walked over to him and told him that I loved him and that I was sorry. We cried, and I hugged him and I headed right back to bed. On the way to my bed, the power of the anointing of God filled my whole body. (Can't explain it. Get to a place that believes in this.) and I was healed instantly.
Outside of a scratchy throat, I was completely fine. I learned a lesson about breaking that Love command.
Sister, I gave you a web site. (MY Church) to get info on Healing scriptures. I know you want to be free. What I don't want is for you not to at leas give the Lord a chance, and then continue saying it's not his will to heal everyone. I gave you what you need for victory!!!
Jesus Is Lord