Pastor Rob Bell apparently isn't enjoying the flack he is getting from other Christians over the claims in his book.
The defense he makes to try to deflect from the criticism strike me as just as wrong as his initial claims.
I have issues with a number of things he said in the article below, but I will comment on just two:
“I kept meeting religious people who were incredibly dogmatic about heaven and hell when you die but didn’t seem to care about the fact that 800,000,000 people will go to bed hungry tonight.” - Bell
-- His implication is that if you embrace what the scripture says, you are simply being "dogmatic" and it implies that automatically you do not care "about the fact that "800,000 will go to bed hungry tonight."
Where does this man come off making such a blanket assumption? It is a common method of deflection used to take the focus off yourself when you cannot defend your position.
Many churches, mine included, that believe what Jesus said in Matt 7:13-14 and the fact that He spoke more about the dangers of hell than the pleasure of heaven, also do food drives, contribue goods and time to food pantries, assist financially for people who have to choose between food and paying their electric bill or put gas in their car to get to work, etc.
"In fact, Jesus didn’t talk much about the afterlife at all," - Bell
-- Jesus spoke often about hell and as far as heaven goes, "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also."
The incorrect (dishonest?) implication by Bell is that unless something is spoken of OFTEN in the scriptures, there really isn't any need to put much credence in it or take it seriously.
That is the same argument that those claiming that homosexuality is acceptable to God use.
Just how often does Jesus have to say something before we are to take it seriously? ("As gospel"...if you will)
Just once....
Jesus said, "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." - Matt 4:4
Again: 'every word.'
Faith Hell-Questioning Pastor Rob Bell Says New Book Has Led Him to ‘Profound Brokenness’
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — Evangelical megachurch pastor Rob Bell said he did not anticipate the firestorm he would stir with his book that questions the traditional Christian belief that a select number of believers will spend eternity in heaven while everyone else is tormented in hell.
Bell said Tuesday that he not only didn’t set out to be controversial, he had no idea his best seller, “Love Wins,” would bring condemnation from people like Southern Baptist Seminary President Albert Mohler, who claims Bell is leading people astray.
“The last couple of weeks have been most painful in my life,” the pastor from Mars Hill Bible Church in Grand Rapids, Mich., told a crowd of about 1,600 at Nashville’s Belmont University on Tuesday after an audience member asked him about the criticism he has faced. “It has taken me to a place of profound brokenness.”
But he said that with God’s help he has been able to learn and grow from the experience.
Even before the book was published last month, religious leaders and their followers were branding it heresy, hailing it as a breakthrough or landing somewhere in the middle. Thousands have commented good and bad on Twitter, Facebook, blogs or outside their churches.
Bell said he wrote the book because the Christian message that God is love seems to have gotten lost.
“Is first thing that comes to mind when you hear the world Christian, is the first thing you hear, ‘Oh those are the people who never stop talking about God’s love?’ Or are we known for some other things?” he asked the crowd.
“I kept meeting religious people who were incredibly dogmatic about heaven and hell when you die but didn’t seem to care about the fact that 800,000,000 people will go to bed hungry tonight.”
He said that what he called “evacuation theology,“ or the idea that ”Jesus is your ticket to somewhere else,” is dangerous because it can cause people to miss Christ’s message about how to live in such harmony with God that you are creating a heaven on Earth.
“Jesus taught his disciples to pray, not ‘God, beam me up,‘ but ’Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven,’” Bell said.
In fact, Jesus didn’t talk much about the afterlife at all, he says.
“Jesus comes and announces the action is here and the action is now,” Bell said.
His 10,000-member Mars Hill Bible Church in Grand Rapids, Mich., has grown significantly under his leadership. He has made online videos and written other books that have been popular among younger evangelicals.
For many traditional Christians, Bell’s book sounds a lot like universalism — a heresy for many churches. It teaches that everyone, regardless of belief, will be saved by God. They argue that misleads people about the reality of the Christian faith. Bell has said he doesn’t teach universalism.
He says hell is something freely chosen that already exists on earth.
The defense he makes to try to deflect from the criticism strike me as just as wrong as his initial claims.
I have issues with a number of things he said in the article below, but I will comment on just two:
“I kept meeting religious people who were incredibly dogmatic about heaven and hell when you die but didn’t seem to care about the fact that 800,000,000 people will go to bed hungry tonight.” - Bell
-- His implication is that if you embrace what the scripture says, you are simply being "dogmatic" and it implies that automatically you do not care "about the fact that "800,000 will go to bed hungry tonight."
Where does this man come off making such a blanket assumption? It is a common method of deflection used to take the focus off yourself when you cannot defend your position.
Many churches, mine included, that believe what Jesus said in Matt 7:13-14 and the fact that He spoke more about the dangers of hell than the pleasure of heaven, also do food drives, contribue goods and time to food pantries, assist financially for people who have to choose between food and paying their electric bill or put gas in their car to get to work, etc.
"In fact, Jesus didn’t talk much about the afterlife at all," - Bell
-- Jesus spoke often about hell and as far as heaven goes, "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also."
The incorrect (dishonest?) implication by Bell is that unless something is spoken of OFTEN in the scriptures, there really isn't any need to put much credence in it or take it seriously.
That is the same argument that those claiming that homosexuality is acceptable to God use.
Just how often does Jesus have to say something before we are to take it seriously? ("As gospel"...if you will)
Just once....
Jesus said, "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." - Matt 4:4
Again: 'every word.'
Faith Hell-Questioning Pastor Rob Bell Says New Book Has Led Him to ‘Profound Brokenness’
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — Evangelical megachurch pastor Rob Bell said he did not anticipate the firestorm he would stir with his book that questions the traditional Christian belief that a select number of believers will spend eternity in heaven while everyone else is tormented in hell.
Bell said Tuesday that he not only didn’t set out to be controversial, he had no idea his best seller, “Love Wins,” would bring condemnation from people like Southern Baptist Seminary President Albert Mohler, who claims Bell is leading people astray.
“The last couple of weeks have been most painful in my life,” the pastor from Mars Hill Bible Church in Grand Rapids, Mich., told a crowd of about 1,600 at Nashville’s Belmont University on Tuesday after an audience member asked him about the criticism he has faced. “It has taken me to a place of profound brokenness.”
But he said that with God’s help he has been able to learn and grow from the experience.
Even before the book was published last month, religious leaders and their followers were branding it heresy, hailing it as a breakthrough or landing somewhere in the middle. Thousands have commented good and bad on Twitter, Facebook, blogs or outside their churches.
Bell said he wrote the book because the Christian message that God is love seems to have gotten lost.
“Is first thing that comes to mind when you hear the world Christian, is the first thing you hear, ‘Oh those are the people who never stop talking about God’s love?’ Or are we known for some other things?” he asked the crowd.
“I kept meeting religious people who were incredibly dogmatic about heaven and hell when you die but didn’t seem to care about the fact that 800,000,000 people will go to bed hungry tonight.”
He said that what he called “evacuation theology,“ or the idea that ”Jesus is your ticket to somewhere else,” is dangerous because it can cause people to miss Christ’s message about how to live in such harmony with God that you are creating a heaven on Earth.
“Jesus taught his disciples to pray, not ‘God, beam me up,‘ but ’Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven,’” Bell said.
In fact, Jesus didn’t talk much about the afterlife at all, he says.
“Jesus comes and announces the action is here and the action is now,” Bell said.
His 10,000-member Mars Hill Bible Church in Grand Rapids, Mich., has grown significantly under his leadership. He has made online videos and written other books that have been popular among younger evangelicals.
For many traditional Christians, Bell’s book sounds a lot like universalism — a heresy for many churches. It teaches that everyone, regardless of belief, will be saved by God. They argue that misleads people about the reality of the Christian faith. Bell has said he doesn’t teach universalism.
He says hell is something freely chosen that already exists on earth.
