Hell, Sheol, Hades...

[GRACE ambassador]

...Paradise, and the grave

Precious friends, for our further preparation, this is submitted in love:

"
...A proper understanding of what the Bible teaches about Hell,
Sheol, Hades, and the Grave dispels confusion over what happens to
the soul at the time of physical death and guards against being led
astray by those teaching the false doctrines...

...There seems to be some confusion about the meaning of Hell and
who goes there because of the way the Hebrew word Sheol and the
Greek word Hades have been translated in our English Bibles. Since
this confusion has led some into an erroneous understanding of what
the Bible actually teaches about the intermediate state and the final
state of the dead, we think that it is important that we address this
subject...

Sheol is found in the Bible sixty-five times. It is translated “the pit”
three times, “the grave” thirty-one times, and “hell” thirty-one times.
Hades is used eleven times, being rendered “hell” ten times and “grave”
once.

Adding to the confusion is that two other words are also translated hell
in the New Testament. These are Tartarus, which is found once and
Gehenna, which is used twelve times.

The term “Hell” is commonly understood to mean a place of torment
where the souls of the wicked go after physical death. This is true.
However, because Hades in the New Testament and Sheol in the Old
are variously rendered hell or grave, there has been some misunder-
standing about what hell and the grave are. Before looking at these
words though, we should first give our attention to the Greek word
Gehenna...
"
(E Bedore)

IF you wish not dozens of Scriptures, word studies, and many
examples Concerning Truth, Then Please do not attempt This:
FULL study:

Hell, Sheol, Hades, Paradise, and the grave (Part I)
Hell, Sheol, Hades, Paradise, and the grave (Part II)



GRACE And Peace...

 

[dev553344]

...Paradise, and the grave

Precious friends, for our further preparation, this is submitted in love:

"
...A proper understanding of what the Bible teaches about Hell,
Sheol, Hades, and the Grave dispels confusion over what happens to
the soul at the time of physical death and guards against being led
astray by those teaching the false doctrines...

...There seems to be some confusion about the meaning of Hell and
who goes there because of the way the Hebrew word Sheol and the
Greek word Hades have been translated in our English Bibles. Since
this confusion has led some into an erroneous understanding of what
the Bible actually teaches about the intermediate state and the final
state of the dead, we think that it is important that we address this
subject...

Sheol is found in the Bible sixty-five times. It is translated “the pit”
three times, “the grave” thirty-one times, and “hell” thirty-one times.
Hades is used eleven times, being rendered “hell” ten times and “grave”
once.

Adding to the confusion is that two other words are also translated hell
in the New Testament. These are Tartarus, which is found once and
Gehenna, which is used twelve times.

The term “Hell” is commonly understood to mean a place of torment
where the souls of the wicked go after physical death. This is true.
However, because Hades in the New Testament and Sheol in the Old
are variously rendered hell or grave, there has been some misunder-
standing about what hell and the grave are. Before looking at these
words though, we should first give our attention to the Greek word
Gehenna...
"
(E Bedore)

IF you wish not dozens of Scriptures, word studies, and many
examples Concerning Truth, Then Please do not attempt This:
FULL study:

Hell, Sheol, Hades, Paradise, and the grave (Part I)
Hell, Sheol, Hades, Paradise, and the grave (Part II)

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GRACE And Peace...

Sounds very confusing

 

[Robert Gwin]

...Paradise, and the grave

Precious friends, for our further preparation, this is submitted in love:

"
...A proper understanding of what the Bible teaches about Hell,
Sheol, Hades, and the Grave dispels confusion over what happens to
the soul at the time of physical death and guards against being led
astray by those teaching the false doctrines...

...There seems to be some confusion about the meaning of Hell and
who goes there because of the way the Hebrew word Sheol and the
Greek word Hades have been translated in our English Bibles. Since
this confusion has led some into an erroneous understanding of what
the Bible actually teaches about the intermediate state and the final
state of the dead, we think that it is important that we address this
subject...

Sheol is found in the Bible sixty-five times. It is translated “the pit”
three times, “the grave” thirty-one times, and “hell” thirty-one times.
Hades is used eleven times, being rendered “hell” ten times and “grave”
once.

Adding to the confusion is that two other words are also translated hell
in the New Testament. These are Tartarus, which is found once and
Gehenna, which is used twelve times.

The term “Hell” is commonly understood to mean a place of torment
where the souls of the wicked go after physical death. This is true.
However, because Hades in the New Testament and Sheol in the Old
are variously rendered hell or grave, there has been some misunder-
standing about what hell and the grave are. Before looking at these
words though, we should first give our attention to the Greek word
Gehenna...
"
(E Bedore)

IF you wish not dozens of Scriptures, word studies, and many
examples Concerning Truth, Then Please do not attempt This:
FULL study:

Hell, Sheol, Hades, Paradise, and the grave (Part I)
Hell, Sheol, Hades, Paradise, and the grave (Part II)

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GRACE And Peace...

In simple terms, hell is the grave, and it will be emptied and no longer necessary when all are resurrected.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

...Paradise, and the grave

Precious friends, for our further preparation, this is submitted in love:

"
...A proper understanding of what the Bible teaches about Hell,
Sheol, Hades, and the Grave dispels confusion over what happens to
the soul at the time of physical death and guards against being led
astray by those teaching the false doctrines...

...There seems to be some confusion about the meaning of Hell and
who goes there because of the way the Hebrew word Sheol and the
Greek word Hades have been translated in our English Bibles. Since
this confusion has led some into an erroneous understanding of what
the Bible actually teaches about the intermediate state and the final
state of the dead, we think that it is important that we address this
subject...

Sheol is found in the Bible sixty-five times. It is translated “the pit”
three times, “the grave” thirty-one times, and “hell” thirty-one times.
Hades is used eleven times, being rendered “hell” ten times and “grave”
once.

Adding to the confusion is that two other words are also translated hell
in the New Testament. These are Tartarus, which is found once and
Gehenna, which is used twelve times.

The term “Hell” is commonly understood to mean a place of torment
where the souls of the wicked go after physical death. This is true.
However, because Hades in the New Testament and Sheol in the Old
are variously rendered hell or grave, there has been some misunder-
standing about what hell and the grave are. Before looking at these
words though, we should first give our attention to the Greek word
Gehenna...
"
(E Bedore)

IF you wish not dozens of Scriptures, word studies, and many
examples Concerning Truth, Then Please do not attempt This:
FULL study:

Hell, Sheol, Hades, Paradise, and the grave (Part I)
Hell, Sheol, Hades, Paradise, and the grave (Part II)

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GRACE And Peace...

The word hell is a word used in the king James Version as well as in the Catholic Douay Version and most older translations) to translate the Hebrew word sheohl and the Greek word haides. In the King James Version the word “hell” is rendered from the hebrew word sheohl 31 times and from the greek word haides 10 times. This version is not consistent, however, since the hebrew word sheohl is also translated 31 times “grave” and 3 times “pit.” In the Douay Version the hebrew word sheohl is translated “hell” 64 times, “pit” once, and “death” once.

In 1885, with the publication of the complete English Revised Version, the original hebrew word sheohl was in many places transliterated into the English text of the Hebrew Scriptures, though, in most occurrences, “grave” and “pit” were used, and “hell” is found some 14 times. This was a point on which the American committee disagreed with the British revisers, and so, when producing the American Standard Version (1901) they transliterated the hebrew word sheohl in all 65 of its appearances. Both versions transliterated the Greek word haides in the Christian Greek Scriptures in all ten of its occurrences, though the Greek word Geenna (English, “Gehenna”) is translated “hell” throughout, as is true of many other modern translations.

Concerning this use of “hell” to translate these original words from the Hebrew and Greek Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (1981, Vol. 2, p. 187) says: “HADES corresponds to ‘Sheol’ in the Old Testament. In the American Version of the Old Testament and New Testament, it has been unhappily rendered ‘Hell.’”

Collier's Encyclopedia (1986, Vol. 12, p. 28) says concerning “Hell”: “First it stands for the Hebrew Sheol of the Old Testament and the Greek Hades of the Septuagint and New Testament. Since Sheol in Old Testament times referred simply to the abode of the dead and suggested no moral distinctions, the word ‘hell,’ as understood today, is not a happy translation.”

It is, in fact, because of the way that the word “hell” is understood today that it is such an unsatisfactory translation of these original Bible words. Webster's Third New International Dictionary, unabridged, under “Hell” says: “from helan which means to conceal.” The word “hell” thus originally conveyed no thought of heat or torment but simply of a ‘covered over or concealed place.’ In the old English dialect the expression “helling potatoes” meant, not to roast them, but simply to place the potatoes in the ground or in a cellar.

The meaning given today to the word “hell” is that portrayed in Dante’s Divine Comedy and Milton’s Paradise Lost, which meaning is completely foreign to the original definition of the word. The idea of a “hell” of fiery torment, however, dates back long before Dante or Milton.

 

[ElieG12]

@BARNEY BRIGHT Exactly.

The idea of a hellfire is totally foreign to original biblical words and what they mean.

The Biblical words Sheol/Hades have never meant hellfire out of the imagination of some believers confused by the Roman tradition.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

@BARNEY BRIGHT Exactly.

The idea of a hellfire is totally foreign to original biblical words and what they mean.

The Biblical words Sheol/Hades have never meant hellfire out of the imagination of some believers confused by the Roman tradition.

I'm sure you know that the idea of a hellfire or a place of fiery torment for the wicked goes way back to the Babylonian Empire. The pagans believed this way because unlike what scripture teaches us the Babylonians well all pagans believed humans have souls not that humans are souls as scripture teaches us. So the idea of humans having souls is a pagan concept, not a scriptural concept.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

...Paradise, and the grave

Precious friends, for our further preparation, this is submitted in love:

"
...A proper understanding of what the Bible teaches about Hell,
Sheol, Hades, and the Grave dispels confusion over what happens to
the soul at the time of physical death and guards against being led
astray by those teaching the false doctrines...

...There seems to be some confusion about the meaning of Hell and
who goes there because of the way the Hebrew word Sheol and the
Greek word Hades have been translated in our English Bibles. Since
this confusion has led some into an erroneous understanding of what
the Bible actually teaches about the intermediate state and the final
state of the dead, we think that it is important that we address this
subject...

Sheol is found in the Bible sixty-five times. It is translated “the pit”
three times, “the grave” thirty-one times, and “hell” thirty-one times.
Hades is used eleven times, being rendered “hell” ten times and “grave”
once.

Adding to the confusion is that two other words are also translated hell
in the New Testament. These are Tartarus, which is found once and
Gehenna, which is used twelve times.

The term “Hell” is commonly understood to mean a place of torment
where the souls of the wicked go after physical death. This is true.
However, because Hades in the New Testament and Sheol in the Old
are variously rendered hell or grave, there has been some misunder-
standing about what hell and the grave are. Before looking at these
words though, we should first give our attention to the Greek word
Gehenna...
"
(E Bedore)

IF you wish not dozens of Scriptures, word studies, and many
examples Concerning Truth, Then Please do not attempt This:
FULL study:

Hell, Sheol, Hades, Paradise, and the grave (Part I)
Hell, Sheol, Hades, Paradise, and the grave (Part II)

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GRACE And Peace...

It is interesting that this thread came out 6 months ago and only one person commented on it. That is typical, no one likes the topic, they stay away from it, even churches steer away from it and maybe just mention it abrubtly, as the unbelievers final destination and that's it - next. Even my Pastor whom was an excellent theologian, never went into much detail. Why? Because it is a stumbling block for most of us. Unbelievers look for reasons not to believe and one main objection to them is, "I can't worship a God who would create an eternal torture chamber!"

This was a good study, however I disagree in a couple areas. You see, I too have an objection that God would create an eternal torture chamber for those who have sinned for a lifetime that might have only lived a few decades or less. Even a whole lifetime of sinning should not yield eternal suffering. God is fair and just and punishments are proportionate to the sin

Unbelieving souls go to Hades (the underworld, but separate from Tarturus, where the demons are) and await their final judgment. At that time as the study says, they are resurrected to experience their final judgment. Which is what, to go back to Hades or deeper into the Abyss/Bottonless Pit? No, to be thrown into the Lake of Fire, which is Hell. Hades isn't Hell and that is a mistranslation. How do I know this? Because at this final, Great White Throne Judgment, Death and Hades are thrown into the Lake of Fire and destroyed.( Rev. 20:14) This is a final event. Sheol can't be the same as Hell if is thrown into itself - doesn't make sense. Death is thrown in there as well. Wait, wasn't death part of Sheol? Yes. And they both will be consumed by the Lake of Fire. And why am I referring to the Lake of Fire as Hell? Because it is the final judgmet that coincides with the destruction of the first heaven and first earth, a massive annihilating fire described in 2 Peter 3:10 The elements of the first earth and universe are burned up in a fervent heat.
So if Sheol (Hades) and the Abyss (Tarturus) are in the underworld, the lower parts of the earth (which scripture claims and I believe) and God destroys the earth ( with Hades and everyone in it, the Abyss and all demons and Satan in it); then it and they won't exist anymore. "Behold, I make all things new, all former things have passed away". (Rev. 21:1)
So it is not an eternal Hell (of punishment and destruction) because the word "aionios" has also a temporal meaning, ages, lifetimes, generations). And destruction means just that, to put an end to. Therefore the translation of aionios into eternal or everlasting was misibterpreted and really means age-lasting or age-during. It's eternal meaning only applies to God and His domain, Heaven.

 

[ElieG12]

An immortal soul alive in any other place and under whatever conditions you want to add to that myth, is an idea totally opposed to the resurrection of dead people, the righteous and unrighteous.

It is of the Devil to confuse people with false ideas, because the more subtle his deceptions are, the more confusion he brings about the Biblical truths that give humanity true hope and bring them closer to the God of love who created us.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

It is interesting that this thread came out 6 months ago and only one person commented on it. That is typical, no one likes the topic, they stay away from it, even churches steer away from it and maybe just mention it abrubtly, as the unbelievers final destination and that's it - next. Even my Pastor whom was an excellent theologian, never went into much detail. Why? Because it is a stumbling block for most of us. Unbelievers look for reasons not to believe and one main objection to them is, "I can't worship a God who would create an eternal torture chamber!"

This was a good study, however I disagree in a couple areas. You see, I too have an objection that God would create an eternal torture chamber for those who have sinned for a lifetime that might have only lived a few decades or less. Even a whole lifetime of sinning should not yield eternal suffering. God is fair and just and punishments are proportionate to the sin

Unbelieving souls go to Hades (the underworld, but separate from Tarturus, where the demons are) and await their final judgment. At that time as the study says, they are resurrected to experience their final judgment. Which is what, to go back to Hades or deeper into the Abyss/Bottonless Pit? No, to be thrown into the Lake of Fire, which is Hell. Hades isn't Hell and that is a mistranslation. How do I know this? Because at this final, Great White Throne Judgment, Death and Hades are thrown into the Lake of Fire and destroyed.( Rev. 20:14) This is a final event. Sheol can't be the same as Hell if is thrown into itself - doesn't make sense. Death is thrown in there as well. Wait, wasn't death part of Sheol? Yes. And they both will be consumed by the Lake of Fire. And why am I referring to the Lake of Fire as Hell? Because it is the final judgmet that coincides with the destruction of the first heaven and first earth, a massive annihilating fire described in 2 Peter 3:10 The elements of the first earth and universe are burned up in a fervent heat.
So if Sheol (Hades) and the Abyss (Tarturus) are in the underworld, the lower parts of the earth (which scripture claims and I believe) and God destroys the earth ( with Hades and everyone in it, the Abyss and all demons and Satan in it); then it and they won't exist anymore. "Behold, I make all things new, all former things have passed away". (Rev. 21:4)
So it is not an eternal Hell (of punishment and destruction) because the word "aionios" has also a temporal meaning, ages, lifetimes, generations). And destruction means just that, to put an end to. Therefore the translation of aionios into eternal or everlasting was misibterpreted and really means age-lasting or age-during. It's eternal meaning only applies to God and His domain, Heaven.

Totally disagree. The scriptures don't say humans have souls, scripture says that humans are souls. Meaning God created humans in a way that the flesh and blood human body became a living soul or living person when God blew the breath(spirit) of life into the flesh and blood human body. So humans don't have living souls or living persons in their flesh and blood human bodies, instead humans flesh and blood human bodies are living souls or living persons.

 

[Davy]

...Paradise, and the grave

Precious friends, for our further preparation, this is submitted in love:

"
...A proper understanding of what the Bible teaches about Hell,
Sheol, Hades, and the Grave dispels confusion over what happens to
the soul at the time of physical death and guards against being led
astray by those teaching the false doctrines...

...There seems to be some confusion about the meaning of Hell and
who goes there because of the way the Hebrew word Sheol and the
Greek word Hades have been translated in our English Bibles. Since
this confusion has led some into an erroneous understanding of what
the Bible actually teaches about the intermediate state and the final
state of the dead, we think that it is important that we address this
subject...

Sheol is found in the Bible sixty-five times. It is translated “the pit”
three times, “the grave” thirty-one times, and “hell” thirty-one times.
Hades is used eleven times, being rendered “hell” ten times and “grave”
once.

Adding to the confusion is that two other words are also translated hell
in the New Testament. These are Tartarus, which is found once and
Gehenna, which is used twelve times.

The term “Hell” is commonly understood to mean a place of torment
where the souls of the wicked go after physical death. This is true.
However, because Hades in the New Testament and Sheol in the Old
are variously rendered hell or grave, there has been some misunder-
standing about what hell and the grave are. Before looking at these
words though, we should first give our attention to the Greek word
Gehenna...
"
(E Bedore)

IF you wish not dozens of Scriptures, word studies, and many
examples Concerning Truth, Then Please do not attempt This:
FULL study:

Hell, Sheol, Hades, Paradise, and the grave (Part I)
Hell, Sheol, Hades, Paradise, and the grave (Part II)

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GRACE And Peace...

Already at Part I, the author of that article shows confusion away from Bible Scripture, simply because the 'geena' in The New Testament that is translated in the KJV to "hell", is NOT ABOUT THE ABODE OF THE WICKED CALLED HELL. It is... the future "lake of fire", so the author got that part right at least. But it is not HELL, nor a type of HELL, which that author got wrong.

The future "lake of fire" is a future event that will occur AFTER... Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20. And if you look at this, you notice that the abode of the wicked called HELL will go into that future "lake of fire" and be destroyed...

Rev 20:14-15
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
KJV

Psalms 37 especially reveals that future "lake of fire" is a one-time destruction event...

Ps 37:10-11
10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.
11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
KJV

Ps 37:20
20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
KJV

Ps 37:34
34 Wait on the LORD, and keep His way, and He shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it.
KJV

Ps 37:35-36
35 I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree.
36 Yet he passed away, and, lo, he was not: yea, I sought him, but he could not be found.
KJV

What the Psalms is showing is that the future "lake of fire" is TRULY A TYPE OF DEATH, which is why Revelation 20 calls being cast into it the "second death"! How can anyone miss that point?!?

So are flesh people when their flesh dies, is their flesh body in a CONTINUAL STATE OF DYING? Goodness NO! Likewise, when Satan, death, and the abode of the wicked called 'hell', is ALL cast into that future "lake of fire", it means IMMEDIATE DESTRUCTION. And the SMOKE of their burning is what lasts forever and forever.

This is why one of Satan's titles is the "son of perdition", because he has already been judged and sentenced to PERISH in that future "lake of fire". That is what 'perdition' means, i.e., to PERISH, destroyed, gone, no more like the Psalmist said.

 

[Enoch111]

Sounds very confusing

There are two primary reasons why this subject is confusing: (1) the King James translators used the English word "hell" indiscriminately for three different regions (Hades, Hell, and Tartarus) and (2) the cults have twisted everything in order to teach that (a) there is no eternal Hell and eternal torment, (b) souls sleep in their graves, and (c) "destruction" means annihilation rather than eternal damnation. So let's clear up the confusion:

A. SHEOL/HADES
The Hebrew word Sheol should never have been translated as "the grave" or "the pit" or "hell". And the Greek word Hades should never have been translated as "hell". What was Sheol in the OT is Hades in the NT, and this is confirmed when Peter speaks about the resurrection of Christ.

This was formerly the abode of all the souls and spirits of those who died. Their bodies went into their graves, but their souls and spirits went into "the lower parts of the earth" or "the heart of the earth". The righteous dead were separated from the unrighteous by a great chasm. This is also where Christ was for three days and three nights before His resurrection. On the day of resurrection, He took all the righteous dead from Hades to Paradise in the New Jerusalem. But the unrighteous dead remained there, and continue to go there to await their final judgment. When someone dies they either go to Heaven or to Hades. They do not have a soul sleep six feet under the surface of the earth.

B. GEHENNA
This word has been correctly translated as Hell, and this is indeed eternal Hell. The Bible calls it the Lake of Fire, which is located in "outer darkness". This is the place of eternal torment, created for the devil and his angels, but also reserved for those who are not saved: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Rev 21:8)

When the Bible says that "death and Hades were cast into the Lake of Fire", that is purely metaphorical. When death is terminated on earth then it is said to be "cast into the Lake of Fire". When all the occupants of Hades are cast into Hell, then Hades is terminated and said to be "cast into the Lake of Fire".

C. TARTARUS
This is the prison of the evil angels which sinned before the Flood and corrupted the earth. They are chained in darkness, awaiting their final judgment.

 

[Keturah]

I just read, study and pray and allow God's Spirit to teach me the Truth and reveal understanding in me.

Jesus is the possessor of the keys to DEATH, HELL AND THE GRAVE.

IT is appointed unto men ONCE to die ( body returns to the ground from whence it was made )then the judgment. I believe God rather than man !

If his word tells me all these along with the AC, devil, beast, the fallen angels as well as blasphemers of his Holy Spirit and ALL REJECTERS & UNBELIEVERS of God will burn forever in eternity; THEN IT IS SO.

God is not a liar!

Thank you Grace, carry on in your well studied concise thread !
With folks on ignore it is easier to listen & learn.

 

 

[Wrangler]

In simple terms, hell is the grave, and it will be emptied and no longer necessary when all are resurrected.

I like simple. Thanks!

 

[Wrangler]

It is interesting that this thread came out 6 months ago and only one person commented on it. That is typical, no one likes the topic, they stay away from it

It is interesting. @Aunty Jane referenced in a thread ~6 months ago that there are several pervasive myths in Christianity and eternal, fiery suffering is one.

Unbelievers look for reasons not to believe and one main objection to them is, "I can't worship a God who would create an eternal torture chamber!"

... I too have an objection that God would create an eternal torture chamber ... God is fair and just and punishments are proportionate to the sin

The objection to the myth of hell is, therefore, not limited to unbelievers. It's time to dispense with the myth. "Hell" is a just a holding place for the dead, aka the grave.

they are resurrected to experience their final judgment.

This is why I believe in Soul Sleep. There is hardly a point to being resurrected if we have been conscious all the time, from death to Judgment Day.

Which is what, to go back to Hades or deeper into the Abyss/Bottonless Pit? No, to be thrown into the Lake of Fire, which is Hell.

Aren't you contradicting yourself here since above, you said you do not believe in the myth of hell being eternal, fiery torment?

In my reading of Scripture, the Lake of Fire is not 'the holding place of the dead (hell)' but the Second Death (meaning ultimate destruction). People confuse eternal suffering with eternal consequences. People who are saved are not eternally saved, meaning saved every moment thereafter. It is a one time event and done. This is the meaning of judgement; it is final - not continual.

The Lake of Fire, itself, may eternally burn. However, being thrown into the Lake of Fire has eternal consequences, meaning final, it does not mean you are eternally thrown into the Lake. That is, those thrown in are utterly annihilated, once and for all. This ultimately leaves one group of people who exist, the saved. I submit any other formulation is inherently contradictory.

 

[Wrangler]

An immortal soul

Another myth that @Aunty Jane pointed out.

Jesus said to fear the one who can destroy your soul. Therefore, it cannot be immortal.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I like simple. Thanks!

Mee two my friend!

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The objection to the myth of hell is, therefore, not limited to unbelievers.

I never said hell is a myth, I said it was the Lake of Fire that may not exist now but is an event when God destroys the first earth and first heaven ( along with Hades, all that are in Hades and death itself) in a fervent heat (2 Peter 3:10)

In my reading of Scripture, the Lake of Fire is not 'the holding place of the dead (hell)' but the Second Death (meaning ultimate destruction).

Hades is the holding place. It is much deeper than 6 feet sir! But you are right that the second death is ultimate destruction. There cannot be an eternal state of indestructible destructuon or imperishanle perishing. Destruction means to out an end to. As we see bodies cremated in minutes - that is what fire does. God can destroy both body and soul.

Some of the ideas about hell came from Gehenna, The Valley if Hinnom, a deep ravine south of Jerusalem. This is where the Cannanites used to sacrifice and burn humans to Molech, a false god. Later, it became a perpetual burning dump for dead and diseased animals. Symbolically and physically, Gehenna gave a peraspective of hell to the Jews. Jesus even cursed the Pharisees to the Gehenna (Matthew 23:33 YLT). So it was a shadow representarion if the final Gehenna ON EARTH.
SHEOL comes from the word "shaol", which means to ask, demand or require. So Hades (and Satan) therefore is hungry and unsatisfied, asking,demanding and requiring souls. Satans drawing power tempts souls to, "Come to Daddy!" The lost store up wrath and sin pulling them closer to their destiny. Fortunately, God has a strong drawing power of Grace to thwart Satan's and our actions.
You have to ask, what satisfaction and sense of accomplishment would Satan get from just tempting people to just enter jni a soul sleep and then at he end just get to be resurrected and thrown into a fire for a minute of conscious pain? Unless of course hell was eternal, then he would have their company.
Here are some verses tha refute soul sleep:
Job 10:21-22 > The land of darkness and deep shadow is not a descriptuin of a grave.
Job 11:7-8 > The depths of God are compared to the depths of Sheol - obviously deeper than 6 feet.
Job 26:5-6 > Hades also means hidden and unseen from us. The description of departed spirits " trembling under the waters" suggests under the crust of the earth's aquifers. "Abaddon has no covering". Abaddon is the angel of the Abyss, thw destroyer released during the Apocolyose (Rev. 9:11). So we can see that Abaddon is not in a burial grave or tomb with the bones of a dead person!!!
Job 38:17 > This reveals that death is a doorway, it has gates. Jesus made a reference to the gates of Hades in (Matthew 16:18)
Deuteronomy 32:22 > *** Here a "fire is kindled" in God's anger "and burns to the "
lowest part of Sheol and consumes the earth with its yield and sets on fire the foundations if the mountains". This is a key verse that actually describes a super volcanic eruption that will take place in the end.
" Do not hold back discipline from the child, although you strike him with a rod, he will not die. You shall stike him with a rod and RESCUE his soul from SHEOL." Proverbs 24:13-14 Now obviously discpline does not save us from physical death and the grave. No, this is talking about saving iur soul from Sheol.
Jonah 2: 1-7 > describes Jonah crying out from the "depth of Sheol". The belly of the whale was not a grave. No Jonah died and cried out to God. "Water encompassed me to the point of death ... I descended to the roots of the mountains, the earth with its bars (gates) was around me forever, but You have brought up my life FROM THE PIT, O LORD my God."
Luke 16:23-31 > This is not a parable! Parables don't mension names of real people, like Abraham. What moral truth could be gained from describing a place that does not exist? Parables don't describe fictional, abstract territories.
2 Peter 2:4-6
Matthew11:23
Ezekiel 26:20-21 > Here again, the lower parts of the earth, " the pit" are mentioned. God says, " I will make you dwell in the lower parts of the earth ... I will bring terrors on you ..." Does that sound like sleeping in the grave?
Ezekiel 32:24 > During the Great Tribulation, inhabitants_ on the earth _ when it splits opens _ will fall into these fissures, the pit, and some will try to climb out in terror and be snared.
Psalm 140:10 " burning coals fall on them ... cast into fire into deep pits from which they cannot arise."


If those verses don't change your mind about Hades, nothing will.

 

[Wrangler]

I never said hell is a myth

I never said hell is a myth either!

Is your reading comprehension really that bad? I said the myth of hell. Muhammad Ali once said he was so fast, he turn flip the light switch and be in bed before the light shut off. While Muhammad Ali is real, this myth of Ali is not real. Sheesh!

 

[Wrangler]

Ezekiel 26:20-21 > Here again, the lower parts of the earth, " the pit" are mentioned. God says, " I will make you dwell in the lower parts of the earth ... I will bring terrors on you ..." Does that sound like sleeping in the grave?

Personification. Ez 26 is talking about the city of Tyre. Do cities sleep or have feeling, like terror?

 

[Scott Downey]

I never said hell is a myth, I said it was the Lake of Fire that may not exist now but is an event when God destroys the first earth and first heaven ( along with Hades, all that are in Hades and death itself) in a fervent heat (2 Peter 3:10)

Hades is the holding place. It is much deeper than 6 feet sir! But you are right that the second death is ultimate destruction. There cannot be an eternal state of indestructible destructuon or imperishanle perishing. Destruction means to out an end to. As we see bodies cremated in minutes - that is what fire does. God can destroy both body and soul.

Some of the ideas about hell came from Gehenna, The Valley if Hinnom, a deep ravine south of Jerusalem. This is where the Cannanites used to sacrifice and burn humans to Molech, a false god. Later, it became a perpetual burning dump for dead and diseased animals. Symbolically and physically, Gehenna gave a peraspective of hell to the Jews. Jesus even cursed the Pharisees to the Gehenna (Matthew 23:33 YLT). So it was a shadow representarion if the final Gehenna ON EARTH.
SHEOL comes from the word "shaol", which means to ask, demand or require. So Hades (and Satan) therefore is hungry and unsatisfied, asking,demanding and requiring souls. Satans drawing power tempts souls to, "Come to Daddy!" The lost store up wrath and sin pulling them closer to their destiny. Fortunately, God has a strong drawing power of Grace to thwart Satan's and our actions.
You have to ask, what satisfaction and sense of accomplishment would Satan get from just tempting people to just enter jni a soul sleep and then at he end just get to be resurrected and thrown into a fire for a minute of conscious pain? Unless of course hell was eternal, then he would have their company.
Here are some verses tha refute soul sleep:
Job 10:21-22 > The land of darkness and deep shadow is not a descriptuin of a grave.
Job 11:7-8 > The depths of God are compared to the depths of Sheol - obviously deeper than 6 feet.
Job 26:5-6 > Hades also means hidden and unseen from us. The description of departed spirits " trembling under the waters" suggests under the crust of the earth's aquifers. "Abaddon has no covering". Abaddon is the angel of the Abyss, thw destroyer released during the Apocolyose (Rev. 9:11). So we can see that Abaddon is not in a burial grave or tomb with the bones of a dead person!!!
Job 38:17 > This reveals that death is a doorway, it has gates. Jesus made a reference to the gates of Hades in (Matthew 16:18)
Deuteronomy 32:22 > *** Here a "fire is kindled" in God's anger "and burns to the "
lowest part of Sheol and consumes the earth with its yield and sets on fire the foundations if the mountains". This is a key verse that actually describes a super volcanic eruption that will take place in the end.
" Do not hold back discipline from the child, although you strike him with a rod, he will not die. You shall stike him with a rod and RESCUE his soul from SHEOL." Proverbs 24:13-14 Now obviously discpline does not save us from physical death and the grave. No, this is talking about saving iur soul from Sheol.
Jonah 2: 1-7 > describes Jonah crying out from the "depth of Sheol". The belly of the whale was not a grave. No Jonah died and cried out to God. "Water encompassed me to the point of death ... I descended to the roots of the mountains, the earth with its bars (gates) was around me forever, but You have brought up my life FROM THE PIT, O LORD my God."
Luke 16:23-31 > This is not a parable! Parables don't mension names of real people, like Abraham. What moral truth could be gained from describing a place that does not exist? Parables don't describe fictional, abstract territories.
2 Peter 2:4-6
Matthew11:23
Ezekiel 26:20-21 > Here again, the lower parts of the earth, " the pit" are mentioned. God says, " I will make you dwell in the lower parts of the earth ... I will bring terrors on you ..." Does that sound like sleeping in the grave?
Ezekiel 32:24 > During the Great Tribulation, inhabitants_ on the earth _ when it splits opens _ will fall into these fissures, the pit, and some will try to climb out in terror and be snared.
Psalm 140:10 " burning coals fall on them ... cast into fire into deep pits from which they cannot arise."


If those verses don't change your mind about Hades, nothing will.

To a JW, hell is just the grave and all who die cease to exist till the ressurection. But we know from scripture that is false.