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Luke 16:24-26 . . Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so
that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I
am in agony in this flame. But Abraham said: Between us and you there is a
great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you
will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.

It's easy to imagine that the "great chasm" is something like the Grand
Canyon; but in reality the distance across can't be all that far otherwise



Abraham and the rich man couldn't speak to one another.

Huh? Sure they could. You just quoted Scripture of the rich man SPEAKING TO Abraham!

It seems likely to
me that the chasm Abraham spoke of is a sort of crevasse, i.e. a bottomless
fissure just wide enough to prevent pedestrians.

No need to sepculate. The separation between believing souls, and unbelieving souls in hell;
Was a Great GULF fixed....ie Water.
Obviously less, they could communicated, but Great they could not cross.

Anyway, point being: I'm heaven-bound;

Good.

but I'm not so sure of many of my
friends, relatives, and associates. If they fail to make the cut,

Pretty common with most folks.

I'm crossing
my fingers that there will be some way that I can contact them in the
afterlife after we've all passed on.

Not possible.

It deeply saddens me to think there's a
possibility I might not be allowed to see any of them ever again until the day
of our final good-byes during the event planned for Rev 20:11-15.

You have already decides that would be a SAD feeling for you. There is NO SADNESS, in Gods Kindgom. You will remember them no more.

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-mancy, has nothing whatsoever to do with life more abundantly or changing your mind, and i mean this wadr ok
Rev 20 is hidden from the wise
just go ask BreadOfLife how, and he will witness how for you.

pay attention to the great chasm, fixed between you, if you will

No thanks. I was asking you about something you stated and what directed you to that belief. If you don't know, okay.

I have no desire to ask BOL why you believe what you do.

And BTW - are differences are not between our souls; but rather my Spiritual Heartfelt beliefs are in disagreement with his Natural Mindful beliefs.

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A man stops "creating evil spirits" ??

How does a man "create evil spirits" ??

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just go ask BreadOfLife how, and he will witness how for you.

pay attention to the great chasm, fixed between you, if you will
I have no desire to ask BOL why you believe what you do.
well, i didn't quite mean for you to ask him that Q, but to witness "evil spirits." of course "evil spirits" are an arbitrary thing, in the end, anyway
 

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And BTW - are differences are not between our souls; but rather my Spiritual Heartfelt beliefs are in disagreement with his Natural Mindful beliefs.
i guess that answer works for you, but i seriously doubt that BoL could be accused of not having heartfelt beliefs?
even if they were instilled by the World Church. i guess we all start there, more or less
BoL is serving God, one way or another, or God would have cut him off already i guess
 

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well, i didn't quite mean for you to ask him that Q

okay, good.

but to witness "evil spirits."

Perhaps he has personal experience with that.....Not my interest.

of course "evil spirits" are an arbitrary thing, in the end, anyway

In the end, having been a personal whimsical idea? Or do you mean, already dealt with, and thus have no consideration to think about? Or something else?

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i guess that answer works for you, but i seriously doubt that BoL could be accused of not having heartfelt beliefs?
even if they were instilled by the World Church. i guess we all start there, more or less
BoL is serving God, one way or another, or God would have cut him off already i guess

BOL preaches with his mind, and mindful accusations, and promotes philosophies of men. I don't agree with him or his methods.

It is Gods judgement to accept or cut off a man.
And it is the Catholic clerics who judge to keep a man who dictates what they say, or cuts the man off.

Serving God one way or another; is an interesting concise point. Even Gods enemies Serve Him.

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okay, good.



Perhaps he has personal experience with that.....Not my interest.



In the end, having been a personal whimsical idea? Or do you mean, already dealt with, and thus have no consideration to think about? Or something else?

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i mean evil is in the eye of the beholder, at least on a certain level.
like truth, it is hard to pin down, at least
 

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And it is the Catholic clerics who judge to keep a man who dictates what they say, or cuts the man off.
i guess priests are just ppl too, but my experience has been that most priests are really not judgemental at all. Many humble priests. Many of the others too though i guess
 

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i guess priests are just ppl too, but my experience has been that most priests are really not judgemental at all. Many humble priests. Many of the others too though i guess

Remember; all secular education; be it for priesthood, or any particular cleric-ship, or physicians, teachers, whatever....has a curriculum that often includes a philosophical idea of man.

Perhaps I shouldn't have included physicians, we already know flat out, they practice trying out things to see if it will work or not. LOL

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Or something else?
well, i don't mean they don't exist, but that they are easily overcome by resistance. This can be demonstrated IRL by mediating anywhere an evil spirit is roaring, even among complete strangers! That you are a complete stranger to the other two will not even be noticed in the moment, with the right simple observation; whereas another option would be to ignore, or even join the fight (fight the devil). Of course you could also pour gas on a fire, too. But don't put pearls before swine, lest they trample your pearls, and then turn and rend you. (No sense mediating between two ppl who just want to fight)

what this last thing is telling you also is that if you put pearls before unknown or untested ppl, and they trample your pearls and rend you, you know you are dealing with swine. In the Mideast they will usually liquor you up a little first to lower your inhibitions. At least the Jews i know, not sure how the Muslims do this. Not sure they even do this tbh, they have a different public code than us and the Jews, we are the Emos of the religious world lol, PDAs (kissing) etc. Dogs in the house, all that. Many Jews becoming Codependent now too, noticing that. Not Muslims though; i haven't found a single codependent Muslim in 40 years! Not even the nurses!
 

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Perhaps he has personal experience with that.....Not my interest.
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Remember; all secular education; be it for priesthood, or any particular cleric-ship, or physicians, teachers, whatever....has a curriculum that often includes a philosophical idea of man.

Perhaps I shouldn't have included physicians, we already know flat out, they practice trying out things to see if it will work or not. LOL

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oh, i would def include physicians, they have a snake on a pole, and this is a good list imo--anything these people are teaching, i am running from. i would not even mediate for any one of these that has gotten "certified," unless i was thrust into the center. Best not to ever say a word around them i think; they can't hear you anyway
 

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well, i don't mean they don't exist, but that they are easily overcome by resistance. This can be demonstrated IRL by mediating anywhere an evil spirit is roaring, even among complete strangers! That you are a complete stranger to the other two will not even be noticed in the moment, with the right simple observation; whereas another option would be to ignore, or even join the fight (fight the devil). Of course you could also pour gas on a fire, too. But don't put pearls before swine, lest they trample your pearls, and then turn and rend you. (No sense mediating between two ppl who just want to fight)

Gotcha, the big picture.

"Pearls...lest they turn and rend you."
Is IMO, a lengthy topic that can be delved into.

In short; IMO, that is BOL's tactic. Ie the one who attempts to rend. Rejects a portion of Scripture; assumes a rewritten Script; assumes the philosophies of men that promogate the rewritten Script and written Understanding thereof; Makes up his own words; attempts to apply his words to another; "ie setting his own stage"; then unleashes his philosophical Script as a basis to argue; and his made up words that he has declared are another's (when the are not) and goes off on his rampage of false accusations; all the while implying 'he is' doing works on behalf of the Lord. Uh, no!

Just sayin...the "rending"...can bite a person who is still learning; that they fall for cunning tactics. Reason a bit, when that does not produce favorable results...walk away and let the ignorant be ignorant.

what this last thing is telling you also is that if you put pearls before unknown or untested ppl, and they trample your pearls and rend you, you know you are dealing with swine.

Agree...And, there is always a caution, that only the individual knows the depth of their own knowledge and understanding, to deal with the swine. The swine is always seeking to devour the weak. Precisely because they are Not yet steeped, and easily influenced by the swine who presents himself as the Lords Servant, in hopes the one looking to gather pearls, will fall for their trickery, and lend an ear to "their" masquerade.

In the Mideast they will usually liquor you up a little first to lower your inhibitions. At least the Jews i know, not sure how the Muslims do this. Not sure they even do this tbh, they have a different public code than us and the Jews, we are the Emos of the religious world lol, PDAs (kissing) etc. Dogs in the house, all that. Many Jews becoming Codependent now too, noticing that. Not Muslims though; i haven't found a single codependent Muslim in 40 years! Not even the nurses!

I believe that relates to a simple Scriptural notation of "drunkenness" and "sober"...
Being more than just wine, but rather as you are touching on, ANYTHING that inhibits a person from "sober" thought, that they can be caught in a snare of "the swine", who will use that opportunity of "weakness", to influence the person to discard "his pearls", and become the "swine", as they are.

Alcohol, and ah ha, just say no to drugs, ha, ha, but a clinic on every corner in every neighborhood, promoting drugs, and the pharmacy on every corner making them available! And the promoter? Governments, with two mouths. No to drugs....Yes, yes...
Everyone needs drugs, and here they are!
Buy them Behind the pharmacy, no, no.
Buy them In the pharmacy, yes, yes.
And WHO is in control and diverting the thoughts of those made "weak", when Everyone yeilds and is NOT SOBER in thought? Uh...obvious.

And it is also obvious; rampant in the US, and world wide; being promoted; and promulgated; and $$$$ spread to hook 'em up. OWO, in the works! Control the people's wealth, and Control the people. The How is obvious; the veneer smile and speech out of one mouth (it's all good); the intent (wicked), and being revealed daily....but the poor 'old frog will be in the pot too long, before he knows he is cooked.

Pharmekia Behind or In...not my gig.

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oh, i would def include physicians, they have a snake on a pole, and this is a good list imo--anything these people are teaching, i am running from. i would not even mediate for any one of these that has gotten "certified," unless i was thrust into the center. Best not to ever say a word around them i think; they can't hear you anyway

I think that is a anomaly of sorts.
I believe most people who set out to BEcome a physician; do so with the genuine intent of helping "bodies" of people with a whole array of issues.

They spend thousands of $$, and thousands of hours, to BE ALLOWED, to "LEGALLY" "PRACTICE". And the "RULES" don't end there. I have family members who ARE physicians. Heck, my G+grandMOTHER was a college educated certified physician in the 1800's. She played the "rules" (for awhile)...
"Ladies" with long hair, only wearing dresses",
Being more of an "assistant" to a Male doctor, in an "Office".

Chopped her hair in a famine but easy to manage style, donned pants, opened her own OFFICE...still too many rules that "governed" over the "OFFICE"....closed her office...and attended locals in her town....skipped the $$$ exchange...and bartered for all types of what the "patient" was able to do.

Just saying - what people invision as "their" intent...and DO what is required for "their" intent to be realized...often comes with MORE smothering "rules"....AFTER the one has invested so much time and $$....they can stay in the rule game and try to deal with the rules, embrace the rules, or make and play in their own sandbox.

Me personally, inasmuch as pharmakeia is not my gig, neither do I "have" a physician.

But for anyone to remember...physicians and lawyers....are people whose high dollar charge is for them to PRACTICE...no guarantees for results!

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Rev 21:3-4 . . Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with
them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be
their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more
death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed
away.

The tears, the death, the mourning, the crying, and the pain are related to
the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15, which will be a
public spectacle. In other words, people will have to watch as friends, family,
associates, and loved ones are literally pale with terror, lips trembling,
mouths too dry to speak, shrieking, sobbing, screaming, weeping, yelping,
and bellowing like wounded dogs as their eyes dart about in sheer white
knuckled panic, desperately looking for someone, anyone, to help them as
powerful celestial beings drag them off to death akin to a foundry worker
falling into a kettle of molten iron.

Paul said the greatest of all gifts is love (1Cor 13:13). But let me tell you
something: Love is inconvenient. Sensitive folk cannot sit through a scene
like the one described above and not be moved by it. The effect will be so
overwhelming that nothing less than the power of God will suffice to get
them over it.

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When certain personality types stand before God in judgment; I seriously
doubt they'll be inclined to kneel or bow and talk to Him in soft respectful
tones. No: they will be assertive, indignant, loud, confrontational, and
furious; they will argue vehemently, pointing out where He is a hypocrite
and a liar; throwing it up at Him that He's supposed to be a God of peace,
love, and understanding.

When those kinds of people are brought up to face justice at the Great White
Throne event as per Rev 20:11-15, I suspect they will be shackled in body
chains and escorted by angelic corrections officers to prevent them from
lunging at the person appointed by God to pass judgment on their behavior:
none other than Bethlehem's sweet little baby away in a manger.

John 5:22 . . Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all
judgment to the Son

Acts 17:31 . . God has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in
righteousness through a man whom He has appointed, having furnished
proof to all by raising him from the dead.

People who have been led to believe that God is a God of love and nothing
but love are in for a terrible awakening; but by then, it will be too late.

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I was baptized an infant into the Roman Catholic Church; and was eventually
enrolled in catechism where I completed First Holy Communion and
Confirmation. Although catechism did a good job of instilling within me the
reality of hell's eternal fires; it wasn't until I saw a painting by Gustave Doré
depicting a scene from Dante Alighieri's Inferno that I realized the degree of
despair gripping the minds and hearts of people in hell.

People down there know it's permanent; that's what makes hell so much
worse than any other source of misery one can possibly imagine. If only they
could see a light at the end of the tunnel; but that's just it: there is no end
of the tunnel; it's like a Gerbil exercise wheel; within which the little rodents
spin, and spin, and spin, and get nowhere.

They say hope springs eternal in the human heart. Well; not down there.
No; down there hope is futile. The fires are bad enough; but it's the
permanence of hell that I would imagine hurts the most.

I sometimes wish there were tour buses to hell so people could see what's in
store for them down there; and not only the degree of suffering that people
can expect in the next life, but also hell's impact upon the human mind.

People have been filtering into perdition not only since the time of Christ,
but since before the Step Pyramid of Djoser, and even before the Flood. I
won't speculate how many years that might be, but h.sapiens is thought
by some to have achieved full behavioral modernity something like 50,000
years ago. Whether that extends clear on back to Adam and Eve I have no
clue; but just think: if it does, then Cain and others from his era have been
down in the netherworld all this time.

It's difficult for the human mind to appreciate 50,000 years. I've been on the
Earth for just 74, and I've noticed that my childhood is so far in the past to
me now as to seem more like a fantasy than a memory. But you know;
when you're talking about eternity, 50,000 years isn't even a drop in the
bucket. If it were a drop in the bucket, it would be a bucket with no bottom;
which is roughly akin to the futility of a gnat attempting to drink up the
Atlantic ocean. It would also be akin to Forrest Gump thinking he could fill a
sieve with water faster by dipping it into a bucket instead of using the tap.

But just think: time stands still in hell: it's for the now; it's an existence.
People who arrived there yesterday didn't begin doing time in jail like
Lindsay Lohan expecting to get out some day; nor is perdition a temporary
tour of duty like shipping out to Afghanistan. No, people in hell are in it as
perpetual residents; they're in a rut.

They go year, after year, after year, after year, with no relief from the pain
and discomfort: no vacations, no recreation, no reading materials, and no
hobbies-- there's absolutely nothing to do but reminisce and writhe in fire.
The mental atrophy, and the boredom that must result from that kind of
mindless existence is beyond estimation.

In life, everybody enjoys God's blessings; even the really bad people. We're
all breathing fresh air, basking in sunshine, drinking cool water, savoring
tasty foods, listening to birds chirp, star gazing at night, throwing snow balls
at each other in winter, river rafting, fishing, snow skiing, tending gardens,
pruning shrubs, greeting friends during the holidays, spending days with
grandkids; and all that sort of thing. In the Bible's hell, there are no
blessings of any kind at all: only perpetual sadness, vexation, despair, and
want.

In hell's unruly society; it's reasonable to expect quarrels, bickering, hard
feelings, vendettas, rivalry, selfishness, insensitivity, irritation, aggravation,
and ugly words exchanged between people. Is there really any good reason
to be courteous and/or respect your fellow man's human rights in the Bible's
hell; or to be kind, forgiving, affable, genial, courteous, cordial, charitable,
altruistic, tolerant, generous, and patient? I was once discussing the
netherworld with a co-worker and he remarked: "Hell won't be so bad; I'll
have plenty of friends down there." No; he won't.

And the din: think of the volume of noise down there with all the wailing and
sobbing, and the screams, shrieks, yelps, howls, and gnashing teeth.
Conditions are really bad, and everyone is sad, blue, and lonely. After a few
years of the conditions I'm describing, I should think most folks break, and
go mad from the stress.

But just imagine bringing with you a craving for tobacco with none available.
Or longing for a cocktail with no liquor in sight. A desire for music, with no
way to produce it. A skill for writing, with no pen and paper. Yearning for a
walk out in nature, with no world to do it in.

People in the Bible's hell will never again smell a sea breeze, sit in the shade
of a tree, take deep breaths of mountain-fresh air, play at sports, hear a bird
chirp, see a sunset, watch a lunar eclipse, jog in the park, strum a guitar,
enjoy a Christmas dinner with loved ones; nor make little pigs of themselves
gobbling barbecued spare ribs and corn on the 4th of July.

Sports and recreation are gone: no more World Series, no more Super Bowl,
no more Olympics, no more Las Vegas, no more Indian casinos, no more
lottery, no more Lego World, no more Sea World, no more NASCAR, no more
golf, no more surfing, et al.

No baths, no showers, no sleep, no TV, no radio, no iPods, no computers, no
Twitter, no texting, no FaceBook, no YouTube, no MySpace, no internet, no
clean sheets, no breakfast, no lunch, and no dinner. No snacks, no gum, no
candy, no flowers, no parks, no rivers, no snow, no seasons, no picnics, no
malls, no fast food, no trades, no careers, no trendy fashions, no jewelry, no
cosmetics, no concerts, no operas, and no hobbies; absolutely nothing of
this world that brings people the pleasures and the satisfactions of just being
alive.

No pets are allowed in the Bible's hell and no flowers or vegetation of any
kind. The absence of birds, fish, and animals of course precludes the citizens
of hell ever again spending a day at the zoo. The one advantage of the lack
of pets and vegetation in hell is the absence of fleas, mosquitoes, and
allergies. I suppose you could say that's at least one good thing about it.
There's a bright side to everything I guess; even to that place.

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I was baptized an infant into the Roman Catholic Church; and was eventually
enrolled in catechism where I completed First Holy Communion and
Confirmation.

According to you, according to Catholics;

What exactally spiritually occurred at your infant baptism;

Accepted God?
Forgiven?
Soul saved?
Born again spirit?
Forever with God?
Joined the Church as a Catholic member?

And what exactally happened at your First holy communion?

Could you please be specific.
Thanks,

God Bless,
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