Hell's Population Clock

[Webers_Home]

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I often encounter rational people out and about who have come to the
logical conclusion-- quite correctly --that God has set the bar so high; that
He's made it humanly impossible to attain heaven; so what's the point of
even trying.

And there are others who have decided that as bad as hell might be, it would
be even worse to squander this life in self denial and quite possibly end up
going to hell anyway. Those people have decided that it's better to live a life
of pleasure here and a life of no pleasure there, rather than run the risk of
having no pleasure in both places. I have to agree: that would be sad.

A third classification of folk are in a clash of wills with God. In other words:
they are so determined not to give in to God's demands that they would
rather be cremated alive than do so. In their minds: if they give in; then
God will win; which for them is not only unacceptable; but thoroughly
intolerable. Those people are tough; just as tough as the anti-commie crowd
who proudly announce: Better dead than Red, and/or the pro-gun people
who defiantly announce: If you want my guns; you'll have to pry them loose
from my cold, dead fingers.

I'm not saying it's bad to be anti-commie, nor bad to be pro-gun. I'm just
using those people's attitude to illustrate the bitter impasse going on
between God and those who would rather reign in hell than serve in heaven.

Then there are people who have chosen hell over heaven because they'll be
more at home in hell: they'll fit in; but in heaven they wouldn't fit in. They'll
be amongst friends in hell; but in heaven, everyone would be a stranger.
And like they say: birds of a feather flock together; viz: some prefer the
company of certain kinds of rather unsavory folk; and people in heaven are
so heavenly minded that they're no fun to be with at all. In addition: people
in hell are free to speak their minds, and use all the purple epithets, double
entendres, colorful metaphors, and F-bombs that they want; but in heaven
people have to be careful with their choice of words.

So you see; for some folk hell is the better choice; and were they to end up
in heaven instead; I think they would actually be very disappointed.

You really have to kind of envy people who've made hell their choice rather
than their luck. At least they know where they're going when they pass on
and have mentally prepared themselves for the worst; but the
approximately 1.2 billion Catholics currently working out their salvation as
per Php 2:12 haven't a clue where they're headed. They're crossing their
fingers for the best; while in the back of their minds dreading the worst
because for people working out their own salvation, heaven is never a sure
thing. In point of fact, the Roman catechism prohibits Catholics from taking
heaven for granted.

Council of Trent, Canon 16 . . If anyone says that he will for certain, with an
absolute and infallible certainty, have that great gift of perseverance even to
the end, unless he shall have learned this by a special revelation, let him be
anathema.

Catholics who fail to adequately work out their salvation as per Php 2:12 will
be cruelly heckled without mercy in hell by the very people that they at one
time condemned as unfit to inhabit the kingdom of God. The mockers will
taunt and sing: "Hey Christian! how about give us the gospel ay? lead us to
Christ." ouch! That's a bitter pill.

Pop Clock Update: 833 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 45,894,968 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Apr 12, 2012.


Buen Camino
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[Tex]

I don't understand what the purpose of your thread is. Do you find it beneficial to count the damned? If so, what is the benefit?

Also, your hate on the Catholic denomination is not appreciated, even by a Protester.

Pop Clock Update: 833 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
poster of post #1 is within reason, then something like zero new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Apr 12, 2012.

 

[lforrest]

There is a hell, and people are going there who reject God's grace.

 

[Tex]

There is a hell, and people are going there who reject God's grace.

I totally agree. But, I don't think they're going there now. I think now they are completely unconscious and not experiencing anything, including hell. They don't currently exist in a place because they are just souls and have no dimensions. When they get a body at resurrection, then they can go and exist in a place.

 

[Webers_Home]

When they get a body at resurrection, then they can go and exist in a
place.

According to Rev 20:11-15, their resurrected body will be burned to death
by immersion in a flaming substance, after which their corpse will be
preserved as perpetual food for a curious species of fire-proof worm.

†. Isa 66:22-24 . . All humanity will come to worship me from week to week
and from month to month. And as they go out, they will see the dead bodies
of those who have rebelled against me. For the worms that devour them will
never die, and the fire that burns them will never go out. All who pass by
will view them with utter horror.

†. Mark 9:47-48 . . And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is
better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two
eyes and be thrown into hell, where their worm does not die, and the fire is
not quenched.

Critics often insist that Mark 9:47-48 isn't in the so-called "better
manuscripts". Well; okay, but what about Isa 66:22-24? Is it not in the
better manuscripts too?

Buen Camno
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[Tex]

Some things should not be read like textbook. Those two passages are both part of that category.

 

[shturt678s]

There is a hell, and people are going there who reject God's grace.

Amen! People been going there and continue to do so...not forever good! Even has different levels...really not forever good... this moment, now!

Old Jack shooting for the lowest glory in heaven.

 

[RANDOR]

Yep...........only the cold blooded enter...................finally their bones will be warmed

 

[Webers_Home]

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†. John 5:24 . . I assure you: those who listen to my message, and believe
in God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for
their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

Q: What happens to born-again Christians who stop listening to the Lord's
message and sto believing in God who sent him? Do they then lose eternal
life, end up condemned for their sins,

A: In those cases none of the above matters because Jesus testified that
they will never be condemned for their sins. Webster's defines "never" as:
not ever, at no time, not in any degree, not under any condition.

Q: and pass back from life into death?

Eternal life is a deathless kind of life; viz: it cannot die. Therefore eternal life
is impervious to the wages of sin.

†. Rom 6:23 . . For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal
life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Q: What happens to truly born-again Christians that become disillusioned
with Christ and give him and his teachings the deep six? Won't they be
unsaved at the end?

A: According to John 10:28-29, none of Jesus' sheep will be lost; not even the
ones that stray. Plus, according to 1John 3:9, God's seed remains in Spirit
born Christians. What's the odds of God becoming disillusioned with Christ
and giving him and his teachings the deep six? Well, according to John 3:34
and John 12:49, the odds are zero. Well then the odds of His seed becoming
disillusioned with Christ and giving him and his teachings the deep six are
zero too.

FYI: people are always looking for some way to undo John 3:3-8; but what's
done is done. It is no more easy for a Spirit-born Christian to undo their
birth than it was for Noah to change his mind and get out of the ark after
once God sealed the hatch; and it was the only way in and/or out of the ark.

†. Gen 7:16 . . So those that entered, male and female of all flesh, went in
as God had commanded him; and the Lord shut him in.

The Hebrew word for "shut" is interesting. It's the same as closing a corral
gate or the door to a jail cell. Noah was actually a prisoner aboard his own
boat. It's the same for Spirit-born Christians. Once they're "in Christ" there
is no humanly possible way out because according to John 10:1-10, Jesus
controls the door to the sheepfold.

Pop Clock Update: 836 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 46,060,256 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Apr 12, 2012.

Buen Camino
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[shturt678s]

Yep...........only the cold blooded enter...................finally their bones will be warmed

Got my attention...will be sitting in the front row right side in Church with you this morning.

Old Jack

 

[Tex]

@Webers

That explains a lot. You're OSAS. That's the problem.

@Jack and Randor

The front left is where the cool kids sit!!!

 

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†. 1John 4:17 . . as He is, so also are we in this world.

That verse appears to contradict the one below.

†. 1John 3:2 . . Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not
appeared as yet what we shall be. We know that, when he appears, we shall
be like him, because we shall see him just as he is.

The trick is: 1John 4:17 is speaking of Christ's personality; which the "we"
are supposed to have already rather than looking forward to obtaining.

1John 3:2 is speaking of his body; which is a body that the "we" expect to
obtain some day. (Rom 8:23-25)

†. 1John 3:3a . . Everyone who has this hope in him

The koiné Greek word for "hope" in that statement is elpis (el-pece') which
means to anticipate, usually with pleasure); expectation (abstractly or
concretely) or confidence.

Anticipation isn't a cross-your-fingers kind of hope; nor a wishful-thinking
kind of hope. No, not even close. Anticipation expects to obtain the thing it
looks forward to. In other words: anticipation is 110% confident that the
thing it looks forward to is already on the way; viz: elpis is an in-the-bag
kind of hope.

Obviously then, the anti-OSAS crowd cannot possibly have elpis seeing as
how they haven't a clue one way or the other whether they will succeed in
obtaining a body like Christ's.

†. Eph 4:4 . .You were called in one hope of your calling

Bottom line is: people lacking elpis are toxic because they haven't been
called; and since they haven't been called; then according to Rom 8:30,
neither have they been justified nor been glorified.

Pop Clock Update: 841 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 46,335,736 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Apr 12, 2012.

Buen Camino
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[Webers_Home]

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Heaven can be thought of as a high mountain peak. All around the base of
the mountain are roads leading to the top. According to Christ; only one of
those roads will take you there. All the rest are dead ends and cul-de
sacs.

Hell can be thought of as a great pit; wide and deep. All around the
periphery of the pit are roads leading to the bottom. According to Christ,
every one of those roads; without exception, will take you there.

Pop Clock Update: 853 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 46,996,888 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Apr 12, 2012.

Buen Camino
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[Webers_Home]

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Pop Clock Update: 3,055 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 168,318,280 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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• Eph 1:4-5 . .He chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world, that
we should be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to
adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself,

Predestination isn't random; it's typically always the consequence of
foreknowledge. In other words: God has always known, from the very
beginning, by means of precognition, who will, and who won't, come to faith
in His son. And seeing as how He had that information at hand early on,
then it was safe and practical to go ahead and establish their adoption in
advance seeing as how it's a sure thing.

When I was old enough to do some of my own thinking; I asked my mother
this question: If God already knows everything that I will ever think, say, or
do my whole life; then how do I have free will?

Mom was stumped; she didn't know.

Well, the thing is, as I found out later; by means of precognition God already
knows everything that I will ever think, say, or do my whole life but that
doesn't mean that my entire life is all programmed like a script or a
screenplay for me to act out.

I'd not be surprised if God has groaned within Himself numerous times as He
watched me make one mistake after another, and commit sin after sin in
thought, word, and deed. But at least God has the comfort of knowing all
that blundering is temporary. Once my regeneration is complete, I'll be
someone that the Father can be proud of,

• Rom 8:29 . . For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be
conformed to the image of His son.

Pop Clock Update: 3,133 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 172,615,768 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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[kcnalp]

Well...we'd better get preaching and pray the Holy Spirit moves powerfully, huh?!

That's why the Mark is coming soon. Many will refuse the Mark and be saved / beheaded. The Mark is a GREAT blessing! Otherwise they would burn in Hell. God is going to clean up His filthy church.

1 Peter 4:17 (NKJV)
17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?

 

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World famous rock guitarist Eddie Van Halen passed away recently. He was
a Roman Catholic. It's not easy to get into heaven via that version of
Christianity.

Well; if perchance Eddie didn't make the cut (not saying he didn't; only
saying "if perchance") then he will never again be allowed to even so much
as see a guitar let alone pick one up with his hands.

Can you imagine a talented, pioneering musician like Eddie never again
allowed to do the one thing in life that he enjoyed the most? I mean never
again like as in permanently.

Pop Clock Update: 3,136 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 172,781,056 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Apr 12, 2012.

NOTE: If we take the average male's shoulder width to be 16.1 inches, then
172,781,056 men standing shoulder to shoulder would make a picket fence
43,904.3 miles long. That's roughly enough length to circle the Earth once
plus 3/4 more.
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[Norm]

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World famous rock guitarist Eddie Van Halen passed away recently. He was
a Roman Catholic. It's not easy to get into heaven via that version of
Christianity.
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You're correct, worldly fame is a hindrance to eternal glory.

Why do you say "It's not easy to get into heaven via that version of Christianity"?
If Mr Van Halen accepted the Lord Jesus as his savior, then the Lord will acknowledge that he is not a goat, and welcome him.
"Versions of Christianity" are not relevant to the Lord, only a sincere reliance on Him in all matters.

 

[kcnalp]

Why is Hell more important than following Christ's example?

The Bible spends more time teaching us how to live our life, than elaborating on after death. Why do Christians spend more time talking about Hell and sin than they spend talking about Jesus and loving their neighbor?

What's more important than escaping eternity in the worst prison ever, with the worst beings who ever lived? Jesus / the NT mentioned it several times.

 

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God's free will trumps everybody else's free will, and this fact is very evident
in the confrontation that Jehovah forced between Himself and the Egyptian
monarch holding Moses' people captive.

• Rom 9:17-18 . . For the scripture says to Pharaoh: For this very purpose I
raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be
proclaimed throughout the whole earth. So then He has mercy on whom He
desires, and He hardens whom He desires.

That's a reference to Exodus 9:13-17 where it says:

• Ex 9:13-17 . .Then Jehovah said to Moses: Rise up early in the morning
and stand before Pharaoh and say to him, "Thus says the Jehovah, the God
of the Hebrews; let My people go, that they may serve Me. For this time I
will send all My plagues on you and your servants and your people, so that
you may know that there is no one like Me in all the earth.

. . . For if by now I had put forth My hand and struck you and your people
with pestilence, you would then have been cut off from the earth. But,
indeed, for this cause I have allowed you to remain, in order to show you My
power, and in order to proclaim My name through all the earth. Still you
exalt yourself against My people by not letting them go.

There's some interesting information tucked away in Jehovah's proclamation.
The most notable is that He could've simply wiped the Egyptians off the map
with just one miracle and been done with it. But instead, Jehovah chose to
whittle them down piece by piece, a little at a time, and just to make sure
His intentions succeeded; Jehovah deliberately, and willfully, strengthened
Pharaoh's resolve to resist and not give in.

Someone, somewhere, is sure to demand: How can God condemn Pharaoh's
stubborn will to resist when it was God himself who strengthened the man to
do so?

The thing is; Pharaoh was already condemned for refusing Moses' initial
request. From that point on he was dead meat-- Jehovah could say "I own
you" and it became His sovereign prerogative to do with the man as He
pleased because God's free will trumps everybody else's free will.

Now the situation is this: there are people out and about who have been
presented an intelligent gospel message, and turned from it. Those people
have put themselves at risk of God himself deliberately, and willfully,
stiffening their resolve to the point where they will never be able to accept
the gospel-- ever! Thus their destiny in Hell becomes a sealed fate.

• Heb 10:31 . . It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

NOTE: See also 2Thess 2:7-12

Pop Clock Update: 3,140 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 173,001,440 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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