Hell's Population Clock

[Scott Downey]

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It's one thing to discuss Hell from the perspective of an armchair expert with
no emotional attachment, while quite another when one of your own might
be down there.

My kid brother decided early to live life on his own terms and not allow
religion to get in his way. As a result, he was secular his entire life before
passing away back in March of 2016 at 71 of pancreatic cancer. Well; if
there's a Hell, it's pretty certain my brother is down there; and that
suspicion has a very strong effect on my thoughts and feelings about eternal
suffering.

The thing is; my brother isn't just another nondescript skull in the gene
pool: he's my kin, my very next of kin actually, We were born the same
year: me in January and him in December. We grew up in the same home,
were nurtured by the same parents, ate the same foods, attended the same
church, and slept in the same bed for a while till dad got us some bunks. We
had mostly the same friends, and kept each other company and were
playmates together for quite a few years throughout childhood. Our life
together as juniors joined us at the hip, so to speak: forging a lifelong bond
that no amount of disagreement had ever broken.

My brother is a pretty tough guy, but Hell is designed to break people down,
and I fear that today my once-fearless adventuresome brother is now a
squeaky little whimpering gerbil wishing he'd taken an interest in religion
when it mattered the most.

There's an incident depicted in the 16th chapter of Luke wherein folks on
both sides of the afterlife are able to communicate. Well; I hope that's still
possible because I'd really like to visit my brother as often as I can before
he's transferred to the lake of fire depicted by Rev 20:11-15 because after
that, it's very likely I'll never get to see him ever again. And it appears from
Rev 21:3-5 that we're in for a memory wipe so I'll not even remember his
name and it'll be like he never existed; which is actually a blessing because
it would be very unpleasant to have thoughts of my kid brother haunting me
forever.
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That gulf and being able to talk across it was before the resurrection.
At his ascending, Christ led the captivity captive ( OT saints in Sheol) and gave gifts to men.
So that good place of Sheol, called paradise for the OT saints who died, ascended into heaven with Christ.
Christ tells the thief he will be with Himself in Paradise when they die.
Christ descended into hell - sheol, the part of which is called Paradise.
So they both went there at first, not heaven.
After the resurrection Christ ascends to the right hand of God in heaven, leading the captivity captive, so he took them with Himself when He ascended.

Ephesians 4
8 Therefore He says:

“When He ascended on high,
He led captivity captive,
And gave gifts to men.”
9 (Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also [a]first descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)

In Revelation we see Paradise is in heaven, as also is the tree of life. So quite possible IMO, paradise or Eden remained on the earth until the Flood of Noah, and then descended into Sheol to become the dweilling place of the righteous dead before Christ was born.

Revelation 2:7
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.” ’

This actually shows completeness, the salvation of all saints in both ancient times and up till today, God made a way for them to be perfected with Christ. Christ went after them in Sheol to bring them also into Heaven, following the pattern established by God for the salvation of all the righteous and just dead in the Lord.

 

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Rev 16:17-18 predicts a global earthquake so powerful on the Richter scale
that cities all over the world will collapse at once.

Something like 2,829 lost their lives when the World Trade Center was
demolished by a terrorist attack in 2001. Well that was only a few acres of
New York City. Just imagine the body count when all of Manhattan comes
down at once. along with other major cities like Los Angeles, San Francisco,
Mexico City, Paris, Moscow, Beijing, Tokyo, et al. The carnage will be beyond
belief; and a great many of the dead will be infants and underage children.

The Bible says that we should consider not only God's benevolence, but also
His severity. We're dealing with a someone far more terrifying than even the
tyrants of North Korea, Communist China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and
the awful regimes in Africa.

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Years ago it wasn't unusual to be called a religious fanatic for believing the
Genesis account of the creation of Man. Well; recently somebody online
called me an ignorant bigot because I stand by the Bible's physical gender
designations and refuse to accept the new political designations, e.g.
non binary and gender fluid.

Do they honestly believe that the One who intelligently designed the
cosmos-- all of its forms of life, matter, and energy --won't have the last
word on gender identity?

● Ps 2:1-5 . . Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain
thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel
together, against The Lord, and against His anointed, saying: Let us break
their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in
the heavens shall laugh: The Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall He
speak unto them in His wrath, and vex them in His sore displeasure.

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When God is ignored; He can be expected to reciprocate.

● Prv 1:24-33 . . I called you so often, but you didn't come. I reached out to
you, but you paid no attention. You ignored my advice and rejected the
correction I offered. So I will laugh when you are in trouble! I will mock you
when disaster overtakes you-- when calamity overcomes you like a storm,
when you are engulfed by trouble, and when anguish and distress
overwhelm you.

. . . I will not answer when they cry for help. Even though they anxiously
search for me, they will not find me. For they hated knowledge and chose
not to fear The Lord. They rejected my advice and paid no attention when I
corrected them. That is why they must eat the bitter fruit of living their own
way. They must experience the full terror of the path they have chosen. For
they are simpletons who turn away from me-- to death. They are fools, and
their own complacency will destroy them. But all who listen to me will live in
peace and safety, unafraid of harm.

Case in point is Mr. Esau.

"Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. For you know that even
afterwards, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he
found no place for repentance, though he sought for it with tears." (Heb
12:16-17)

The Greek word translated "repentance" basically means to change one's
mind; viz: to reconsider.

Esau was secular to the bone. But he "got religion" right quick when he saw
his way of life costing him the blessing; but alas, the poor slob was a day
late and a dollar short; so to speak.

Lesson to be learned: The time for people to be giving Hell some serious
thought is not when they get there, rather, before they get there.

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Why do Christians spend more time talking about Hell and sin than they spend talking about Jesus and loving their neighbor?

I wonder if it's because of their personal struggle with sin or struggle with personal sin.

Or maybe it's their consciousness of the consequences of sin in this life and fear for other's long term consequence of their sin - time in hell.

I agree, a preoccupation of the devil's actions and his judgement can be a big distraction from acknowledging Who Jesus is and what He is doing right now.

In all things and for all things that happen in our day we can thank our God for Who He is and for what He is doing for His own pleasure and glory.

 

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● John 3:16 . . For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten
Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting
life.

The love in that passage is translated from a Greek verb that expresses
compassion for the world without particularly liking anybody. In other
words: that kind of love is civil and sympathetic but doesn't necessarily
express fondness or affection.

FAQ: God in His wrath condemns folks to the fiery netherworld while at the
same time feeling pity for them?

REPLY: God forbid that He be one to obstruct justice by letting His feelings
overrule and/or outweigh the facts. No doubt God would rather be kind than
cruel; but sometimes circumstances just won't permit.

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FAQ: The Bible says that a Christian's life on earth terminates the day they
come to faith in Christ; and from then on, God stops keeping a record of
their sins. (Rom 6:3-7, Col 3:3, and 2Cor 5:19). What about the afterlife?
What's to be done about the sins Christians commit there?

REPLY: They won't be committing any sins in the next life because of a
special circumcision performed by an act of God per Col 2:11.

* It must be very devastating when folks below find out too late about that
circumcision; and also when they find out too late about Jeremiah 31:31-34
and Ezekiel 36:24-27 which, according to the language, would've rendered
them easily righteous enough to associate with God
permanently.

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Jesus sacrificed his life for the whole world; not just part of the world,
rather; everybody who has ever lived, and everybody who will ever live,
down to the last born on Earth. That says quite a bit about how Jesus feels
about me.

He may not like me-- at all. In point of fact Jesus just may quite despise me,
and candidly declare that I am not the kind of people with whom he cares to
associate. Nevertheless, Jesus went to the cross for me too in spite of his
disgust for me as a person.

Now, as I said-- in so many words --Jesus may not be especially fond of me,
but there's no doubt in my mind that he at least cares for me. So I played
upon his Father's sympathies back in February of 1968 when I prayed a very
selfish prayer that went something like this:

"God; I know I'm a sinner. I would like to take advantage of your son's
death."

Seeing as how Jesus gave his life for the whole world, then God couldn't
very well refuse my request; now could He.

● Rom 5:6-8 . . Christ died for the impious. Very rarely will anyone die for a
righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die.
But God demonstrates His own love for us in this: While we were still
sinners, Christ died for us.

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In the second chapter of the book of Daniel is told the story of
Nebuchadnezzar's dream. He demanded his wise men to tell him the
interpretation of the dream but withheld the dream's details; without which
they could not answer.

But God had observed the king's dream; and revealed its details, along with
its interpretation, to Daniel. Apparently God can hear our thoughts just as
audibly as we, and can view the scenes in our heads just as clearly too;
making it very difficult to retain some privacy in our own minds.

● Heb 4:13 . . Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight; everything
is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of Him to whom we must give
account.

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Seeing as how God owns everything in existence, and answers to no one
how He goes about managing it all; then what He says goes because nobody
can stop Him from making and/or enforcing whatever rules He wishes
because God's free will trumps everybody else's free will.

Whether God's ways and means are loving, moral, just, and/or right and
wise doesn't matter. It's as futile to criticize lightning for being so bright,
and thunder for being so loud, as it is to find fault with God's rules because
no matter how much people complain about thunder and lightning; there is
nothing they can do to stop those forces of nature from going about their
business.

● Acts 4:24 . .They lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said:
Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all
that in them is

The Greek word translated "Lord" in that passage is despotes (des-pot'-ace)
from which we get our English word despot; defined by Webster's as a ruler
with absolute power and authority.

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Then that's how it is my friend. I'm not going to lose any sleep over them. For God has a different planned path for them. That path leads them back to Him and the greatest reunion party will begin. Now that's not only good news but GREAT NEWS! Don't you think?

 

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When I was young, Hell was academic. But not anymore because now I'm 80
and most of my family has passed on. It's very, very probable that my mom
and two of my brothers are down there. Somebody else's kin suffering in Hell is
one thing, but quite different feelings about it when it's your own.
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When I was young, Hell was academic. But not anymore because now I'm 80
and most of my family has passed on. It's very, very probable that my mom
and two of my brothers are down there. Somebody else's kin suffering in Hell is
one thing, and quite another feeling about it when it's your own.
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Yes, I agree with you, that people you know are experiencing pain and suffering comes as a real challenge.

But I am excited about the longer term plan God has for them.

They do time for their crime as it were but a ransom has been paid which can and will be accepted by everyone.

God's grace is available. it's on the shelf with no used by date on it. Again, great news for all of us. Very comforting.

 

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For many of us working stiffs, the first day on a new job is stressful and
quite an adjustment. The night before that first day can cause enough
anxiety to keep us awake worrying about what we might expect.

I'd imagine that, whether we end up in the right place or the wrong place in
the afterlife, we will be just as stressed on our first day there as the first day
here on a new job.

The anxiety associated with death is to be expected seeing as how most of
us have no experience at all with that particular journey. But I think the
majority of my anxiety in regards to death is related to what comes after.
Pity there are no guide books available in print to prepare folks in advance
for the culture-shock tsunami with which both sides of the aisle are sure to
be slammed: a guide for Hell and one for Heaven.

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[Scott Downey]

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For many of us working stiffs, the first day on a new job is stressful and
quite an adjustment. The night before that first day can cause enough
anxiety to keep us awake worrying about what we might expect.

I'd imagine that, whether we end up in the right place or the wrong place in
the afterlife, we will be just as stressed on our first day there as the first day
here on a new job.

The anxiety associated with death is to be expected seeing as how most of
us have no experience at all with that particular journey. But I think the
majority of my anxiety in regards to death is related to what comes after.
Pity there are no guide books available in print to prepare folks in advance
for the culture-shock tsunami with which both sides of the aisle are sure to
be slammed: a guide for Hell and one for Heaven.

Pop Clock Update: 4,334 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
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new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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God's angels help you on that journey. The whole NT and New Covenant is one of tremendous encouragement and eternal consolation for the faithful in Christ, the ones who believe in Christ. We will have no worries about eternal salvation, but I do think it could be tough on some at the judgement seat of Christ. We must all give account to Him for the deeds done in the body.
All your deeds-works will be fire tested, and some may burn in that fire and you will lose rewards, but your spirit will be saved as that salvation is a work of God.

Hebrews 1
13 But to which of the angels has He ever said:

“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?

14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?

 

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Heaven? Not Interested!

It's an alien world with which I am totally unfamiliar; and when I leave here,
I will be leaving behind everything near and dear to me, e.g. photos,
mementos, souvenirs, collections, sights and sounds, mountains, creeks,
rivers and forests, clothing and equipment, tools, landmarks, entertainment,
hobbies, my spouse, BFF, and my aging Ford Ranger pick-up truck, etc, etc.

The culture shock tsunami of leaving all that I know & love and going to a
foreign land where I know & love nothing at all, is not my idea of a good
time. Personally; I dread the thought of having to start all over again from
scratch.

NOTE: I've heard tell of folks thoroughly unable to form attachments to
anything, to anybody, nor to any place. When they leave this life, they will
leave nothing behind of sentimental value; nothing in the least, nothing at
all. It's like they lived their entire lives as turnips and carrots instead of
sentient beings.

** The one thing I do look forward to in Heaven is the possibility of a library
where everything that can be known about the cosmos is stored. Carl Sagan
would've loved a library like that because he went to his grave with a lot of
unanswered questions. But now they'll never be answered because Carl was,
at best, an agnostic, and at worst, an atheist.
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Christianity is sometimes criticized as a license to steal because when people
come to faith in Christ, the file that God has been accumulating against
them gets demolished and from thence He does not begin compiling a new
file.

● John 5:24 . . I assure you: those who listen to my message, and believe in
God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their
sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

● 2Cor 5:19 . . God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not
counting their trespasses against them

The Greek word translated "counting" means to take an inventory; i.e. an
indictment.

Christians have quite an advantage because when there are no books on
people, then there is nothing on record with which to accuse them, i.e. it's
as though they've never been anything but 100% innocent.

This may seem like cooking the books, but God has a way to do it on the up
and up without obstructing justice.

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Luke 16:19-31 tells of three men in the afterlife. The story is alleged to be
one of several New Testament parables: which are stories variously regarded
as fact and/or fiction.

A problem with the fiction view is Abraham. He's an historical person; plus
he's said to be one of God's buddies. (Isa 41:8) Well; the story quotes
Abraham a number of times. It seems inappropriate to me that a Bible story
would quote an important historical figure saying things that he didn't really
say.

The fiction view also alleges that the Greek word haides in verse 23 pertains
to the rich man's grave. Well; we can be reasonably certain that Abraham is
dead and buried (Gen 25:8-10) so I have to wonder how these two men's
dead bodies communicated with each other through solid ground from grave
to grave.

Plus; dead bodies typically exhibit no mental activity; and have lost the use
of their five natural senses of taste, touch, sight, hearing, and smell. Yet in
death, the rich man appears fully sentient, viz: he is able to feel heat from
the flames around him, he is in misery due to dehydration, he is able to see
across a chasm to where Abraham is located, and he is said to experience
anxiety relative to the possibility of five brothers joining him in rather
unpleasant circumstances.

The third man's name is given as Lazarus. It appears from the language and
grammar of the story that Lazarus' angelic transportation buried his corpse
alongside Abraham's corpse, i.e. he and Abraham appear to be sharing the
same grave. But the man was a diseased pauper in life so it's extremely
doubtful his remains were given any kind of a funeral at all but instead were
likely incinerated in a community landfill.

Ergo: the "grave" theory is untenable; it won't even hold up under the
scrutiny of common sense; let alone the stretch of one's imagination.

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When God is ignored; He can be expected to reciprocate.

Bingo!

God created AND made AND knew His creations BEFORE they were created AND knows His creations AFTER they were created AND Loves ALL of His creations.

End of story, right?
No.

The “pro-creating” process…of a mans seed having fertilized a females’ egg…
The process of Gods hand FORMING the manKIND of being begins and ends in secret, inside of the female….

Once the FORMING (VIA God) is compete,

The Created Form of a manKIND of being comes INTO “this” world;

As the Created mankind of being IS separated from IT’S (life line / placenta) it had during its FORMING stage…

It receives A NEW LIFE LINE…
Life from God. Called a SOUL (which Belongs TO God), and is filled with LIFE of God, called Gods Breath (which also Belongs TO God)….THIS is Gods ACT of MAKING his CREATION that He has CREAT-ED (ie FORM-ED).

What DOES the “MAKING” DO?
Ears…hear
Eyes…see
Mouth…utters sounds
Tongue…tastes.
Nose…smells
Flesh…feels touch

What IS the Purpose of the “MAKING” ?
Communication.

Modernly in general we call those makings’ ability (SENSES).
Biblically and Naturally those (SENSES) are precisely HOW…manKIND communicates with manKIND…and manKIND is Thus ABLE From the beginning of manKIND TO THIS DAY…Learn a multitude OF KNOWLEDGE…

INCLUDING…Learning ABOUT their CREATOR and MAKER.

All day long, manKIND from the moment they are born into this world, are continuously LEARNING Knowledge…and MINDFULLY deciding IF they BELIEVE the Knowledge…OR NOT.

God ASKS manKIND, to Learn ABOUT Him…
Decide with the THOUGHTS of their HEART,
(Otherwise known as the Natural spirit of man)…
TO DO … Two ‘works’.
# 1 …. Believe IN their Creator (Father God) AND Believe IN their Maker (Son Jesus).
# 2…. IF, they DO SO, believe IN their Creator and Maker… TO THEN call on the Lord God, and CONFESS TO Him…From the the Belief IN their natural spirit in their heart…that they “DO SO Believe IN the Lord God.”

ONCE that IS accomplished, (BY the individual manKIND of person)….

THEN…the Lord God (all-knowing), YET does the SAME as He teaches (To TEST ALL things, ie VERIFY)….
“HE” searches that individuals, natural spirit in his heart….TO VERIFY, that individuals CONFESSION IS TRUE.

Be it TRUE…(belief and confession)…
“ONCE and FOREVER a relationship is FORM-ED, and SEAL-ED. Between the Lord God and that one individual manKIND of being.”

Be it FALSE…(belief and confession)…
FOREVER there shall NEVER be a “relationship form-ed Between the Lord God and that one individual manKIND of being.”
^^^^^^ WHY NOT?
Because that individual manKIND of being…
LIED to the Lord God Almighty, who IS the Holy Spirit…and thus can NEVER be FORGIVEN.

FORGIVEN of WHAT?
Forgiven for being naturally born IN UNBELIEF….and then having LIED about having come INTO Belief.

God made ALL things “VERY GOOD”…. Much of Gods made ‘VERY GOOD things” have become “CORRUPTED”.
God offered manKIND an “order and way” to overcome its corruption and become MADE uncorrupted AND reconciled WITH the Lord God….FOREVER.

Some men CHOOSE to receive the Lord Gods Offering….
Some men CHOOSE to reject the Lord Gods Offering…

God Already KNOWS, who, how many, WILL ACCEPT His Offering and REJECT His Offering….
And God HAS “Prepared” a FOREVER Judgement, Sentence, ie Consequence for every individual to Chooses Him and Rejects Him…
Which are the SAME who SHALL live forever with God IN His House/Kingdom/Estate….
Or Not.

Gen 2:
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Gen 1:
[31] And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Gods LOVE has nothing to do with Gods JUSTICE…God IS Just… Reject God and He will NOT FORCE a man INTO His …
House, Kingdom, Estate.

God is EXPRESS…if a manKIND of being is NOT WITH God, that man IS WITHOUT God, God is NOT WITH that man.

Matt 12:
[30a]He that is not with me is against me;

Out of the BILLIONS of manKIND of beings who have ever been naturally born…
FEW will freely choose to BE WITH God, and inturn God with them.

A man WITH God….A man WITHOUT God…
God IS JUST, every man SHALL have his Choice honored.
God HAS Prepared a PLACE for each.

Glory to God,
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● Matt 5:29-30 . . If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw
it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole
body to be thrown into Hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it
off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than
for your whole body to go into Hell.

I've no doubt that numbers of folk down below right now would gladly give
up a hand and an eye if it would get them out of there; but where do we
stop with this? Until both eyes are gone and both hands, and both feet and
both ears? And then a lobotomy too?

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