Moriah's Song
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Do you realize that you just called Jesus a liar?You do realize that in scripture leaven represents sin do you not?
Jesus spoke those words. I just posted what He said.
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Do you realize that you just called Jesus a liar?You do realize that in scripture leaven represents sin do you not?
the same jesus who said to beware of the leaven of the pharisees.Do you realize that you just called Jesus a liar?
Jesus spoke those words. I just posted what He wrote.
@GodsGrace The NT believer is not under the law in any case (Hebrews 7.12; 7.19)...Is your last paragraph the bone of contention?
Is this convo about what type of bread is used at communion?
Because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are lying.Provide a verse and stop telling lies.
I thought when you guys argue about what is under the law and what isn't, it refers to the time before Jesus death, and when He dies, all of that stuff is gone@GodsGrace The NT believer is not under the law in any case (Hebrews 7.12; 7.19)...
@Cassandra This was kind of my point, I guess...I thought when you guys argue about what is under the law and what isn't, it refers to the time before Jesus death, and when He dies, all of that stuff is gone
please show us in the OT where leavened bread was authorised for use on the passover mean/feast of unleavened breadYou are fighting a losing battle.
On Thursday, at the Passover meal for Christ they used leavened bread....look up the Greek word used for bread....Leavened...daily bread.
Then the normal Passover meal that would occur on Friday was a Seder meal and they used unleavened bread.
yes.The world reckons the beginning of the day as sunrise, but the Jews have always reckoned the beginning of the day as sunset based upon the account of creation. There was darkness in creation before there was light.
3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. Genesis 1:3-5
This is why the Jewish feasts start at sundown the day before the calendar day.
You said he was the bread of life.Do you realize that you just called Jesus a liar?
Jesus spoke those words. I just posted what He said.
Of course not, but asserting that something is found in scripture, when it isn't is either a lie or just a proof of ignorance. When someone accuses you of saying something that you've never said, or of believing things which you don't believe, that person is giving false testimony and literally trampling on yours to give themselves the appearance of righteousness. I leave vengeance to my God, He will repay, but if you want to abide with sin that's your loss.Because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are lying.
Also, I'd like to keep this thread in a pleasant state of discussion.
We're here to discuss biblical matters, not to insult each other.
by the way if you look up the greek translated unleavened bread. The greek word literally means unleavened, or fermented.Do you realize that you just called Jesus a liar?
Jesus spoke those words. I just posted what He said.
context always has to be taken.I thought when you guys argue about what is under the law and what isn't, it refers to the time before Jesus death, and when He dies, all of that stuff is gone
Duh. You claimed that the septuagint proved Jesus used leavened bread for the passover. That's impossible. The vulgate is not the septuagint and was written centuries after the septuagint. Scholars are reasonably confident that the septuagint was written about 300 years before the birth of Christ, and by 72 Jewish scholars.
Again, where are you getting this fiction?
That wasn't insult, but factual. A liarBecause someone disagrees with you does not mean they are lying.
Also, I'd like to keep this thread in a pleasant state of discussion.
We're here to discuss biblical matters, not to insult each other.
You mean forward to the Cross. Hadn't happened yet. Farouk mentioned we were not under law, and I was just stating that the way folk argue that happened (law removed) was after Christ, not before, and these dinners were before,context always has to be taken.
Passover and unleavened bread (the feast) were OT Jewish celebrations. which were contained in the law.
The lords supper. Is a NT celebration.
One looks back to Egypt. the other looks back to the cross
That wasn't insult, but factual. A liar
tells lies. Do you want a definition? If you want to be christ like, you should walk as He did and Christ didn't tolerate lies.
to be a devils advocate.If someone truly believes something and they tell it, they are not lying, just misinformed.
Please be careful of word choice, so you don't get into trouble with the moderators.
(I agree with you about the bread being unleavened.)
Absolutely! Good job!Well it is easy to get the timeline mixed up regarding the Septuagint and the story behind it.
Absolutely! Good job!
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HISTORY OF BIBLE TRANSLATIONS
The Old Testament in Greek: 3rd c. BC - 3rd c. AD
There is no need for any part of the Bible to be translated until a community of Jews, in the Diaspora, forget their Hebrew. For the Jews of Alexandria, in the 3rd century BC, Greek is the first language. They undertake the translation of the Old Testament now known as the Septuagint.
Five centuries later the early Christians, who use Greek for their own New Testament, need to read both Old and New Testaments - for they see themselves as the inheritors of the Old Testament tradition. It is essential for their arguments, when debating with Jewish rabbis, that they have an accurate understanding of the original Hebrew. Their need prompts the great work of biblical scholarship undertaken by Origen in the 3rd century AD.
In his Hexapla (from the Greek word for 'sixfold') Origen arranges six versions of the Old Testament in parallel columns for comparative study. The first column is the original Hebrew; next comes a transliteration of this in Greek letters, so that Christians can pronounce the Hebrew text; this is followed by the Septuagint, and then by Greek translations by Christian scholars.
When it comes to the Psalms, Origen adds a further two versions. One of them is the text of a scroll which he has himself discovered in a jar in the valley of the Jordan - exactly as with the Dead Sea Scrolls in our own time..........
(Note:This article does a complete list of the translations from the Septuagint up until the present day but was too long for it here. You can get the full article at the link below)
Erasmus, Luther and Tyndale: 1516-1536
Luther's interest in translating the New Testament from the original Greek into German has been stimulated, in 1518, by the arrival in Wittenberg of a new young professor, Philip Melanchthon.
Read more: HISTORY OF BIBLE TRANSLATIONS
You are correct on that portion of your post. BUT the point that I was making is in an earlier post of the timeline on that Last Supper which was this....and these dinners were before,