Holocaust question.

[Reggie Belafonte]

I think there is a plan God has to bring about his glory and to save the world. And everything leads up to that. I would think the angels know that. Also I don't see how anything in that OP was denying God's power. In fact it was the allies that saved the remaining Jews and thwarted Hitlers plans of genocide. And I believe that many men and women fought to defend those Jews and their own countries peoples. God gave them courage to do so, not to mention the technology to fight against Hitler. Enlightenment thru the Spirit of Wisdom and Knowledge are gifts of the Holy Spirit. Perfect love hath no fear.

The UK PM W Churchill hated the Jews and never lifted a finger to save the Jews nor did the USA President. after the war was when people found out about the Genocide and the issues of the Jews came up.
Hitler was a so called Zionist Jew clearly in the game that Rothschild's and Co wanted to take place, Hitler had the so called Zionist coming into his office in and out all through the war, they had papers to conduct business without fear of any of the Nazi dupes at all.

The UK PM W Churchill was a lap dog to Lord Rothschild during the war, Lord Rothschild said openly that the State called Israel was all his creation.
Lord Rothschild threatened the UK Monarch openly, as the UK Monarch were just xxxxxxx to him and he could destroy them at will, he was the most powerful man in the whole world by far. The Rothschild's own half of the world in fact and people like Bill Gates is nothing to them but a xxxxxxx slave in fact.
The majority of the world think that Bill Gates was the richest man in the word, he was nothing but a xxx ant to the Rothschild's.

In 1965 W Churchill said on TV that they could of won WW2 without firing a shot, but that they wanted to win markets ? it was all about power and position and money and WC said he could not care less about the Communist at all nor the Nazi ideology as that was not the point at all he said.

The Rothschild's created the false Zionist and they created the Communist and the Nazis all for their own ends. they undermined all Nations at will, look at the USA it's so unhealthy, now I ask why is that ? well it's has been undermined by tactics for years that are used to make it unhealthy both body and Soul then they have robed the Nation and bankrupted a Nation that is the greatest on earth by far and it is suffering like it has a cancer, now how could that be possible ? well it's being undermined, the same thing with Australia , no one could be so stupid to have such Nations that have every thing going for it but it's all xxxxxxxx against the wall like a moronic drunken sailor. not to mention the majority are the drunken sailor in a stupor.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Fiction

The UK PM W Churchill was a lap dog to Lord Rothschild during the war, Lord Rothschild said openly that the State called Israel was all his creation.

False

The UK PM W Churchill hated the Jews and never lifted a finger to save the Jews nor did the USA President. after the war was when people found out about the Genocide and the issues of the Jews came up.

False

The reality:

Anti-Semitism was anathema to Churchill. In a letter to his mother he described the French anti-Semitic campaign against Dreyfus as “a monstrous conspiracy.” His main criticism of the Conservative Government’s Aliens Bill in 1904 was that the proposed immigration controls could be abused by an “anti-Semitic Home Secretary.”

When, in the House of Commons in 1921, Churchill spoke in favour of Jewish land purchase in Palestine, a fellow Member of Parliament warned him that, as a result of his advocacy, he would find himself up “against the hereditary antipathy which exists all over the world to the Jewish race.” This was indeed so: in 1940 a senior Conservative gave as one reason for Churchill’s unsuitability to be Prime Minister his “pro-Zionist” stance in Cabinet, protesting against the Chamberlain government’s restrictions on Jewish land purchase.

During the Second World War, Churchill suggested the removal of “anti-Semitic officers” from high positions in the Middle East. This led one of those officers, his friend General Sir Edward Spears, a Liberal MP, to warn this writer that “Churchill was too fond of Jews.”

 

[Heart2Soul]

Myth and Reality - What Did Churchill Really Think About the Jews?

 

[Heart2Soul]

The UK PM W Churchill hated the Jews and never lifted a finger to save the Jews nor did the USA President. after the war was when people found out about the Genocide and the issues of the Jews came up.
Hitler was a so called Zionist Jew clearly in the game that Rothschild's and Co wanted to take place, Hitler had the so called Zionist coming into his office in and out all through the war, they had papers to conduct business without fear of any of the Nazi dupes at all.

The UK PM W Churchill was a lap dog to Lord Rothschild during the war, Lord Rothschild said openly that the State called Israel was all his creation.
Lord Rothschild threatened the UK Monarch openly, as the UK Monarch were just piss ants to him and he could destroy them at will, he was the most powerful man in the whole world by far. The Rothschild's own half of the world in fact and people like Bill Gates is nothing to them but a nigger slave in fact.
The majority of the world think that Bill Gates was the richest man in the word, he was nothing but a piss ant to the Rothschild's.

In 1965 W Churchill said on TV that they could of won WW2 without firing a shot, but that they wanted to win markets ? it was all about power and position and money and WC said he could not care less about the Communist at all nor the Nazi ideology as that was not the point at all he said.

The Rothschild's created the false Zionist and they created the Communist and the Nazis all for their own ends. they undermined all Nations at will, look at the USA it's so unhealthy, now I ask why is that ? well it's has been undermined by tactics for years that are used to make it unhealthy both body and Soul then they have robed the Nation and bankrupted a Nation that is the greatest on earth by far and it is suffering like it has a cancer, now how could that be possible ? well it's being undermined, the same thing with Australia , no one could be so stupid to have such Nations that have every thing going for it but it's all pissed up against the wall like a moronic drunken sailor. not to mention the majority are the drunken sailor in a stupor.

Reggie...please leave out the expletive adjectives...it is not appropriate in a Christian Forum. Thank you.

 

[dev553344]

The UK PM W Churchill hated the Jews and never lifted a finger to save the Jews nor did the USA President. after the war was when people found out about the Genocide and the issues of the Jews came up.
Hitler was a so called Zionist Jew clearly in the game that Rothschild's and Co wanted to take place, Hitler had the so called Zionist coming into his office in and out all through the war, they had papers to conduct business without fear of any of the Nazi dupes at all.

The UK PM W Churchill was a lap dog to Lord Rothschild during the war, Lord Rothschild said openly that the State called Israel was all his creation.
Lord Rothschild threatened the UK Monarch openly, as the UK Monarch were just xxxxxxx to him and he could destroy them at will, he was the most powerful man in the whole world by far. The Rothschild's own half of the world in fact and people like Bill Gates is nothing to them but a xxxxxxx slave in fact.
The majority of the world think that Bill Gates was the richest man in the word, he was nothing but a xxx ant to the Rothschild's.

In 1965 W Churchill said on TV that they could of won WW2 without firing a shot, but that they wanted to win markets ? it was all about power and position and money and WC said he could not care less about the Communist at all nor the Nazi ideology as that was not the point at all he said.

The Rothschild's created the false Zionist and they created the Communist and the Nazis all for their own ends. they undermined all Nations at will, look at the USA it's so unhealthy, now I ask why is that ? well it's has been undermined by tactics for years that are used to make it unhealthy both body and Soul then they have robed the Nation and bankrupted a Nation that is the greatest on earth by far and it is suffering like it has a cancer, now how could that be possible ? well it's being undermined, the same thing with Australia , no one could be so stupid to have such Nations that have every thing going for it but it's all xxxxxxxx against the wall like a moronic drunken sailor. not to mention the majority are the drunken sailor in a stupor.

Interesting, I always thought it was the allies. My grandfather died in WW2 in Germany when they were cleaning things up. I always thought that's when the Jews were set free. There is an interesting article here about who helped the Jews escape the holocaust: Rescue of Jews during the Holocaust - Wikipedia

 

[prism]

Irrespective of the views about Zionists, the reality is that the Holocaust was allowed to happen, but in the context of world history its the tip of the iceberg on what evil has taken place against Gods people, and others.

It's also the tip of the iceberg on what evil will be taking place during the Time of Jacob's Trouble compared to what has gone before.

 

[dev553344]

The UK PM W Churchill hated the Jews and never lifted a finger to save the Jews nor did the USA President. after the war was when people found out about the Genocide and the issues of the Jews came up.
Hitler was a so called Zionist Jew clearly in the game that Rothschild's and Co wanted to take place, Hitler had the so called Zionist coming into his office in and out all through the war, they had papers to conduct business without fear of any of the Nazi dupes at all.

The UK PM W Churchill was a lap dog to Lord Rothschild during the war, Lord Rothschild said openly that the State called Israel was all his creation.
Lord Rothschild threatened the UK Monarch openly, as the UK Monarch were just xxxxxxx to him and he could destroy them at will, he was the most powerful man in the whole world by far. The Rothschild's own half of the world in fact and people like Bill Gates is nothing to them but a xxxxxxx slave in fact.
The majority of the world think that Bill Gates was the richest man in the word, he was nothing but a xxx ant to the Rothschild's.

In 1965 W Churchill said on TV that they could of won WW2 without firing a shot, but that they wanted to win markets ? it was all about power and position and money and WC said he could not care less about the Communist at all nor the Nazi ideology as that was not the point at all he said.

The Rothschild's created the false Zionist and they created the Communist and the Nazis all for their own ends. they undermined all Nations at will, look at the USA it's so unhealthy, now I ask why is that ? well it's has been undermined by tactics for years that are used to make it unhealthy both body and Soul then they have robed the Nation and bankrupted a Nation that is the greatest on earth by far and it is suffering like it has a cancer, now how could that be possible ? well it's being undermined, the same thing with Australia , no one could be so stupid to have such Nations that have every thing going for it but it's all xxxxxxxx against the wall like a moronic drunken sailor. not to mention the majority are the drunken sailor in a stupor.

Reggie, there is another interesting article here that explains who cleaned up those concentration camps, apprently the USA was part of it as they swept thru German held positions: Nazi concentration camps - WikipediaNazi concentration camps - Wikipedia

"Following Allied military victories, the camps were gradually liberated in 1944 and 1945, although hundreds of thousands of prisoners died in the death marches."

Looks like the Soviets hold the title for liberation at the end of the war though: Six months later, on January 27, 1945, Soviet troops liberated Auschwitz. Auschwitz was the largest Nazi killing center and concentration camp complex. In the weeks preceding the arrival of Soviet units, Auschwitz camp personnel had forced the majority of Auschwitz prisoners to march westward in what would become known as "death marches." When they entered the camp, Soviet soldiers found over six thousand emaciated prisoners alive. These prisoners greeted the soldiers as their liberators.

"Six months later, on January 27, 1945, Soviet troops liberated Auschwitz. Auschwitz was the largest Nazi killing center and concentration camp complex. In the weeks preceding the arrival of Soviet units, Auschwitz camp personnel had forced the majority of Auschwitz prisoners to march westward in what would become known as "death marches." When they entered the camp, Soviet soldiers found over six thousand emaciated prisoners alive. These prisoners greeted the soldiers as their liberators. "

So what I learned was that although the Allies and Soviets were among them that cleaned up the war. Most of the time the Germans moved the concentration camps prisoners before them came and to keep them secret and to kill more Jews.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Fiction


False

False

The reality:

Anti-Semitism was anathema to Churchill. In a letter to his mother he described the French anti-Semitic campaign against Dreyfus as “a monstrous conspiracy.” His main criticism of the Conservative Government’s Aliens Bill in 1904 was that the proposed immigration controls could be abused by an “anti-Semitic Home Secretary.”

When, in the House of Commons in 1921, Churchill spoke in favour of Jewish land purchase in Palestine, a fellow Member of Parliament warned him that, as a result of his advocacy, he would find himself up “against the hereditary antipathy which exists all over the world to the Jewish race.” This was indeed so: in 1940 a senior Conservative gave as one reason for Churchill’s unsuitability to be Prime Minister his “pro-Zionist” stance in Cabinet, protesting against the Chamberlain government’s restrictions on Jewish land purchase.

During the Second World War, Churchill suggested the removal of “anti-Semitic officers” from high positions in the Middle East. This led one of those officers, his friend General Sir Edward Spears, a Liberal MP, to warn this writer that “Churchill was too fond of Jews.”

I know all about that stuff.
I was talking about during the war time with Churchill, that he knew all about what was going on with the Jews but did nothing, after the War is another game play at hand, he was no friend of the British people but of a set few of his ilk.

I remember I was informed by a old Jewish friend of our family back in 1972 who was in the Nazi Camps and I still remember he had the numbers on his arm so spot on done and I was so surprised at how neatly them numbers were done and he informed everyone of his opinions on WW2 as all the old ones who lived under it did as well and I would listen to them old people and that old Jew sure has hell zeroed in on W Churchill as being the main cause of the Jews being killed. Churchill was the one who demanded WW2 and even stated 3 years before WW2 that Germany was going to get war wether she liked it or not. that's a fact.
Churchill was a great slob a drunkard and a pig to women, he would of lost the war if it was not for the USA and the game play that got the USA into the war was a disgrace as the Government sacrificed all them people on Pearl harbour, one should do your homework on that and why the top man of the USA Fleet had to resigned in protest as to what the Government want him to do, Sit by like a total moron and let the whole fleet be destroyed by the Japs go look into it all. But they got their war kicked off, it was a tactic, to sacrifice USA people like that is the work of Satanist in fact.

One has to be very carful of such Satanist workings they play everyone for a fool and it much like a master assassin they cover their tracks well, such is an art form. so is the cunning of tactics of warfare and business dealings. everything comes down to business dealings, if their is nothing in it for them up the top you will not see a war take place.

Everyone was played in the whole world, clearly it was worked out years in advance and stage set in advance.

Of the history of WW2 WC boasted that he planed to wright it.

As to Jews and Churchill he was Lord Rothschild lap dog and WW2 was all Rothschild creation master plan, WC was not a Christian he was a filthy cunning Freemason and his ilk were greatest of snobs that were keen to lord it over all people for their own gains, such people as him look down on everyone, not to mention how WC treated our Australian PM, Oh WC has a history of being a bastard in WW1 and the Boar war. he sold peoples lives out cheaply indeed, not to mention he was into eugenics just like his good old mate Hitler was.
Hitler was a lap dog to Lord Rothschild as well and was just playing to the Game play as well as Stalin etc, I do not think that Duce was as he was just a typical Italian as he was not acting ! Hitler was a great actor just as was W Churchill. I have to hand it to them you can just sit back and watch the showmanship, they were truly masters of playing the people.

WW2 was all staged by the puppet masters.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Reggie, there is another interesting article here that explains who cleaned up those concentration camps, apprently the USA was part of it as they swept thru German held positions: Nazi concentration camps - WikipediaNazi concentration camps - Wikipedia

"Following Allied military victories, the camps were gradually liberated in 1944 and 1945, although hundreds of thousands of prisoners died in the death marches."

Looks like the Soviets hold the title for liberation at the end of the war though: Six months later, on January 27, 1945, Soviet troops liberated Auschwitz. Auschwitz was the largest Nazi killing center and concentration camp complex. In the weeks preceding the arrival of Soviet units, Auschwitz camp personnel had forced the majority of Auschwitz prisoners to march westward in what would become known as "death marches." When they entered the camp, Soviet soldiers found over six thousand emaciated prisoners alive. These prisoners greeted the soldiers as their liberators.

"Six months later, on January 27, 1945, Soviet troops liberated Auschwitz. Auschwitz was the largest Nazi killing center and concentration camp complex. In the weeks preceding the arrival of Soviet units, Auschwitz camp personnel had forced the majority of Auschwitz prisoners to march westward in what would become known as "death marches." When they entered the camp, Soviet soldiers found over six thousand emaciated prisoners alive. These prisoners greeted the soldiers as their liberators. "

So what I learned was that although the Allies and Soviets were among them that cleaned up the war. Most of the time the Germans moved the concentration camps prisoners before them came and to keep them secret and to kill more Jews.

Do you want me to respond to that.
Well for a start the old Jew friend of the family who was in Auschwitz and his wife may I add, said they were in fear of the Soviets and the ones who marched out with the Nazis did so, out of fear of the Soviets the rest were to weak to go with the Nazis. as was he and his wife and then when they were freed from the camps he said most of the people in the camps died because they ate to much too soon, you can not go for months on end with bugger all food and then eat to much, you have to work your way up over time.

The Jews who did not work in the camps did not get numbers on their arm.

Jews who were 3 times removed were just as free as any German but if you were only 2 times removed you were classed as a Jew and all different types were identified by the Numbers and other things like coloured stars etc

The Nazis had bugger all food for themselves near the end of the war in fact.

Another thing was that the Nazis did not kill all of the Jews in the camps, one would think if the final solution was truly held up as is claimed, why did they not kill them all ?

You know that the only reason for the German people to look up to the Socialist Nazi beat was all to do with fear of the Communist, if their was no such thing as Communist the Germans would not of had nothing to fear ! Did the Germans fear the UK people ? No ! was their a problem with the people be it UK or Germany No ! was their a problem with the People Polish and Germans No ! all that was causing up the trouble was Government leaderships and Media. they pushed the agendas. all were puppets to Lord Rothschild as his Mob had them all on strings.

Hitler had nothing to fear himself in W Churchill as WC demanded that he did not want Hitler killed in fact. the only people who Hitler feared were the Germans may get him and many top ranks tried to kill that bastard. in the end it was Hitler who was the biggest idiot in the war who did the most stupid things that got them killed in fact and he said that he wanted every German to die to the last man. same with WC he was willing to sacrifice every one in the UK down to the last, We will never surrender ? now who is the we truly in that ? him and his ilk ? no WC put the UK through Hell and for many years after it became a back water.

The people of the world were played in fact and we still are under delusions of this world. boy was Jesus Christ was correct about that statement.

 

[Taken]

Do you think the good angels were ever tempted to believe that God's will was being thwarted when the Holocaust occurred?

tempted to think God wasn't fully Sovereign?

Angels are a spirit creation of God.
Anglels were Created "holy", meaning, "HAVING Gods Truth and Doing Gods Good (Righteous) Services".
Angels were ALSO "made" to have their OWN FREEWILL ... "their" CHOICE ... to REMAIN "holy", DOING Gods Good "Righteous" Services...
OR;
Devise their "OWN" works, IN CONTRAST to Gods Righteous Services.

Before Mankind was Created and Made...
The FIRST holy Angel...himself being blessed (MADE via Gods Supreme Power) ... with GREAT POWERS....
* FREELY CHOSE, to DEFLECT, from "holy service unto God"... Thought himself, powerful enough to RISE UP ABOVE GOD, and "replace God Almighty", WITH "himself" Seated IN the SEAT of "Supreme Power".

THAT, created spirit Angel, called by the name LUCIFER, was CAST OUT of and DOWN from his "ESTATE' (heaven)....TO the Newly established "estate" FOR "earthlings"... (that such "earthlings" would be created out of their "estate", Earth).

So...this UN-holy angel WAS present ON the Earth...Before "earthly" created and made man-KIND of thing WAS "created and made".

Lucifer, also Losing any continual reference to the name given Him IN Heaven...became called...The Devil.
And all Of Gods "holy created angels", having collectively been call "sons of God"...
WHO...freely Chose
to FOLLOW "Lucifers'" INFLUENCE and WAY" ....were Also cast Down to Earth....
....losing their First estate, heaven.
....and Also collectively, called "devils".
....and losing their entitled Position, as of "sons of God".
....and losing their entitled Position, of "holiness".

Any created thing can BE TEMPTED...
Which is to SAY...HAVE an "unholy" thing..
(That IS A TEMPT-ER), approach them, with a Devised Un-holy "TEMPTATION"...
* Simply a holy thing, "HEARING" a
TEMPT-ER's OFFERING OF A "TEMPT-ATION" is the holy thing, BEING TEMPT-ED.

* THE KEY to the "understanding" IS:
The holy thing BEING TEMPT-ED, by the unholy "TEMPT-ER"...
IS...TO DENOUNCE the "TEMPT-ER",
IS...TO REJECT the "TEMPT-ER'S" Offer.
IS...TO DENY any "Consideration" of the TEMPTER'S Offer.

* A man WHO...denounces, rejects, denies the unholy TEMPTER and his intent to TEMPT with unholy TEMPTATIONS....
'MAINTAINS his holiness, BY "NOT FALLING FOR a corrupt TEMPTERS offered TEMPTATIONS".

* Was the holy one TEMPTED?
YES and NO.

* THE ACT of the unholy one was TO TEMPT a holy one. THAT ACT occured.

* THE ACT of the holy one, REJECTED the unholy ones TEMPTING, and OFFER of Temptations.

God Himself was TEMPTED by the unholy.
(expressly no less than 10 times)
Numbers 14:22
Jesus Himself was TEMPTED by the unholy Devil.
(Expressly 40 days)
Mark 1:13

The POINT IS;
Being Tempted by an unholy one, is one thing.
Considering or falling for (in agreement) with a Tempter is a completly other thing.

Scripture expressly notifies us;
Holy Angels lose their estate (heaven), are cast down to earth, and Freely roam about,
Exercising their power, to Appear to the "eyes" of earthly men in "FORMS", (bodys) which are not their own body.
Tempting earthly men, with "enticing" speech, of promises of "enticing Temptations"...
AS A METHOD, to "entice" a man to "FOLLOW THEM"....RATHER THAN FOLLOW AFTER GOD AND HIS WORD.

Nothing whatsoever, Scripturally concludes...that
Holy Angels, "DO NOT CONTINUE", to "FALL AWAY" FROM their own estate (heaven), and occupy the earth, (as Devils), continuing their METHOD of "tempting" earthly men to Follow them, and REJECT following after God AND His Word.

All Angels were "Created and Made" holy.
And yes... holy Angels can and continually are, tempted, to fall in unholiness.
And, yes...holy Angels can and continually do, fall into temptation of other fallen Angels, and themselves, BECOME unholy Angels, devils.
And, yes...Unholy Angels occupy and increase in falling from their holiness and holy estate TO; occupying the earth
And, yes...Unholy Angels increase their earthly presence and increasingly tempt human men, and human men who fall for their temptations...
Themselves carry on tempting other human men to follow them, in Rejecting, Denying, the Holiness of God and His Word.

 

[DPMartin]

I thought Jewish people were in favor of Zionism. Isn't Zionism a doctrine of Jewish superiority in the same vein as White Supremacy?

no, read so history will you, WOW.

Zionist or world Zionist organization basically started in 1897 preaching return to Israel. the Jew north of Jerusalem (i say that because the OT prophets mention to the north more than once) anyway through out Europe there was at least from the late 1600 started by the "age of enlightenment" of the political and social concept of the Jewish problem known as the "Jewish Question"

so the Jews in Europe knew they weren't invited and Zionists were preaching return to Israel. and if you notice now there is an Israel hence God's plane. so since its now undisputed that God wanted His people to return to Israel and they didn't just what does God do about thing like that?

even in the case of of the "Final solution" to the "Jewish question" Hitler warned the Jews in a radio broadcast in Germany that they had one year to leave, and they still didn't leave.

on that "Jewish superiority in the same vein as White Supremacy" crap that's to generated hatred for the Jewish state. because the Jewish state is to be as its written by the hand of Moses hence according to God's Judgement of what they should be not according to the world's judgement of what Israel should be.

its really supposed to be for Jews only, though strangers may visit, but todays world seeks to make it law to tolerate a Sodom and Gomorrah society. i do remember some time back somebody mentioning gay pride parades in Israel.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

no, read so history will you, WOW.

Zionist or world Zionist organization basically started in 1897 preaching return to Israel. the Jew north of Jerusalem (i say that because the OT prophets mention to the north more than once) anyway through out Europe there was at least from the late 1600 started by the "age of enlightenment" of the political and social concept of the Jewish problem known as the "Jewish Question"

so the Jews in Europe knew they weren't invited and Zionists were preaching return to Israel. and if you notice now there is an Israel hence God's plane. so since its now undisputed that God wanted His people to return to Israel and they didn't just what does God do about thing like that?

even in the case of of the "Final solution" to the "Jewish question" Hitler warned the Jews in a radio broadcast in Germany that they had one year to leave, and they still didn't leave.

on that "Jewish superiority in the same vein as White Supremacy" crap that's to generated hatred for the Jewish state. because the Jewish state is to be as its written by the hand of Moses hence according to God's Judgement of what they should be not according to the world's judgement of what Israel should be.

its really supposed to be for Jews only, though strangers may visit, but todays world seeks to make it law to tolerate a Sodom and Gomorrah society. i do remember some time back somebody mentioning gay pride parades in Israel.

The Land is for Jews only ? sounds like Hitler's Germany dribble.
Hitler was wanting the Germans lands back that was stolen from them 20 years before hand ? well the German people wanted their lands back because they claimed such was a planed rip off from the start because the whole war was staged by a hand full of evil men. that's just for starters.

Now lets look at the Jews Lands well that was 2000 years ago ! let alone it was God that kicked them out of the Land ! with good reason because they rejected God in fact, they turned their backs on God in fact, bar for a few who were worthy to be dubbed Israelites and they all became Christians in fact. the rest of the Jews are a curse and why is that, well they are not worthy of God at all. St Stephen points out in Acts the fact of the matter. not to mention that bastard Flag that the Jews have has what is a man made symbol on it, many of the Jews who came to the newly created State were angered at having that in the Flag as it stands at it's first unfolding, they wanted the real Israeli symbol the Menorah !

Many of the first Jews who came to the newly created lands were set aside for them were devout in creating a real Israel State under the Law and the religion being only for serious and devout people, not yobbos who are atheist ect. but the Yobbos got to much power and then it became a trash place for degenerates like as you pointed out Gay parading about thumbing their nose at the devout Jews and the Laws that all worthy Jews must obey ! by rights as to true OT Israel, everyone who takes part in homosexual acts should be put to death on the spot. it's a place for Gods people ! not trash ! that was the whole point of the devout wanting a Land and back in the days after WW2 as the overwhelming 98% say of Christians did not like Jews at all due to their cunning and disregard to Jesus being the Christ in fact, so the Governments worked to set aside a Land for such people that they could be free to do as they wish regardless of the Christians. because of the great percussion's due to that moron. Hitler in fact was 100% the reason for such giving the plan the go ahead in fact and such would never been given any regards at all if it was not for Hitler and all his crap in fact. The State in fact would never of got off the ground at all if it was not for Hitler's actions.

So the State has got Hitler to thank for it's creation in fact and not only that it was Hitler who demanded the State in the first place, right from the beginning and the UK were the ones who put obstacles in the way of it all, bar after the war.

The Jews were well know bastards all over the world for their miss treatment of people or total disregard for anyone who is not Jewish as they regard such as not worthy of being human, that's why they had such disregard for such people and they used them, in business and banking they were cunning as they come, as they held nothing back in trying to destroy people, Nations all through History have kicked the Jews out due to their ruthless cunning tactics in undermining the uneducated Goyim. as they are not a God fearing people but humanist worldly thugs with a dedication to rule the world and dominate and enslave all, in fact they themselves are Slaves to this world the poor miserable deluded bastards.

I know Jewish mates in business and that's them all right, content on destroying people with no regards at all to them. in fact out right despising them for falling for taking them for their word ? they are not going to keep their word when it comes time to paying you, unless it's legally documented. even if it is they will work some way out to not having to pay you or to rip you off and they pride themselves on such. I have seen it many a time. Wage earners do not have a clue that they are totally oblivious to such things because they do not have to deal with such week to week tactics coming to hand.

 

[friend of]

Um. Mods do something?

 

[Curtis]

Angels never question the Sovereignty of God nor were they tempted to. I believe God would have seen this and been forced to remove their presence from heaven.

Other than the head angel Lucifer, and the third of the angels who followed him?

 

[Curtis]

The Land is for Jews only ? sounds like Hitler's Germany dribble.
Hitler was wanting the Germans lands back that was stolen from them 20 years before hand ? well the German people wanted their lands back because they claimed such was a planed rip off from the start because the whole war was staged by a hand full of evil men. that's just for starters.

Now lets look at the Jews Lands well that was 2000 years ago ! let alone it was God that kicked them out of the Land ! with good reason because they rejected God in fact, they turned their backs on God in fact, bar for a few who were worthy to be dubbed Israelites and they all became Christians in fact. the rest of the Jews are a curse and why is that, well they are not worthy of God at all. St Stephen points out in Acts the fact of the matter. not to mention that bastard Flag that the Jews have has what is a man made symbol on it, many of the Jews who came to the newly created State were angered at having that in the Flag as it stands at it's first unfolding, they wanted the real Israeli symbol the Menorah !

Many of the first Jews who came to the newly created lands were set aside for them were devout in creating a real Israel State under the Law and the religion being only for serious and devout people, not yobbos who are atheist ect. but the Yobbos got to much power and then it became a trash place for degenerates like as you pointed out Gay parading about thumbing their nose at the devout Jews and the Laws that all worthy Jews must obey ! by rights as to true OT Israel, everyone who takes part in homosexual acts should be put to death on the spot. it's a place for Gods people ! not trash ! that was the whole point of the devout wanting a Land and back in the days after WW2 as the overwhelming 98% say of Christians did not like Jews at all due to their cunning and disregard to Jesus being the Christ in fact, so the Governments worked to set aside a Land for such people that they could be free to do as they wish regardless of the Christians. because of the great percussion's due to that moron. Hitler in fact was 100% the reason for such giving the plan the go ahead in fact and such would never been given any regards at all if it was not for Hitler and all his crap in fact. The State in fact would never of got off the ground at all if it was not for Hitler's actions.

So the State has got Hitler to thank for it's creation in fact and not only that it was Hitler who demanded the State in the first place, right from the beginning and the UK were the ones who put obstacles in the way of it all, bar after the war.

The Jews were well know bastards all over the world for their miss treatment of people or total disregard for anyone who is not Jewish as they regard such as not worthy of being human, that's why they had such disregard for such people and they used them, in business and banking they were cunning as they come, as they held nothing back in trying to destroy people, Nations all through History have kicked the Jews out due to their ruthless cunning tactics in undermining the uneducated Goyim. as they are not a God fearing people but humanist worldly thugs with a dedication to rule the world and dominate and enslave all, in fact they themselves are Slaves to this world the poor miserable deluded bastards.

I know Jewish mates in business and that's them all right, content on destroying people with no regards at all to them. in fact out right despising them for falling for taking them for their word ? they are not going to keep their word when it comes time to paying you, unless it's legally documented. even if it is they will work some way out to not having to pay you or to rip you off and they pride themselves on such. I have seen it many a time. Wage earners do not have a clue that they are totally oblivious to such things because they do not have to deal with such week to week tactics coming to hand.

You very badly need to read Romans 11, and Zechariah 12-14 very slowly and carefully, about ten times.

And that’s just for starters. Your post shows an unbelievable ignorance about Israel.
You claim Gods done with Israel - yet Paul states unequivocally that God has not cast out His people, the nation of Israel.

There are two prophecies about two different gatherings of Israel - one with then still in rebellion and unbelief, which happened in 1948, the other yet future.

Here, I’m posting Romans 11, so you may learn something:

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

Gentiles Grafted In

Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to jealousy them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

The Mystery of Israel's Salvation

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

 

[Ziggy]

Do you think the good angels were ever tempted to believe that God's will was being thwarted when the Holocaust occurred? With so many Jews dying in that genocide? Maybe some of them would have been tempted to think God wasn't fully Sovereign? Or am I grossly incorrect?

Hello Friend,
I don't know if this will help answer your question, but in the book of Enoch, there is a part where the people of the earth were being destroyed by the bad angels.
And there are 4 good angels that went to the Lord to ask Him what he would have them do.

So in answering your question.. would the good angels ever tempted to believe that God's will was being thwarted or that God wasn't fully Sovereign?
I would say no.
God already had a plan in place for those who fell from heaven and mingled among mankind.
He already had a place prepared for them.
The good angels always went to the Lord to ask him for his direction.
The Holocaust/Genocide is the effect of history repeating itself until the end of time.
There is a place set aside for those who have come through much tribulation, and a place for those who cause it.

That is, according to the book of Enoch. Chapters 9 - 13.
Hugs

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

You very badly need to read Romans 11, and Zechariah 12-14 very slowly and carefully, about ten times.

And that’s just for starters. Your post shows an unbelievable ignorance about Israel.
You claim Gods done with Israel - yet Paul states unequivocally that God has not cast out His people, the nation of Israel.

There are two prophecies about two different gatherings of Israel - one with then still in rebellion and unbelief, which happened in 1948, the other yet future.

Here, I’m posting Romans 11, so you may learn something:

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

Gentiles Grafted In

Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to jealousy them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

The Mystery of Israel's Salvation

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

It looks like you do not know what Israel truly is in fact.

Jesus Christ said of Nathaniel, that Nathaniel was a true Israelite in fact ?

So Nathaniel is the epitome of what is in fact an true Israelite in fact ?

Jesus clearly said this and much more, in fact it's a Key point to the whole Bible what Jesus says in regards to what Nathaniel will see, that all Christians should understand and if they don't understand the point Jesus is making with Nathaniel. Well then it's clear that on is not truly born again.

Now when uneducated so called Christians nowadays make claims of Israel, they do not understand that Christ Jesus has come in fact, so in fact people like "friend of" try's to shut the door on a subjects because they are only carnal religious and yourself makes claims as such because one does not truly understand the first thing about being truly being born again. so why try to hide behind dribbling nonsense and religiousness.

I know every point you put forward here dear Curtis, maybe before you were even born.

Israel are the servants of God, that's what it means and anyone who does not serve is not such a one at all, remember Jacob how he got the Name Israel ? well he was worthy of it in fact.
Now all Jews are not worthy of the Title Israel in fact and anyone who makes claims that all Jews are Israel is a fool, they all are just only Jews, no one is born an Israelite, one becomes an Israelite in fact, because one is worthy of the Title !
One was born a Jew but the hope was to become an Israelite, to serve God.
Now when a Christian becomes water baptised that is just as like one is a Jew and part of the family under God but what is hoped for is that such a one becomes born again of the Holy Spirit and that means one is worthy of the Title Israel in fact, because it's proof that one is clearly of God servants and you know what else, such a one can never be snatched out of Gods hand, because they are his servants, they serve him only and not childish works of Man or this world.
I will make a point of that for 'friend of', because I am not on about the working of this world ?

Nothing surprises me of the works of this world, I stand with Jesus Christ on that point, That I am not of this world, so I do not partake of such deceptions their of this world. I do not champion this worlds ego driven deceptions like all no saved in fact do and they cry out for fear that they may be exposed ! because such a people are just like the ones you killed Christ Jesus in fact, because they are of this world, as they kick against the pricks.
I was once deceived and lead astray as well you know by this world. now I can see it from higher perspective view point and it's because I understand the working of Man, this world is full of deceptions. Political leaders are all puppets or worse, one does not get such a position by being nice honest genuine person at all. the political Club is full of Devils to be sure to be sure.

 

[Curtis]

It looks like you do not know what Israel truly is in fact.

Jesus Christ said of Nathaniel, that Nathaniel was a true Israelite in fact ?

So Nathaniel is the epitome of what is in fact an true Israelite in fact ?

Jesus clearly said this and much more, in fact it's a Key point to the whole Bible what Jesus says in regards to what Nathaniel will see, that all Christians should understand and if they don't understand the point Jesus is making with Nathaniel. Well then it's clear that on is not truly born again.

Now when uneducated so called Christians nowadays make claims of Israel, they do not understand that Christ Jesus has come in fact, so in fact people like "friend of" try's to shut the door on a subjects because they are only carnal religious and yourself makes claims as such because one does not truly understand the first thing about being truly being born again. so why try to hide behind dribbling nonsense and religiousness.

I know every point you put forward here dear Curtis, maybe before you were even born.

Israel are the servants of God, that's what it means and anyone who does not serve is not such a one at all, remember Jacob how he got the Name Israel ? well he was worthy of it in fact.
Now all Jews are not worthy of the Title Israel in fact and anyone who makes claims that all Jews are Israel is a fool, they all are just only Jews, no one is born an Israelite, one becomes an Israelite in fact, because one is worthy of the Title !
One was born a Jew but the hope was to become an Israelite, to serve God.
Now when a Christian becomes water baptised that is just as like one is a Jew and part of the family under God but what is hoped for is that such a one becomes born again of the Holy Spirit and that means one is worthy of the Title Israel in fact, because it's proof that one is clearly of God servants and you know what else, such a one can never be snatched out of Gods hand, because they are his servants, they serve him only and not childish works of Man or this world.
I will make a point of that for 'friend of', because I am not on about the working of this world ?

Nothing surprises me of the works of this world, I stand with Jesus Christ on that point, That I am not of this world, so I do not partake of such deceptions their of this world. I do not champion this worlds ego driven deceptions like all no saved in fact do and they cry out for fear that they may be exposed ! because such a people are just like the ones you killed Christ Jesus in fact, because they are of this world, as they kick against the pricks.
I was once deceived and lead astray as well you know by this world. now I can see it from higher perspective view point and it's because I understand the working of Man, this world is full of deceptions. Political leaders are all puppets or worse, one does not get such a position by being nice honest genuine person at all. the political Club is full of Devils to be sure to be sure.

My advice still stands. Add Hosea to Zechariah 12-14 and Romans 11. You are way off track,

 

[Heart2Soul]

Other than the head angel Lucifer, and the third of the angels who followed him?

Well isn't this proving my point? God saw it and they were cast down.

 

[DPMartin]

The Land is for Jews only ? sounds like Hitler's Germany dribble.

nope that would be the Lord their God dribble that your posting proves my point, that the world will hate and condemn Israel for its policies it will have in this regard.

funny thing, you don't mention Islamic nations and their ideas on none Muslims in their countries, that's ok according to you. but what the Jews do that's an excuse to condemn, right?

also that wasn't just Hitler dribble, that was European dribble read your history, the "Jewish question" was a known title of the subject of what to do about the Jews in their respective countries which started with the "age of enlightenment" back in the 1600's so no it wasn't just Hitler it was all of Europe including England where the "age of enlightenment" line of thinking started. which is why they stood by as the Jews were killed.

also in the biblical line of thinking God allows such things to happen to the Jews for a reason. they are still, like it or not, contracted to the Lord their God no matter what.