You are more fundagelical than me, and you toe that line sometimes, but I can't be angry at you because you at least think about it before you jump on a bandwagon.
I've known, personally people from their diaper days (nearly) who were gay and you could tell it. One in particular, the man was a marine, and a deacon. The wife was a school teacher, and sunday school teacher. They weren't playing the parts they lived them. They had about the healthiest house I have ever seen.
Their son showed gay characteristics at a very early age. They raised him appropriately, sports etc... he excelled at sports as both parents were athletic. They got counseling at first because they thought they were doing something wrong. Then to make sure it wasn't some trauma that had their son leaning that way....
The kid dated girls in high school. He didn't know any better. For Prom his mom wanted a picture of him and his gf kissing. He got nauseaus. His gf knew better and told his mom that she thought their son was gay. They had a very good and respectful relationship as high school kids, enjoyed each other blah blah blah, but he had never tried to grope or kiss her.
So back to counseling.
Later in his life, in college he found a man he was attracted to, and they dated and are probably still together.
The kid didn't do the stereotypical promiscuous thing. He was most likely virgin until he met that guy in college.
I'd say he was born gay. I have NO ISSUE defending that. Most Xians won't ever understand it because they refuse to acknowledge homosexuals are people, dehumanize them, and never get to know any. It's very reflective of the days of slavery and after, or woman's voting rights, etc.....
NOW the flip side is, I know people who have ended up being gay because of events, traumatic and other, in their lives. Here's the deal. It really doesn't matter HOW they got there. If they are there and are actually gay, it's how the roll of the dice ended up. The Church needs to get off their butts.
You do have some people who are just sexual, bi sexual, sexual addicts, etc... that have gay sex, hetero sex, toy sex, fruit and veggie sex, whatever.... Usually those are people who were sexually traumatized as well. BUT NOT ALWAYS.
Until the Church goes after all sins, as it does homosexual sins, it's being a bigot by definition. Until every type of sinner, is put through the same bs as the glbt community, you prove the Church is a bigoted organization.
Historically it's proven this to be true. Interracial marriage. Black rights. Women's voting rights. At the times those topics were issues the CHURCH was making the same heated arguments. Just as we look back at that today and frown in disgust, so to will this topic be looked back upon.
don't be sorry. If no one disagreed this forum would be really boring fast.
I understand where you come from now. I don't agree. It doesn't matter. If there was something you were missing that mattered to salvation I'd carry on...(assuming my view was right, of course.) But I don't think it matters here. Our disagreement is on speculative parts anyway, but the Spirit of both sides of this are pointing in the same direction, so what the heck. We can call each other childish names, stick our tongues out and go neener neener and have some fun with it.
So is doggy style, oral, anal, woman on top, or even missionary if you aren't trying to have a child from the sex and are doing it for pleasure. If the man doesn't have a beard, and his hair is too long, wait too short, the woman isn't in a veil, doesn't have her hair covered, if they like it, if they think of being on an open beach in the rain rather than the reality of their bedroom, all lights out, blinds pulled closed, door locked, children out of the house and neighbors gone.... Don't wanna tempt your brother afterall.....
It's all perverted to someone.
In Christ's day you could see homosexual sex in the public baths, in the alleys, in the Lord's houses, it was NOT an uncommon thing. And yet, He never addressed it.
Why? When you obsess over it and make it bigger than what it is, you miss the point.
White woman marrying black or arabic man, another perversion.
Man marrying woman his own age, or one that is too young, both are perversions to some cultures.
Do you get the point? you can't make that call.