Homosexuality: Is it the way a person is born?

[mjrhealth]

I am absolutely not perfect and I deserve Hell!! I do. I do I do. God sent the Holy Spirit to whisper to me and you the truth. I listened and obeyed and because of God's mercy and grace I am saved. I am saved in spite of my sins and not because I am perfect. Jesus did not get mad at many people but he really got mad at the Pharisees. I am sorry you feel I am one. That is the last thing I would want to be called. God loves you and He also loves me right now. Nothing you can do can change that. I feel how you act should line up with what God says is right. I love Him enough to agree with Him. If I don't agree with Him, I am wrong. I won't be disobedient and rebellious because I love Him so much for saving me and loving me enough to send Jesus to die for my sins. I don't deserve it at all but I am so thankful for it!!

Never said you where, but glad you can see it how it is, now let us let God do what He needs to do and love everyone, despite their imperfections.

Good Post

 

[mjrhealth]

How does a baby know the difference between gay and straight, how does a baby even know what lying or stealing is? it does not know until it's taught.

What has that to do with how one is born. If someones hormones are all screwed up or they are born with both male and female parts, all that will be meaninless to them, what is so hard to undertsand, look how hard it is for smokers to stop smoking, are you a big coffee drinker, try give it up for a week.

And what version of the bible do you prefer to use? Are you a King James only person? or do you use the Greek bible? i will be more than happy to quote out verses from the version you prefer.

I prefer the Holy Spirit and God but i have about 3 vesrions of the bible on my pc because there are differences and God will never change, will He.

 

[Josho]

I prefer the Holy Spirit and God but i have about 3 vesrions of the bible on my pc because there are differences and God will never change, will He.

I'm interested to hear what has the Holy Spirit told you on homosexuality? And no matter what language you read your bible in, it talks a lot about sexual sin, what do you think of that? And also what do you think about having "the Breastplate of righteousness on" means, do you believe in wearing the Breastplate of righteousness? Do you believe this world is heading in the right direction and is improving everyday? Also do you think everyone has to be able to read the original Greek bible? Did the Bible call for everyone to learn to read in Greek and Hebrew? Please explain then how can the Holy Spirit speak to people through a NIV Bible or a NLT Bible, how do people get rhema words from other Bible versions, does it really happen, or are they just faking it? So say if God shows my dad a piece of scripture from the New American Standard Bible? Would you believe it really is God showing him?

 

[tommie]

mjrhealth Are you still calling me a pharisee? Are you are judging me just like you said I was doing to you? I am not judging you. Only God can and will judge you. You can say whatever you want about me and it does not matter a lick. God says that I am worthy. Can He say that about you right now. Only you know. It is between you and God.

BTW glad you liked the post!

Also, what do you mean when you say let God do what He needs to do?( I already try to love everyone despite all of our imperfections)

 

[mjrhealth]

mjrhealth Are you still calling me a pharisee? Are you are judging me just like you said I was doing to you? I am not judging you. Only God can and will judge you. You can say whatever you want about me and it does not matter a lick. God says that I am worthy. Can He say that about you right now. Only you know. It is between you and God.

Must I repeat myself. never said you where.

But I do hope you can get your head around those verses, it takes a lot to be humbled.

Also, what do you mean when you say let God do what He needs to do?( I already try to love everyone despite all of our im

Cool than all is good.

 

[mjrhealth]

I'm interested to hear what has the Holy Spirit told you on homosexuality? And no matter what language you read your bible in, it talks a lot about sexual sin, what do you think of that? And also what do you think about having "the Breastplate of righteousness on" means, do you believe in wearing the Breastplate of righteousness? Do you believe this world is heading in the right direction and is improving everyday? Also do you think everyone has to be able to read the original Greek bible? Did the Bible call for everyone to learn to read in Greek and Hebrew? Please explain then how can the Holy Spirit speak to people through a NIV Bible or a NLT Bible, how do people get rhema words from other Bible versions, does it really happen, or are they just faking it? So say if God shows my dad a piece of scripture from the New American Standard Bible? Would you believe it really is God showing him?

Find me a scripture where is says teh Holy spirit will tech you the bible, it saya he will teach us the truth

Do you even know what sin is, is smoking a sin??

In all His Love

 

[Josho]

Find me a scripture where is says teh Holy spirit will tech you the bible, it saya he will teach us the truth

Do you even know what sin is, is smoking a sin??

In all His Love

What truths has he taught you on homosexuality then?

And the answer you wanna hear for your question, nothing is a sin, sin all you like, God will forgive and accept you as who you are, even if you don't repent, you would agree with that wouldn't you?

I'm not gonna even bother saying what i think, since u are just gonna argue with it.

 

[mjrhealth]

What truths has he taught you on homosexuality then?

And the answer you wanna hear for your question, nothing is a sin, sin all you like, God will forgive and accept you as who you are, even if you don't repent, you would agree with that wouldn't you?

Why are you so angry??

Dont you know Jesus camre to call the sinners not the righteous to repentance, dont you know even looking at a women the wrong way is a sin, is their sin any worse than yours, and again is it your fault you are born the way you are or are you to be thank full you have all your bits in the right place and have no hormone issues. Dont you know an apple can only be an apple a pear can only be a pear it cant change itself, dont you know a blind m,an cannot make himself see, a man without legs cannot grow knew ones.

Are you just upset because like Christ I stand up for the downtrodden, was it not the pharisees who always got upset with Jesus because He spent so much time with them, or are you upset that God just might make a way for them and save them all without your consent.

Let God be God, becarefull where you stand it would not be nice to hear.

Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Stop driving them away from God, you do so at your own demise.

In all His Love

 

[Josho]

I believe what i believe, you believe what you believe, we both believe in Jesus, we both have a relationship with Jesus and that's the main thing. I believe in repentance, other Christians don't, I believe in the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit, other people don't, at the end of the day it's God's decision, not ours, we can all read the Bible but a lot of us are gonna understand it differently.

I don't think im judging, i just think im correcting, I'm just simply pointing out something that is wrong, is that judging? If it is, how are we supposed to teach the next generation right from wrong?

 

[mjrhealth]

I don't think im judging, i just think im correcting, I'm just simply pointing out something that is wrong, is that judging? If it is, how are we supposed to teach the next generation right from wrong?

If someone called you a sinner would that not be judging you?? wheter it be true or not it is a statement that need to be confirmed.If you where to take that person to court to prove his statement, whose side would he be on, the defence or the prosecution. The prosecution would need a witness that witness would be the accuser, now who is our accuser and who is our defense, whose side do you want to stand on.
Remember what Jesus said,

Joh 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

How would you feel if they pointed to you and said there Lord they stand, they call themselves christians, they come and point fingers at us, they never come to us in love all they do is condemn us, all they can do is call us sinners. Are they not sinners too???

As you judge so shall you be judged.

As I said,you dont know the persons circumstance only God does, love them and you can open doors, condemn them and they will run from you and Jesus.

In all His Love

 

[tommie]

Life is not simple and when one feels he or she is a homosexual, then it is a tough road being a Christian since the bible says it is a sin. One can do a few things. Say God is not real, or say that God is real but just wrong in this area, or trust God and follow Him totally. You are the second one, I think. You are calling God a liar when you do this and you are making yourself God. You are saying that you know more than He does. You are saying, "I love you God but I don't want to follow you in this area because it is too hard. I don't want to go through hardships and struggle. I want what I want...." I have done this in different areas of my walk. For instance, in forgiveness... I did not want to forgive a person(s), even though God told me to forgive. I thought He was taking too long to dole out what I though was justice so I would do it myself by being unforgiving, mean and angry. I did not trust God to believe Him when He said in Romans 12 that I should never avenge myself for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord" And guess what, I was a bitter, angry, mean person by not believing that. It ruined my life. A few years ago, I gave it up to God and let Him be God. It has changed my life. I am so much happier and free. I am not called to be the judge, jury and executioner.. That is Gods job and He is just! He is slow to anger but He does get angry. Galatians 6:1 Says....Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on ourself, lest you too be tempted. Bear one another burdens, on so fulfill the law of Christ. That is what I am trying to do in love. Just because I tell you what God says about a sin doesn't mean I am judging or hating on you. Actually, it is the most unloving thing I could do is not tell you that you are doing wrong and just let you be in sin. He will be there for you if you let Him. Minute by minute He will be there with you. His way is best.

 

[Josho]

Life is not simple and when one feels he or she is a homosexual, then it is a tough road being a Christian since the bible says it is a sin. One can do a few things. Say God is not real, or say that God is real but just wrong in this area, or trust God and follow Him totally. You are the second one, I think. You are calling God a liar when you do this and you are making yourself God. You are saying that you know more than He does. You are saying, "I love you God but I don't want to follow you in this area because it is too hard. I don't want to go through hardships and struggle. I want what I want...." I have done this in different areas of my walk. For instance, in forgiveness... I did not want to forgive a person(s), even though God told me to forgive. I thought He was taking too long to dole out what I though was justice so I would do it myself by being unforgiving, mean and angry. I did not trust God to believe Him when He said in Romans 12 that I should never avenge myself for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord" And guess what, I was a bitter, angry, mean person by not believing that. It ruined my life. A few years ago, I gave it up to God and let Him be God. It has changed my life. I am so much happier and free. I am not called to be the judge, jury and executioner.. That is Gods job and He is just! He is slow to anger but He does get angry. Galatians 6:1 Says....Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on ourself, lest you too be tempted. Bear one another burdens, on so fulfill the law of Christ. That is what I am trying to do in love. Just because I tell you what God says about a sin doesn't mean I am judging or hating on you. Actually, it is the most unloving thing I could do is not tell you that you are doing wrong and just let you be in sin. He will be there for you if you let Him. Minute by minute He will be there with you. His way is best.

Well said i couldn't agree more, i am one who believes all scripture is God breathed, not everyone believes that though.

 

[tommie]

So happy, Josh!!!! God is so good to give you His faith!!! Thanks for being a light!

BTW Here is another scripture I wanted to show that talks about how Gods and judging. "I Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13But those who are outside, God judges." Hope that helps.

 

[Josho]

And in today's modern day and age (also used as an excuse for marriage equality), we gotta respect others, including the indigenous people of this land. By legalizing such things, it will be seen as disrespectful towards the Indigenous Australians, what do you think about that, do you know how easy it is to offend people these days? Good luck on that one. lol

 

[dadman]

The culture war indeed ...
those who hold certain things sacred are invaded by those who hold nothing sacred
When Man is the maker of the rules ...... anything goes

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[Barrd]

Ineresting, you are born blue, but its all your fault so you must repent of being born blue. ?? But then God could make a way out, He could turn the person green or He could just make being blue a sin no longer. There is nothing the person could do. Its nice being born perfect isnt it, life is just so simple.

In all His Love

Mj, no one is born blue. Well, unless you count babies who are having trouble breathing...that would not be a very good thing, would it?
However, we are all born into sin. And God did make a way out! He gave His only begotten son, so that you and I would not have to suffer for our sin! He did not make sin to not be a sin any longer. But there is something a person can do.
A person can repent. A person can, with God's help, strive to put the sin away from him or her. A person can place his or her faith in Jesus Christ.

No one was born perfect. Not me, and not you. I have repented of my sin...in fact, sometimes I have had to repent several times a day. But I do repent, and I do work to put my sin away from me...do you understand? I have trusted Jesus as my SAVIOUR.

 

[Barrd]

Luk 18:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Does that ansewr the question.

No, Mj, because what you are being told is that ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Every mother's child of us was born into sin...EVERY SINGLE ONE. No exceptions..
The one hollering "I was born that way!" is not the one who is humbling himself...it is the one crying "God, be merciful to me, a sinner" who goes down justified before God.
You have gotten it completely backwards...

 

[Josho]

mrjhealth

I was listening to a message this morning by Benny Hinn on my phone, he was talking bout the holy spirit, but.... he also mentioned how some Christians are afraid to offend others, they don't wanna hear or tell anyone about the wrath of God, they only wanna hear about the message God is love, God accepts all, sin all you want, all is forgiven. Now that is not the full gospel, and i believe that's the message you preach mrjhealth. Benny Hinn said the presence of the Holy Spirit leaves those kind of Christians.

If you read and listen to the Holy Spirit instead of the Bible, then i want to know what he has told you on homosexuality, because I'm sure it's quite the opposite to what you are preaching. I would like a reply to this. There was one time i really heard the voice, it was not a thought, i actually heard him speak through my ears, while i was awake lying in the bed and praying, the message was simple and short, the holy spirit said "I know." If you haven't asked him yet about how he views homosexuality, than why don't you ask him, after all the Holy Spirit knows everything about everyone's life, he knows the difference between right and wrong, he knows the difference between repentance and living in sin.

Ask the Holy Spirit what are his views on homosexuality and tell me his reply, i challenge you mrjhealth.

 

[dadman]

Believe me ... if Homosexuality was genetic and could be scientifically proven (as Life at Conception is) it would be broadcast 24/7/365 on ABS CBS MessNBC FOX BBC HLN ET ...
there would be bronze statues to the person who discovered the "gay" gene ...
and now the Bible can be proven wrong and any individual not embracing this new found truth should be placed in a "re-education" camp ..........
well it's not been found (maybe this is actually what CERN is all about) lol ..........
yes Homosexuality is a perverted sin and needs to be called what it is ...
not crammed down our throats 24/7/365 by the above mentioned medias and Comrade Obamah .......... Homosexuality and the Bible

 

[Barrd]

Believe me ... if Homosexuality was genetic and could be scientifically proven (as Life at Conception is) it would be broadcast 24/7/365 on ABS CBS MessNBC FOX BBC HLN ET ...
there would be bronze statues to the person who discovered the "gay" gene ...
and now the Bible can be proven wrong and any individual not embracing this new found truth should be placed in a "re-education" camp ..........
well it's not been found (maybe this is actually what CERN is all about) lol ..........
yes Homosexuality is a perverted sin and needs to be called what it is ...
not crammed down our throats 24/7/365 by the above mentioned medias and Comrade Obamah .......... Homosexuality and the Bible

The thing is, my friend, even if they could prove that they were "born that way"...all they will have proven is that they were "born into sin".
Just like the Bible says we all were.
Of course, you will notice, I am breathing normally....breath in, 1, 2, 3, 4....breath out, 1, 2, 3, 4...
IOW, I'm not holding my breath!