How Confidant Are You Being Saved?

[Wrangler]

This is a question I hate. Advocates say you should be 100% confidant but that doesn't seem humble to me.

How confidant are you? What does that say about your humility?

 

[bdavidc]

This is a question I hate. Advocates say you should be 100% confidant but that doesn't seem humble to me.

How confidant are you? What does that say about your humility?

Being fully confident of salvation is not a lack of humility when that confidence rests in Christ rather than in yourself.

John wrote, “These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life” ~1 John 5:13. Paul said, “I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him” ~2 Timothy 1:12.

Biblical humility does not doubt what God has plainly promised. It agrees with God. Christ said of His sheep, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

At the same time, assurance is not based on a past prayer, church membership, or a mere claim to believe. Scripture says, “Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith” ~2 Corinthians 13:5. Christ’s sheep hear His voice and follow Him ~John 10:27.

So my confidence is not, “I could never fail.” My confidence is, “Christ saves completely, keeps His own, and His work produces continuing faith.” Doubting yourself can be humility. Doubting God’s promise is not.

 

[ScottA]

Confidant--Yes--got a confidante in Jesus!

 

[marks]

This is a question I hate. Advocates say you should be 100% confidant but that doesn't seem humble to me.

How confidant are you? What does that say about your humility?

Do you not know that you know God? I don't have any question in my mind that I know my Creator. He has proven Himself to me time and again.

Personally I think this is the most important question you can ask anyone, including yourself. Do you know Him?

Much love!

 

[Wrangler]

Do you know Him?

Do you consider knowing God to be an equivalent expression? Scripture says even the Demons believe and know God.

Also, Scripture says to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. How do you reconcile that with having no doubt?

 

[NayborBear]

Do you not know that you know God? I don't have any question in my mind that I know my Creator. He has proven Himself to me time and again.

Personally I think this is the most important question you can ask anyone, including yourself. Do you know Him?

Much love!

Not only do I know "HE who breathed the breath of life into my nostrils and made me a "Living Soul?"
I know the Messiah! And He KNOWS me! AND? The MESSIAH'S Father AND GOD! And THEY KNOW me too!
And all these ONES' TOO! And (even) THEY know me!:


The Divine Names and Titles. - Appendix to the Companion Bible

Having said this however? I can FULLY attest; that AT TIMES? Kinda feels "touch and go!"
But, in the final analysis? Yeah! I'm fairly confident!
(think now I'll go change my vote....)

 

[marks]

Scripture says even the Demons believe and know God.

Quote that one please. Demons believe God is real, but they don't "believe in Him" as Christians do. Demons know God? Like His children do? I don't think so.

John 17:3 KJV
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Also, Scripture says to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. How do you reconcile that with having no doubt?

Do you see some conflict in this? Are you thinking God intends that you spend your live afraid that you are not really saved? If this is how you feel I suggest you get this straight with God. Maybe you don't truly know Him? I don't know, I can't say for you.

You can be afraid of not being saved, and you can be afraid of falling short of His intentions for you.

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

There is nothing wrong with certainty. I know that I'm married to my wife, and I know I'm regenerated in Christ.

If you are not certain, I suggest you make certain before it's too late.

Much love!

 

[NayborBear]

Quote that one please. Demons believe God is real, but they don't "believe in Him" as Christians do. Demons know God? Like His children do? I don't think so.

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

 

[Wrangler]

Quote that one please.

Mark, I’m disappointed you don’t know the verse or are playing me. See James 2:19.

 

[Wrangler]

Do you see some conflict in this?

Not really an answer to my question.

 

[marks]

Mark, I’m disappointed you don’t know the verse or are playing me. See James 2:19.

Disappointed, are you? Hmm.

Of course this is the verse you were thinking of, Obviously, except it doesn't say what you claim. So you can save your disappointment for yourself.

I asked you to quote it with the hope that you would just see for yourself when you went to the passage. I figured maybe you had forgotten what it said. Now it more seems like you were misusing it in your refutation to me.

See for yourself:

James 2:19 KJV
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

The devils believe there is one God.

Do you really read this and interpret it to mean that demons believe in God the way a Christian does? That demons have relationship with God like a Christian does? That's absurd. They know God is real. They don't know God like His children do.

Why do you fight against having confidence in the salvation that comes from God?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Not really an answer to my question.

You can be afraid of not being saved, and you can be afraid of falling short of His intentions for you.

This answers your question.

You read it, apparently, to mean you should be afraid you aren't or won't be saved. I read it to mean you should be afraid of falling short of your calling.

Ephesians 4:1 KJV
I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

Much love!

 

[NayborBear]

That demons have relationship with God like a Christian does? That's absurd. They know God is real. They don't know God like His children do.

.........Excuse me if I've kinda "injected" myself into y'alls "tit fer tattin'" here. But feel like I must address this.
No. Demons don't have a relationship with God the way a (ahem) christian SHOULD OUGHT have with God.
Yes. Demons oh SO know God IS real!
I would beg to differ inasmuch that demons KNOW God BETTER than His children do! Because they at least "tremble!" Because they KNOW His power AND "Authority!"
Where as His "children" go on about doing what they can in putting Him in a box!

 

[marks]

.........Excuse me if I've kinda "injected" myself into y'alls "tit fer tattin'" here. But feel like I must address this.
No. Demons don't have a relationship with God the way a (ahem) christian SHOULD OUGHT have with God.
Yes. Demons oh SO know God IS real!
I would beg to differ inasmuch that demons KNOW God BETTER than His children do! Because they at least "tremble!" Because they KNOW His power AND "Authority!"
Where as His "children" go on about doing what they can in putting Him in a box!

Speaking for yourself?

Much love!

 

[Gray_Joy]

This is a question I hate. Advocates say you should be 100% confidant but that doesn't seem humble to me.

How confidant are you? What does that say about your humility?

I'm 100% confident.

It is so because the king of Heaven humbled himself to be born as a human Jewish male on Earth first. He preached his Good News,and then died to finish the old covenant on the cross and give eternal life to the new.
I am blessed and humbled by the fact he felt me worthy to call to himself.

So that I may have faith in him and rest in his assurance I am indwelt by his spirit and eternally sealed by his promise as a new reborn creation in him.

Thank you Jesus. Hallelujah!

 

[MatthewG]

Also @Wrangler,

From Co-pilot;

The line you’re quoting — “even the demons believe and tremble” — comes from James 2:19. It’s one of the sharpest, most confrontational statements in the whole New Testament, and it’s easy to misunderstand if you only hear it in isolation.

Here’s the core idea in one sentence:

James is saying that merely believing God exists — intellectually — isn’t the same thing as trusting Him, loving Him, or following Him. Even demons have that level of belief, and it does them no good.

What James is actually addressing​

James is pushing back against a certain kind of “belief” that is nothing more than mental agreement. In his day, some people were saying:

• “I believe in God, so I’m good.”
• “I have the right doctrine, so I’m safe.”
• “I said the right words, so I’m fine.”

James basically says: That’s not faith. That’s just information.

Demons also:

• believe God exists
• know Jesus is Lord
• know the Scriptures
• know judgment is real
• know God’s power

…and they tremble because they know what that means for them. But none of that produces love, abiding in Christ or transformation.

So James is drawing a line between:

• Dead belief — facts with no trust
• Living faith — trust that produces movement, loyalty, and change

Why this matters​

James isn’t saying “you need to work to earn salvation.” He’s saying:

Real faith always produces something. Fake faith produces nothing.

A tree that’s alive bears fruit. A tree that’s dead doesn’t.

He’s not attacking people who struggle. He’s attacking people who claim faith but have no intention of walking with God at all.

How this fits with your view of fear‑based religion​

You’ve said before that a lot of people were manipulated by fear, guilt, and control. James is actually doing the opposite of that. He’s not trying to scare people into obedience. He’s trying to expose the emptiness of a faith that is only words.

He’s saying:

• Faith is not fear
• Faith is not pressure
• Faith is not mental agreement
• Faith is not religious performance

Faith is trusting God enough to move toward Him.

The real punchline​

James is basically saying:

“If your ‘faith’ looks like a demon’s belief — knowing the facts but having no relationship — then it isn’t faith.”

That’s the whole point.

 

[Wrangler]

I'm 100% confident.

I’m 100% confident God can save who he wants. Am not going to claim I know who is going to be saved, including me.

 

[Wrangler]

He’s saying:

• Faith is not fear

What about the beginning of wisdom is fear of the LORD?

 

[MatthewG]

What about the beginning of wisdom is fear of the LORD?

Hello Wrangler,

From Co-pilot, I have had this explained without co-pilots help before. A man taught it that fear is "awe-ness of God" not a fear of like a Tyrant.

The fear of the LORD being “the beginning of wisdom” isn’t talking about terror or panic — it’s talking about a heart that recognizes who God is, who we are, and that He alone sees the truth of every person. And that ties directly into what you just said: it is God who judges the heart.

Here’s the core Scripture:

Proverbs 9:10 — “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.”

This “fear” means:

• Reverence
• Humility
• Awareness of God’s holiness
• Recognition that God sees motives, not just actions

It’s the opposite of arrogance. It’s the opposite of pretending we can judge someone’s standing with God. It’s the posture that says, “Lord, You see what I can’t.”

And Scripture makes that exact point:

1 Samuel 16:7 — “Man looks on the outward appearance, but the LORD looks on the heart.”

So when Proverbs says wisdom begins with fearing the LORD, it means:

• Wisdom starts when you stop trusting your own assumptions
• Wisdom starts when you stop judging by appearances
• Wisdom starts when you acknowledge that God alone knows the heart
• Wisdom starts when you submit your understanding to His

This is why the first-century believers who were afraid to confess Christ publicly weren’t ours to judge. God knew their hearts. God knew their motives. God knew their fears. And God dealt with them according to His wisdom, not ours.

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom because wisdom begins when we stop pretending we can see what only God sees.

 

[Wrangler]

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom because wisdom begins when we stop pretending we can see what only God sees.

I’m glad you got wind of this thread and made thoughtful posts.