How Confidant Are You Being Saved?

[JustMe]

This is a question I hate. Advocates say you should be 100% confidant but that doesn't seem humble to me.

How confidant are you? What does that say about your humility?

Having to ask this question you also hate means you might not be saved. And your own confidence or humility level towards this subject of salvation means nothing when operating from a carnal unregenerated mind and heart. This subject is all about a new heart for a new human being now subjected to a new atitiude, humility and confidence and hope for the future, that one never had before this transformation occurred; of being saved.

 

[Wrangler]

Having to ask this question you also hate means you might not be saved.

How very passive aggressive of you. I've come to the conclusion the question comes from the Adversary. In reading James 4:11-12 and Philippians 2:12, do you get the impression we should judge ourselves at all, let alone judge ourselves with certainty of our ultimate fate?

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Psalm 103:1-21​

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1 Bless the Lord, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name.​

2 Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:​

3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;​

4 Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies;​

5 Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's.​

6 The Lord executeth righteousness and judgment for all that are oppressed.​

7 He made known his ways unto Moses, his acts unto the children of Israel.​

8 The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.​

9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever.​

10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.​

11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.​

12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.​

13 Like as a father pitieth his children, so the Lord pitieth them that fear him.​

14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.​

15 As for man, his days are as grass: as a flower of the field, so he flourisheth.​

16 For the wind passeth over it, and it is gone; and the place thereof shall know it no more.​

17 But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;​

18 To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.​

19 The Lord hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all.​

20 Bless the Lord, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.​

21 Bless ye the Lord, all ye his hosts; ye ministers of his, that do his pleasure.​

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Love, Walter and Debbie​

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Love always, Fr. Walter & Debbie, La./Wa. A phrase of our Lord Jesus Christ/ Matt. 6:33.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

To anyone who poses such a question, I ask them, are these things you want to do?? If you don't want to do them, what is your point?

They hypothesize some person who being regenerate isn't changed, a straw man at best, a contradiction at it's heart. A manipulative ploy to sidetrack a discussion, is how I see it.

Much love!

To me it points to self.. I do not Murder. I do not Commit Adultry. I do not (insert whatever sin).. In my earlier years they would say I do not drink cuss or smoke.. Those that do can not be saved..

I always ask thats great. What sin do you struggle with. What makes you think you are better in Gods eyes than them that smoke drink and cuss..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And just how does humility equate to not trusting God? To me it seems artificial at best.

Much love!

Oh yes.

I am holier than you.. So God loves me more..

I I I.. always pointing to self

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I choose to avoid bad deeds and do good deeds. And I ask for forgiveness for my bad deeds

This is great. And applaudible

Unfortunately. doing this will not have any part of where you will end up for eternity.

its the mindset that says it will. that points to self. and takes away from Gods work.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Here's the line that I draw; I am certain God can save me. While I believe I am saved, humility prevents me from claiming I am certain of my individual fate.

But this is not humility. It is Pride.. It says God is unable to save you completely. You must in the end. Save yourself

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, as long as we recognize that real faith is not merely lip service. In today’s devotional reading

1 John 1:6-9

So we are lying if we say we have fellowship with God but go on living in spiritual darkness; we are not practicing the truth. 7 But if we are living in the light, as God is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth. 9 But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness.

The theologians who vote certainty deny the conditional nature of the way, deny the meaning of if we act a certain way implies consequences if we don’t.

once again, Pride has kept you from seeing the truth.

God does not save people who does not have real faith

I think he knows who does and who does not. He looks at the heart. Not to the lips.

Again, when will you trust God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I agree that if we claim to be Christians, but there is absolutely no difference in our lives, our claim is spurious. As Pau wrote t the Ephesians, sinners who are saved are saved for good works:

(Eph 2:8 NKJV) For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
(Eph 2:9) not of works, lest anyone should boast.
(Eph 2:10) For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

But Paul also makes it clear. they are not saved by those works. Lest anyone should boast (take credit for saving themselves)

 

[Wrangler]

But this is not humility. It is Pride.. It says God is unable to save you completely. You must in the end. Save yourself

You still don’t get it. I’m not saying anything like God is not able to save whoever he wants. I’m saying humility prevents me from claiming I know with certainty who he’s going to save.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You still don’t get it. I’m not saying anything like God is not able to save whoever he wants. I’m saying humility prevents me from claiming I know with certainty who he’s going to save.

We are talking about self. Not everyone else.

Your right. I can not know with confidence who God will save and who he will not

But I can know if I am saved or not. Because its not based on me. its based on Gods promise

The only way I could not be confident God will save me, is if I still have to do something to save myself.

 

[Armour of God]

This is great. And applaudible

Unfortunately. doing this will not have any part of where you will end up for eternity.

its the mindset that says it will. that points to self. and takes away from Gods work.

So your saying that one can live a life of unrepentant bad deeds and still be saved?

 

[Wrangler]

I can not know with confidence who God will save and who he will not

But I can know if I am saved or not.

You don't recognize the contradiction.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So your saying that one can live a life of unrepentant bad deeds and still be saved?

No I never said that

And the apostle John says a child of God can not live in sin. so why would you ask such a question?

Do you not have faith that God has changed those who saved. that they are new creatures. born of incoruptable seed. that they are no longer dogs, but they are sheep?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You don't recognize the contradiction.

Nope

Because I do not know your heart or anyone elses.

But I know where I have placed my faith.. And I know what God has promised. and I know God can keep me from falling.

Why do you not base your faith on the hope of all the promises God has promised those who trust him?

If you did. you would be secure. and you would have entered his rest..

 

[Armour of God]

No I never said that

And the apostle John says a child of God can not live in sin. so why would you ask such a question?

Do you not have faith that God has changed those who saved. that they are new creatures. born of incoruptable seed. that they are no longer dogs, but they are sheep?

First you said it doesn't matter if I live a life of unrepentant sin, that it will not determine my salvation. Now your saying I cannot sin.
Make up your mind, your in contradiction. Can I sin or not? Should I repent or not?

Will we not be judged on our actions as the bible says?

 

[The Barbarian]

@Wrangler
It may be the closest church we've seen but we still had some issues with some of the practices and beliefs after much research.

We decided to give up trying to find a church and decided to simply be the church at our home. We've invited others to join us too. So far, no regular attendees but we know we're the church as a husband and wife with little ones. We worship the Lord in Spirit and in Truth every day.

This is how it was at the beginning of Christianity. Can't be a bad thing.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

First you said it doesn't matter if I live a life of unrepentant sin,

please share the post where I made such a preposterous statment?

that it will not determine my salvation. Now your saying I cannot sin.

No. I said you can not LIVE IN SIN.. do you understand how to read what a person writes?

No I never said that

And the apostle John says a child of God can not live in sin. so why would you ask such a question?

Do you not have faith that God has changed those who saved. that they are new creatures. born of incoruptable seed. that they are no longer dogs, but they are sheep?

Make up your mind, your in contradiction. Can I sin or not? Should I repent or not?

Will we not be judged on our actions as the bible says?

I made up my mind

When you can show where I made the statement you accused me of. And show where I said a child of God can never sin.. then maybe we can move on. until then you show you do not even understand what I am saying, so we have no base to move on

 

[Armour of God]

No. I said you can not LIVE IN SIN.. do you understand how to read what a person writes?

First you said something like it doesn't matter if I live a life free of sin., that won't save me.

Now your saying I was right the first time
I choose to do good deeds and repent for my bad deeds. Or, I choose not to live in sin, like you said

Your contradicting yourself

I ask again.
Will we not be judged on our deeds?
Since you didn't answer I will
Yes, as scripture tells us repeatedly that we will be judged on our actions

Or if I have great faith but live a life of unrepentant sin, will I be saved?
Clue. James 2:26

 

[Eternally Grateful]

First you said something like it doesn't matter if I live a life free of sin.

I have never said this my friend.

Again, if your going to accuse. please show the post.

Now your saying I was right the first time then.
I choose to do good deeds and repent for my bad deeds. Or, I choose not to live in sin, like you said

A child of God can not live in sin. even if they chose to (which they would never do)

I ask again.
Will we not be judged on our deeds?
Yes, as scripture tells us repeatedly

Yes, a child of God will be judged for their deeds.. and be rewarded or suffer loss

A non child of God will be judged and left wanting..

Or if I have great faith but live a life of unrepentant sin, will I be saved?
Clue. James 2:26

lol.. Please show me where I said what you said.. Until then we can not move foreward. becuse you have not shown you understand what I am saying