Yeah, you just want to argue, and really only use (abuse) God's Word to suit your own aims.
How Do You Know You Have The Holy Spirit??
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Nancy
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Are you trying to take out your Biblical illiteracy on me? When is Jesus' coming per His Word?
Nancy
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Maybe I am not as well read as many on here but, I DO know where my salvation comes from.
What does your question have to do with the OP?
Yeah, he's just looking for an argument, because the "born again" example is about a SPECIFIC TOPIC that Jesus was teaching in John 3, and NOT in all those other verses he quoted. So I'll say it again...
John 3:5-7
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
KJV
The above in red with "again" is Greek anothen, which means...
NT:509
anothen (an'-o-then); from NT:507; from above; by analogy, from the first; by implication, anew:
KJV - from above, again, from the beginning (very first), the top.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
Christ's idea with Greek anothen (from above) is about being born of The Spirit, like He showed in verse 6 above. Is that the same idea as being 'born of God'? Yeah, but here in John 3 more specifically, showing us Who and How we must be born from above in order to enter into the Kingdom of God.
Nancy
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I do not believe that he is looking for an argument...i'd have to go back and read all of your replies to him and, just don't have the time right not. Watching thread. Amadeus is an honorable man, in my book.
OneIsTheWord
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a response to 1 Corinthians 5:
This is the third time I am coming to you. At the mouth of two witnesses or three shall every word established.
I have said beforehand, and I do say beforehand, as when I was present the second time, so now, being absent, to them that have sinned heretofore, and to all the rest, that, if I come again, I will not spare; seeing that ye seek a proof of Christ that speaketh in me; who to you-ward is not weak, but is powerful in you:
2 Cor 13:1-3 (ASV)
At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is to die be put to death; at the mouth of one witness, he shall not be put to death.
The hand of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. So thou shalt put away the evil from the midst of thee.
Deut 17:6-7 (ASV)
That only confirms what I said about Apostle Paul not having a problem offering 'rebuke' to the sinners in the Church. And it does not change a thing with Paul's decision of 1 Corinthians 5 to cast out that sinner in the congregation that was having sexual intercourse with his own mother, which also is against God's laws.
OneIsTheWord
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the word says that in a congregation, of three elders, eternal matters that are within, the one that committed, the sin
The whole congregation
These three witnesses
and divisive man:
Leviticus 4:13
There are two laws, but the second law is the one to worry about, the first law is human adultery, second law, is human idolatry.
Eternal matters in the congregation, human adultery, (a scenario) a bother is well known, he is part the congregation, or this case a pastor or an elder of the Church.
This person is called a divisive man, transgressive in the local Church, or human adultery
Note: 3:15 admonish him as a brother: The disobedient one is not an enemy, but one who needs correction. Even though the rebellion was to be dealt with, Paul demonstrates his tremendous compassion for fellow believers. He hated the sin but not the sinner.
In 2 Thess 3:15 ' Yet do not count him as an enemy but admonish him as a brother.
Psalms 81:8-10 (NKJV) "Hear, O My people, and I will admonish you! O Israel if you will listen to Me! There shall be no foreign god among you; Nor shall you worship any foreign god.
I am the Lord your God, Who brought you out of the land of Egypt; Open your mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Psalms 50:7 "Hear, O My people, and I will speak O Israel, and I will testify against you; I am God, your God!
Titus 3:9-11 But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.
Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition,
knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.
Titus 3:10-11 Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition,
knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.
Note: Titus 3:9–11 Paul was admonishing Titus to avoid anything that would promote wickedness among the believers.
Reject a divisive man: Titus was to cut off the church’s relationship with any person who would not submit to correction after two warnings (see 2 Thess. 3:14, 15). The Greek word for warped here suggests that Satan is perverting this person. Sinning indicates that man will not change his ways and thus continues to rebel against God.
2 Thess 3:13-16 But as for you, brethren, do not grow weary in doing good.
And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed.
Yet do not count him as an enemy but admonish him as a brother.
Now may the Lord of peace Himself give you peace always in every way? The Lord is with you all.
2 Thess 3:6-15 But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us.
For you yourselves know how you ought to follow us, for we were not disorderly among you;
nor did we eat anyone's bread free of charge, but worked with labor and toil night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you, not because we do not have authority, but to make ourselves an example of how you should follow us.
For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.
For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies.
Now those who are such we command and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ that they work in quietness and eat their own bread.
But as for you, brethren, do not grow weary in doing good.
And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed.
Yet do not count him as an enemy but admonish him as a brother.
The first law of human adultery
Lev 18:7-8 (NKJV)
The nakedness of your father or the nakedness of your mother you shall not uncover.
She is your mother; you shall not uncover her nakedness.
The nakedness of your father's wife you shall not uncover; it is your father's nakedness.
Matt 18:17-20 (NKJV) And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them."
2 Thessalonians 3:15 (KJV) Yet count him not as an enemy but admonish him as a brother.
2 Thessalonians 3:14 (KJV) And if any man obeys not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. (in front of Christ)
Heb 4: 16 Let us, therefore, come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Heb 4:15-16 (KJV)For we have not a high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Matt 18:16 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Matt 18:15-16 (NKJV) “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go, and tell him about his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.
Matt 18:16 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.'
Deuteronomy 19:15 (KJV) One witness (man), shall not revolt against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinned: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. (Eternal matters)
incest within the family
Leviticus 18: 6 - 7
Verse 15 A divisive man:
Matthews Verse 15. Moreover, if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone:
if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother, &c. -- Probably our Lord had reference still to the late dispute, Who should be the greatest? After the rebuke -- so gentle and captivating, yet so dignified and divine -- under which they would doubtless be smarting, perhaps each would be saying, It was not I that began it, it was not I that threw out unworthy and irritating insinuations against my brethren. Be it so, says our Lord; but as such things will often arise, I will direct you on how to proceed.
First, Neither harbor a grudge against your offending brother, nor break forth upon him in the presence of the unbelieving; but take him aside, show him his fault, and if he owns and makes reparation for it, you have done more service to him than even justice to yourself.
Next, If this fails, take two or three to witness how just your complaint is, and how brotherly your spirit is in dealing with him.
Again, If this fails, bring him before the Church or congregation to which both belong.
Lastly, If even this fails, regard him as no longer a brother Christian, but as one "without" -- as the Jews did Gentiles and publicans.
Matt 18:17-20 (NKJV) And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Hebrews 13:8
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:28 (KJV)
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Sounds like you are TRYING... to judge Apostle Paul for His decision in Christ Jesus. That won't work.
1 Cor 5
5 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
KJV
Today's Christian Church actually NEEDS MORE DECISIVE JUDGMENTS LIKE APOSTLE PAUL'S AGAINST WICKED INDIVIDUALS TRYING TO HIDE IN THE CHURCH.
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