How is it that you come by your information?

[ScottA]

>>>>>"All of them.
Which verses from Paul specifically teach how a believer today is saved & sealed ?
Easy question for you Scotty, list them

No. Paul was at the beginning of the times of the gentiles, I am at the finish. Satan would love it-- perhaps you too--if we all went back 2,000 years to the beginning, and if I didn't fulfill what I was sent to do, but give him a little more time.

 

[Wick Stick]

In other words, instead of prefacing statements made as "I believe", "I think", or "it would seem to me", many often state their own opinions according to their own understanding inappropriately as fact.

If you're qualifying it as "I think" or "seems to me" then you're not saying it's a fact. That seems fine... to me.

 

[ScottA]

If you're qualifying it as "I think" or "seems to me" then you're not saying it's a fact. That seems fine... to me.

No, that's not what I said, you might read it again.

The point is, many DO NOT qualify what they say, but state opinions and what they think, believe, or what is merely there own private interpretation as fact.

 

[rvmb]

No. Paul was at the beginning of the times of the gentiles, I am at the finish. Satan would love it-- perhaps you too--if we all went back 2,000 years to the beginning, and if I didn't fulfill what I was sent to do, but give him a little more time.

Let me help Scotty boy :)
Question you can't answer :-
Which verses from Paul specifically teach how a believer today is saved & sealed ?
Answer :- 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13, now you know

 

[ScottA]

Let me help Scotty boy :)
Question you can't answer :-
Which verses from Paul specifically teach how a believer today is saved & sealed ?
Answer :- 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13, now you know

Other than showing your condescending character, what is your point--is that your answer to the thread's Title question? If so, why all the hoopla and making your own question so important?

 

[Jay Ross]

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In Gen 12:3 can you rewrite this verse as to how people will be blessed by Israel and what the requirement will be?

 

[ScottA]

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No, you turning the thread for your own purpose with quiz questions, without offering a reason, and being a jerk about, has not shown anything but your childlike response.

Now--make a point about the thread topic, stop disrupting the topic...or be reported.

 

[ScottA]

In Gen 12:3 can you rewrite this verse as to how people will be blessed by Israel and what the requirement will be?

rvmb has hooked you in. He deserves getting your question, but the thread was not intended for Bible trivia as he has tried to turn it into.

 

[Jay Ross]

rvmb has hooked you in. He deserves getting your question, but the thread was not intended for Bible trivia as he has tried to turn it into.

@rvmb is like many Americans yet he is the Australian version, a know all of everything that he knows, yet he misses much understanding.

 

[bdavidc]

Do you make claims of what is biblically true, by your own understanding of the scriptures?

Jesus said, speaking to Peter "flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven...on this rock I will build My church."​

Unfortunately, that qualification is violated here regularly. In other words, instead of prefacing statements made as "I believe", "I think", or "it would seem to me", many often state their own opinions according to their own understanding inappropriately as fact.

To be clear, if you do not come by your information directly from our Father in heaven--it is of no actual authority within the church. You can make all the claims you want--not that you should ever do so, because you should not. But if they are not directly from God, the are not to be considered edifying in the building of the church--and are thus void. If claims are made as if directly from God when they are not from God, but are opinion, personal interpretation, or conjecture--you are impersonating God, as if you are God--and will be held accountable, by God.

Quotes of scripture are a different matter. However, if they are quoted to support your own interpretation--they too are not authoritative, edifying, and void. Such things should never be taught as the truth from God. If you are not sure what is allowed by God, put yourself in Peter's shoes--and ask yourself if Jesus would say the same about what you claim. If not...then it's not okay--it's anti-Christ.

I understand the concern you’re raising, but what you’re describing is not how Scripture itself tells us truth is known or taught.

Jesus did say to Peter, “flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven” ~Matthew 16:17. But notice what was revealed. It was truth about who Christ is, not a system where only direct, private revelation gives someone authority to speak.

Because if that were the standard, then none of us could speak at all today.

Scripture tells us exactly where authority comes from: “All scripture is given by inspiration of God… that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works” ~2 Timothy 3:16-17. That means Scripture itself is sufficient to teach, correct, and establish truth.

We are not told to wait for new revelation. We are told to handle what has already been revealed. “Study to shew thyself approved unto God… rightly dividing the word of truth” ~2 Timothy 2:15.

The Bereans were called noble not because they received fresh revelation, but because “they searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so” ~Acts 17:11. They tested teaching by Scripture, not by whether someone claimed it came directly from God.

So when someone says, “If it is not directly from God, it has no authority,” that sounds spiritual, but it actually removes the very authority God has already given, His written Word.

And this is important. Scripture never tells believers to speak only in “I think” or “I feel.” It tells us to speak what is written. “If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God” ~1 Peter 4:11. That does not mean claiming new revelation. It means speaking in line with what God has already said.

Now you mentioned that quoting Scripture to support an interpretation is not authoritative. But that is exactly how Scripture teaches us to handle truth. Jesus answered Satan by saying, “It is written” ~Matthew 4:4. He didn’t say, “My Father told me something new just now.” He pointed to what was already written and applied it correctly.

The apostles did the same. Paul said, “not to think… above that which is written” ~1 Corinthians 4:6. That sets the boundary. We do not go beyond Scripture, but we are absolutely expected to understand and apply what it says.

Here’s where the real issue comes in. There is a difference between human opinion and faithful interpretation. Opinion adds to Scripture. Faithful interpretation draws out what is already there. Scripture warns against twisting the Word ~2 Peter 3:16, but it never forbids understanding it.

If what you’re saying were true, then every teacher, every pastor, every believer would have to remain silent unless they could claim direct revelation from God. But Scripture says the opposite. It commands teaching, exhorting, correcting, all grounded in the written Word.

So the standard is not, “Did this come directly to me from heaven?” The standard is, “Does this align with what God has already revealed in Scripture?”

Anything beyond Scripture is not authority. But what is drawn from Scripture, in context, comparing Scripture with Scripture, that is exactly how God builds His church.

“Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth” ~John 17:17.

That’s the line. Not private revelation. Not personal feeling. The Word of God.

 

[rvmb]

No, you turning the thread for your own purpose with quiz questions, without offering a reason, and being a jerk about, has not shown anything but your childlike response.

Now--make a point about the thread topic, stop disrupting the topic...or be reported.

and the verses that clearly teach how Scotty is saved & is sealed are ?
No rush, take your time

 

[ScottA]

I understand the concern you’re raising, but what you’re describing is not how Scripture itself tells us truth is known or taught.

Jesus did say to Peter, “flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven” ~Matthew 16:17. But notice what was revealed. It was truth about who Christ is, not a system where only direct, private revelation gives someone authority to speak.

Because if that were the standard, then none of us could speak at all today.

Scripture tells us exactly where authority comes from: “All scripture is given by inspiration of God… that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works” ~2 Timothy 3:16-17. That means Scripture itself is sufficient to teach, correct, and establish truth.

We are not told to wait for new revelation. We are told to handle what has already been revealed. “Study to shew thyself approved unto God… rightly dividing the word of truth” ~2 Timothy 2:15.

The Bereans were called noble not because they received fresh revelation, but because “they searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so” ~Acts 17:11. They tested teaching by Scripture, not by whether someone claimed it came directly from God.

So when someone says, “If it is not directly from God, it has no authority,” that sounds spiritual, but it actually removes the very authority God has already given, His written Word.

And this is important. Scripture never tells believers to speak only in “I think” or “I feel.” It tells us to speak what is written. “If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God” ~1 Peter 4:11. That does not mean claiming new revelation. It means speaking in line with what God has already said.

Now you mentioned that quoting Scripture to support an interpretation is not authoritative. But that is exactly how Scripture teaches us to handle truth. Jesus answered Satan by saying, “It is written” ~Matthew 4:4. He didn’t say, “My Father told me something new just now.” He pointed to what was already written and applied it correctly.

The apostles did the same. Paul said, “not to think… above that which is written” ~1 Corinthians 4:6. That sets the boundary. We do not go beyond Scripture, but we are absolutely expected to understand and apply what it says.

Here’s where the real issue comes in. There is a difference between human opinion and faithful interpretation. Opinion adds to Scripture. Faithful interpretation draws out what is already there. Scripture warns against twisting the Word ~2 Peter 3:16, but it never forbids understanding it.

If what you’re saying were true, then every teacher, every pastor, every believer would have to remain silent unless they could claim direct revelation from God. But Scripture says the opposite. It commands teaching, exhorting, correcting, all grounded in the written Word.

So the standard is not, “Did this come directly to me from heaven?” The standard is, “Does this align with what God has already revealed in Scripture?”

Anything beyond Scripture is not authority. But what is drawn from Scripture, in context, comparing Scripture with Scripture, that is exactly how God builds His church.

“Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth” ~John 17:17.

That’s the line. Not private revelation. Not personal feeling. The Word of God.

First--I am not advocating for private interpretation--just the opposite.

But your post is full of errors.

What you said about "every teacher...pastor" etc...being "silent" is from the scriptures--but just the opposite--and you apparently are unaware and didn't make the connection. And, no the scriptures do not turn all back to the scriptures as a limit in a big loop, they point to the Spirit and plainly say the words are spirit, turning spirit back to spirit (as God is spirit)--making what is written merely foundational, evenelementary. This lesson should be clear to everyone who has read of Jesus scolding those who made the law and the prophets the limit, not entering in and hindering those who were. And your statements not unlike their error. You make what is written God instead of Him who inspired the word--who has not stop being "the same yesterday, today, and forever" until the "finish" of those things that were sealed is fulfilled.

I could say more, but I am traveling over the holidays, so that is it for now.

 

[rvmb]

rvmb has hooked you in. He deserves getting your question, but the thread was not intended for Bible trivia as he has tried to turn it into.

>>>>>>""but the thread was not intended for Bible trivia""​

This thread is >>>> How is it that you come by your information?​

When it comes to getting information about how to be saved I get it from the Bible, that's "How is it that you come by your information?"
I don't use this Christian Forum as a way to advertise products I sell for profit.

 

[ScottA]

>>>>>>""but the thread was not intended for Bible trivia""​

This thread is >>>> How is it that you come by your information?​

When it comes to getting information about how to be saved I get it from the Bible, that's "How is it that you come by your information?"
I don't use this Christian Forum as a way to advertise products I sell for profit.

Good, now we know that you have chosen your own understanding of what is written over He who inspired it, who is spirit and not subject to misinterpretation. Thanks for weighing in!

Anyone else?

Next!

 

[rvmb]

Good, now we know that you have chosen your own understanding of what is written over He who inspired it, who is spirit and not subject to misinterpretation. Thanks for weighing in!

Anyone else?

Next!

and how to be saved today is taught EXCLUSIVELY by Paul as chosen by Christ - Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13: Rom 15:16
Paul's role was confirmed by the 12 Apostles - Gal 2:7-9, Acts 15:6-25
The ONLY saving Gospel for today was taught by Christ to ONLY Paul - Gal 1:11-12, Gal 2:6
That saving gospel is 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13.
and applies to EVERY believer 'today' Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11, Gal 6:15 - NO EXCEPTIONS
The ONLY Judgment for those SAVED by that Gospel occurs at 2 Cor 5:6-10, Rom 14:10, 1 Cor 3:101-5.
A fool teaches otherwise and is accursed Gal 3:1-4, Gal 1:6-9

""How is it that you come by your information?""​

All that info is FROM ONLY the Bible and not the foolishness of man

 

[JustMe]

Do you make claims of what is biblically true, by your own understanding of the scriptures?

Jesus said, speaking to Peter "flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven...on this rock I will build My church."​

Unfortunately, that qualification is violated here regularly. In other words, instead of prefacing statements made as "I believe", "I think", or "it would seem to me", many often state their own opinions according to their own understanding inappropriately as fact.

To be clear, if you do not come by your information directly from our Father in heaven--it is of no actual authority within the church. You can make all the claims you want--not that you should ever do so, because you should not. But if they are not directly from God, the are not to be considered edifying in the building of the church--and are thus void. If claims are made as if directly from God when they are not from God, but are opinion, personal interpretation, or conjecture--you are impersonating God, as if you are God--and will be held accountable, by God.

Quotes of scripture are a different matter. However, if they are quoted to support your own interpretation--they too are not authoritative, edifying, and void. Such things should never be taught as the truth from God. If you are not sure what is allowed by God, put yourself in Peter's shoes--and ask yourself if Jesus would say the same about what you claim. If not...then it's not okay--it's anti-Christ.

This topic and discussion focus on discerning whether someone is truly in God and His Son, genuinely in spirit or not. It is intended solely for genuine Christians.

Those who are genuinely filled with God's spirit through His Son's spirit will recognize many moments when God's holy nature and presence have touched their hearts and thoughts in every part of their lives. The Spirit of God is not limited to scripture alone. The Father and Son are already united, and as a true believer grows toward this perfected state within themselves, in the Kingdom today, they become one with them. In a state of full spirit and mind, their voice sometimes aligns with the voice of their Lord and God, in harmony. This is the ideal we should strive for when discussing scripture with one another.

A true Christian naturally develops a scriptural perspective, a response from Yeshua's spirit within, especially when they are fully in spirit. However, they may occasionally stray temporarily, where their voice reverts to their own, and their understanding of scripture becomes their personal opinion rather than God's truth. This is why it is crucial to prepare spiritually before engaging with scripture.

Moreover, trying to explain how one should approach scripture in a Godly way, with true understanding, may be futile. Many in the audience might be professing Christians who lack the spiritual credentials, or the maturity necessary to fully grasp your message. They cannot truly comprehend what you are saying because they still have an unregenerated heart and think and speak in a common, carnal human manner.

Regarding understanding scripture, one must also be aware of and overcome the many errors that have been inserted, whether intentionally or not. The Spirit of God will reveal these errors to His children in His own time. Meanwhile, the unregenerated remain in strong defiance and ignorance, accepting many of these falsehoods as truth.

During this time, especially prominent in the West of 'Easter day,' has the Spirit of God touched a few human souls to let them know not to trust or celebrate this constantly 'moving' annual celebratory day, the first Sunday after the first full moon that occurs on or after the ecclesiastical spring equinox, which is fixed at March 21?

 

[ScottA]

This topic and discussion focus on discerning whether someone is truly in God and His Son, genuinely in spirit or not. It is intended solely for genuine Christians.

Those who are genuinely filled with God's spirit through His Son's spirit will recognize many moments when God's holy nature and presence have touched their hearts and thoughts in every part of their lives. The Spirit of God is not limited to scripture alone. The Father and Son are already united, and as a true believer grows toward this perfected state within themselves, in the Kingdom today, they become one with them. In a state of full spirit and mind, their voice sometimes aligns with the voice of their Lord and God, in harmony. This is the ideal we should strive for when discussing scripture with one another.

A true Christian naturally develops a scriptural perspective, a response from Yeshua's spirit within, especially when they are fully in spirit. However, they may occasionally stray temporarily, where their voice reverts to their own, and their understanding of scripture becomes their personal opinion rather than God's truth. This is why it is crucial to prepare spiritually before engaging with scripture.

Moreover, trying to explain how one should approach scripture in a Godly way, with true understanding, may be futile. Many in the audience might be professing Christians who lack the spiritual credentials, or the maturity necessary to fully grasp your message. They cannot truly comprehend what you are saying because they still have an unregenerated heart and think and speak in a common, carnal human manner.

Regarding understanding scripture, one must also be aware of and overcome the many errors that have been inserted, whether intentionally or not. The Spirit of God will reveal these errors to His children in His own time. Meanwhile, the unregenerated remain in strong defiance and ignorance, accepting many of these falsehoods as truth.

During this time, especially prominent in the West of 'Easter day,' has the Spirit of God touched a few human souls to let them know not to trust or celebrate this constantly 'moving' annual celebratory day, the first Sunday after the first full moon that occurs on or after the ecclesiastical spring equinox, which is fixed at March 21?

The issue that I had hoped to pointout, is that no one should be making claims about biblical matter based on any personal belief or conclusion. The truth does not come from us, but to us.

Which of course is fine for us to share...if it is something God did, rather than us. But that is a "testimony" of interaction with God, not an appointment to any spiritual office, or commandment. Which means, sharing the gospel, not making claims based on our own understanding.

 

[Wrangler]

To be clear, if you do not come by your information directly from our Father in heaven--it is of no actual authority within the church.

I suppose that is your thesis but I find it wanting. We can read God's word translated into English.

Perhaps invoking "information" you meant to speak of knowledge and wisdom. At my first Bible Study, the pastor was fond of quoting the first 4 words of the Bible. In the beginning, God. This is information and any idiot can confirm it's true. But how to know how to apply this wisely? That is a horse of a different color.

There are application Bibles, which I think are wonderful as they help point us to God. The Bible talks about the indispensable and irreplaceable importance of KNOWING God. This is not intellectual but personal knowledge, and here your thesis is right on point. It's not knowing about God but knowing him first hand in a personal relationship that has transformed everything.

 

[Jay Ross]

At my first Bible Study, the pastor was fond of quoting the first 4 words of the Bible. In the beginning, God. This is information and any idiot can confirm it's true. But how to know how to apply this wisely? That is a horse of a different color.

I agree that our understanding of "In the beginning, God" can be compressed to simple "'First. God' created the heavens and the earth." which gives a very different understand of Genesis Chapter One.

I have attached my paraphrasing of Genesis 1 which creates a very different understanding which we all should consider.

I suggest that people read the attachment, which is simply a PDF file, an consider if it would change how, you understand, Genesis 1.

Shalom

 

[ScottA]

I suppose that is your thesis but I find it wanting. We can read God's word translated into English.

Perhaps invoking "information" you meant to speak of knowledge and wisdom. At my first Bible Study, the pastor was fond of quoting the first 4 words of the Bible. In the beginning, God. This is information and any idiot can confirm it's true. But how to know how to apply this wisely? That is a horse of a different color.

There are application Bibles, which I think are wonderful as they help point us to God. The Bible talks about the indispensable and irreplaceable importance of KNOWING God. This is not intellectual but personal knowledge, and here your thesis is right on point. It's not knowing about God but knowing him first hand in a personal relationship that has transformed everything.

The point is...we of lower understanding than God, have no business claiming our beliefs and understanding is the higher knowledge of God and the truth.