How Jesus has ALREADY Reconciled Us and the World unto God.

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brightfame52

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Babies know nothing about Christ. Here is a real tough one for you. "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for EVERYONE" Hebrews 2:9.
So babies are saved but not by the blood of Christ correct ? See the Blood of Christ was shed for sinners.
 

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Yes.

Mat 18:1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus and said, "Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?"
Mat 18:2 And He called a child to Himself and set him before them,

Mat 18:3 and said, "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Only the righteous will enter the kingdom of heaven,
Are babies as righteous as Christ ?
 

Ritajanice

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The Bible doesn't explicitly answer the question of whether children who die before they are born again go to heaven.
 

JBO

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The Bible doesn't explicitly answer the question of whether children who die before they are born again go to heaven.
Mat 18:1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus and said, "Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?"
Mat 18:2 And He called a child to Himself and set him before them,

Mat 18:3 and said, "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus was pretty explicit there claiming that children are worthy indeed to enter the kingdom of heaven. Thus, if they die in that condition they will enter the kingdom of heaven.
 

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Sin nature is not a sin. It is clear that you do not even understand what sin really is.
A sin nature is unclean, nothing unclean enters heaven. Its apparent you dont know what a sin nature is. Thats why the saved partake of a new nature in the new birth 2 Pet 1:4

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Eph 5:5

For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Job 14:4

Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one.

Job 15:14

What is man, that he should be clean? and he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous?

Now you say a baby is born righteous, and yet you seem to admit its born with a sin nature which is unholy and unclean.
 

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A sin nature is unclean
Sorry, but you are wrong. There is nothing in the Bible that says or even suggest that a sin nature is unclean.

In fact if Adam and Eve did not have a sin nature, they would have not sinned.
 

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Mat 18:3 and said, "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
What do you think this verse is saying here?

In other words, entrance into heaven's kingdom cannot be gained by defeating all opponents or demonstrating personal accomplishment. Those who would enter must make themselves humble by recognizing that, like little children, they are powerless over the circumstances of their own lives.
 

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Ok, I read it differently as explained above....commentary.
Well that doesn't surprise me in the least. And I certainly would not agree with your above commentary. While there may be some truth to what you wrote there, there is nothing in the passage I posted that comes even close to what you wrote. Jesus is stating the spiritual condition of the little children. That cannot be other than righteous, since only the righteous will enter the kingdom of heaven.

In Jesus' own words, "Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these" (Matt 19:14).
 

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Jesus is stating the spiritual condition of the little children. That cannot be other than righteous, since only the righteous will enter the kingdom of heaven
Not imo, it’s saying no such thing...so I agree to disagree...and I’m certainly not arguing it out with you!

A Born Again is a “ child of God”.
 

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Sorry, but you are wrong. There is nothing in the Bible that says or even suggest that a sin nature is unclean.

In fact if Adam and Eve did not have a sin nature, they would have not sinned.
A sin nature is unclean, hence Jesus says one needs to be born again.
 

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Ok, I read it differently as explained above....commentary.

Matthew 18:3
New International Version
And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
The NIV does not given the best translation/interpretation to the Greek word στρέφω [strephō]. The better one is convert, turn back, turn around, turn again.
 

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Its Blasphemy !
No, it is not. Clearly you are confused. Being born again does do away with the sin nature., whatever you think the sin nature might be. The phrase, "sin nature" does not even appear in the Bible. The term "sinful nature" does appear, but only in the NIV. It translates the Greek word for flesh as "sinful nature". And that comes from the not unusual tendency for the NIV to insert its own peculiar theology into the text.
 

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The NIV does not given the best translation/interpretation to the Greek word στρέφω [strephō]. The better one is convert, turn back, turn around, turn again.
I don’t need no Greek word, to be led by the Spirit..thanks.
 

Ritajanice

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. Being born again does do away with the sin nature.
How does being Born Again do away with the sin nature?

I’m not disagreeing...I’m asking you how that can happen?

The old man is the old sin nature, is it not?

Were in the new man are we not. .? @JBO
 
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