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Let me show you a Mystery.

A disciple, is a follower of Jesus. And you can be that one, and not be born again and on your way to Hell.
Dont Believe in Hell? Well, thousands went there today and tomorrow and yesterday, and now they believe in it.
Remember that...

A Christian, is not a disciple. A Christian is a SON/Daughter of God.

Can you see the difference?

Its a big difference..... both massive and eternal.

If you study the Acts of the Apostles (Acts) you'll note that once they were titled "Christians", they were never called disciples, ever again.
And here is something else...
When they were the 12, following Jesus, they were all disciples, with one fakir (Judas) but none of them were Christians, yet.
Why?
Because "Christianity" began with The Death and Resurrection of Jesus.... So, this is why they were only His Disciples, until that Cross was raised.
Later, when Jesus appeared to them and "Breathed on them" and told them to "receive the Holy Spirit"..


John 20:22

= they were all born again THEN, as... "he who has not the Holy Spirit of God, is not of God"... not born again.... not a SON/Daughter of God.
Yet, TODAY= fake "christian" can be water baptized and try to teach the bible on a Forum like one, or start their own "christian" denomination.
Happens all the time.


Listen....
If you lead someone to Christ and they are born again, then you now have the total responsibility to teach them some fundamentals of the faith.... and..... regarding the Christian walk.
You dont want to mess that up, or you have ruined a Child of God.
Understand?
So....If you believe you can lose your salvation, then GOD HELP the poor baby Christian escape from you and your deception.
Selah..

So, you HAVE to learn this........ Romans 3:21-28.
Learn IT. !!

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Now, Salvation...
WHO IS IT?
Who is it? ??????????

See you were taught that its your faith, or you were taught that getting in that water... is your Salvation.
You may have been taught that keeping commandments and trying to be like Christ is your Salvation.
And none of that is your Salvation.

Learn this reader.

If it didnt DIE ON THE CROSS FOR YOU SIN THEN IT IS NOT YOUR SALVATION.
See that?

So, there goes your works and your water and your commandment keeping and your trying to endure to the end, and all the rest of your SELF EFFORT that God will REJECT if you try to come to Him with all that as your SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Want God. ????? then Go HERE......


JOHN 14:6 and Hebrews 13:9 .............and stay there for LIFE.

Now again...
WHO is your Salvation?

Its Jesus, on the Cross.
HE alone is your Salvation.
JESUS is your Salvation and your King, and your LORD.
Do you have Him IN YOU?
If you do, then you have Salvation in you.
If you have Jesus in you, then you have eternal life in you, as JESUS is eternal life.
If you have Jesus in you, then you are BORN AGAIN, as that is the only PROOF.

If you are born again, and not just water baptized and religious, then you have JESUS< who is SALVATiON and ETERNAL LIFE.....in you.

There is your Salvation, and that is another way to understand it and to TEACH IT correctly.

If none of this makes sense to you, then you have a spiritual and theological problem, as you have been taught to not understand Salvation correctly by a Devil deceived liar and a denomination full of them.
And Reader, to have Salvation, you have to understand it, so that you CAN get it from God.

Salvation is not a process, and its not some level of spiritual growth....... SALVATiON : is the Person of Christ Jesus, Himself.
Salvation is not what you do......its what God provided as Christ on the Cross.

John 3:16
2 Corinthians 5:19
John 14:6
 
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Let me show you a Mystery.

A disciple, is a follower of Jesus. And you can be that one, and not be born again and on your way to Hell.
Dont Believe in Hell? Well, thousands went there today and tomorrow and yesterday, and now they believe in it.
Remember that...

A Christian, is not a disciple. A Christian is a SON/Daughter of God.

Can you see the difference?

Its a big difference..... both massive and eternal.

If you study the Acts of the Apostles (Acts) you'll note that once they were titled "Christians", they were never called disciples, ever again.
And here is something else...
When they were the 12, following Jesus, they were all disciples, with one fakir (Judas) but none of them were Christians, yet.
Why?
Because "Christianity" began with The Death and Resurrection of Jesus.... So, this is why they were only His Disciples, until that Cross was raised.
Later, when Jesus appeared to them and "Breathed on them" and told them to "receive the Holy Spirit"..


John 20:22

= they were all born again THEN, as... "he who has not the Holy Spirit of God, is not of God"... not born again.... not a SON/Daughter of God.
Yet, TODAY= fake "christian" can be water baptized and try to teach the bible on a Forum like one, or start their own "christian" denomination.
Happens all the time.


Listen....
If you lead someone to Christ and they are born again, then you now have the total responsibility to teach them some fundamentals of the faith.... and..... regarding the Christian walk.
You dont want to mess that up, or you have ruined a Child of God.
Understand?
So....If you believe you can lose your salvation, then GOD HELP the poor baby Christian escape from you and your deception.
Selah..

So, you HAVE to learn this........ Romans 3:21-28.
Learn IT. !!

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now, Salvation...
WHO IS IT?
Who is it? ??????????

See you were taught that its your faith, or you were taught that getting in that water... is your Salvation.
You may have been taught that keeping commandments and trying to be like Christ is your Salvation.
And none of that is your Salvation.

Learn this reader.

If it didnt DIE ON THE CROSS FOR YOU SIN THEN IT IS NOT YOUR SALVATION.
See that?

So, there goes your works and your water and your commandment keeping and your trying to endure to the end, and all the rest of your SELF EFFORT that God will REJECT if you try to come to Him with all that as your SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Want God. ????? then Go HERE......


JOHN 14:6 and Hebrews 13:9 .............and stay there for LIFE.

Now again...
WHO is your Salvation?

Its Jesus, on the Cross.
HE alone is your Salvation.
JESUS is your Salvation and your King, and your LORD.
Do you have Him IN YOU?
If you do, then you have Salvation in you.
If you have Jesus in you, then you have eternal life in you, as JESUS is eternal life.
If you have Jesus in you, then you are BORN AGAIN, as that is the only PROOF.

If you are born again, and not just water baptized and religious, then you have JESUS< who is SALVATiON and ETERNAL LIFE.....in you.

There is your Salvation, and that is another way to understand it and to TEACH IT correctly.

If none of this makes sense to you, then you have a spiritual and theological problem, as you have been taught to not understand Salvation correctly by a Devil deceived liar and a denomination full of them.
And Reader, to have Salvation, you have to understand it, so that you CAN get it from God.

Salvation is not a process, and its not some level of spiritual growth....... SALVATiON : is the Person of Christ Jesus, Himself.
Salvation is not what you do......its what God provided as Christ on the Cross.

John 3:16
2 Corinthians 5:19
John 14:6
Salvation is being saved and to be saved is a process. You must 1st believe and have faith. You must confess your belief as did the Ethiopian eunuch as recorded in Acts 8 and consistent with Romans 10:9. You must repent as were ge jews told to do on the day of Pentecost as per Acts 2:38. And finally, you must be baptized into Christ also per Acts 2:38 for the remission of sins. That's the process of being saved and becoming a Christian and child of God.
 

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Hold up! People were redeemed in the Old Testament. David believed in a redeemer, so did Job, Abraham believed before he offered his son Isaac up. He was converted before then.

So the disciples... aside from Judas would have been saved.

The system of service was different in the OT..not the way of salvation.


That's what the Pharisees and scribes didn't get.
 

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Salvation is being saved and to be saved is a process.

Never.
Not EVER.

Salvation is JESUS on the Cross.
Is that your "Process", DJT_47?

Listen,
Its not a good thing to have no understanding of The Cross of Christ, or the Blood Atonement.

Go here and read these verses, and learn them...

Romans 3:21-28.

Then, find out why Salvation is a "GIFT".
Its the "GIFT" of Salvation.....and never a "process".
Now, i understand that your CULT has no idea, and that is why you have no idea.... but do understand that God does not blame your cult for what you don't know.
You are responsible, not them.
Believe it.
 

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Hold up! People were redeemed in the Old Testament.

Justification by Faith, happened to Abraham.
This is why Paul teaches us that Abraham is the "father of our Faith".

Galatians 3:6-9

What the OT saints didn't have was a "one time eternal sacrifice for all their sin".

Hebrews 10

= This is Christ on the Cross.
We have this BLOOD ATONEMENT , = if we are born again.
 
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Never.
Not EVER.

Salvation is JESUS on the Cross.
Is that your "Process", DJT_47?

Listen,
Its not a good thing to have no understanding of The Cross of Christ, or the Blood Atonement.

Go here and read these verses, and learn them...

Romans 3:21-28.

Then, find out why Salvation is a "GIFT".
Its the "GIFT" of Salvation.....and never a "process".
Now, i understand that your CULT has no idea, and that is why you have no idea.... but do understand that God does not blame your cult for what you don't know.
You are responsible, not them.
Believe it.
A gift to who? Those that believe and obey. And obedience requires that you do something which us what the scriptures say and teach and is what I outlined for you. It is a process.
 

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Justification by Faith, happened to Abraham.
This is why Paul teaches us that Abraham is the "father of our Faith".

Galatians 3:6-9

What the OT saints didn't have was a "one time eternal sacrifice for all their sin".

Hebrews 10

= This is Christ on the Cross.
We have this BLOOD ATONEMENT , = if we are born again.

Well.. the sacrifice of lambs bulls and goats in the OT.. is a picture of Jesus.

These sacrifices also couldn't atone for sin as in eternal life.

So therefore is not the atonement of Jesus effectual then also.. as people looking forward to the Messiah coming?

Jesus wasn't offering a new way of salvation.. but undoing the broken system of laws that the Israelite failed in. I thought
 

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A gift to who?

To the world.
The Gift of Jesus on the Cross is given to the World.

John 3:16 and John 3:17

"For God so loved THE WHO"?

THe WHO? DJT_47 ??

"For God so loved the : WORLD"...

The world of who?

= SINNERS.......


"Jesus came to save SINNERS".......

How does He do it?

"well Behold, you see, my cult says its a process,...... the sinner has to do the process"..... "and my best friend's cult says they have to get in the water to go to heaven"... "and this cult says, and that cult says, and , and and"...


NO THEY DONT !!
There is no process., there is just the lost sinner needing to be SAVED.
And God sent the Savior to the Cross to save them.
THATS IT.

JOHN 14:6

That is not a PROCESS, fella, or whatever you are.
That is a GIFT.
Jesus died for FREE.
Jesus laid His own life down for the world of sinners, as "the Gift of Salvation".
Jesus gave His life for you, for FREE, not so that you can try to save yourself with your Cult's silly self righteous "process".

Its "The GIFT of Salvation", not the process of Salvation, DJT_47.
 

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You, I think, are missing the point. Salvation is s free gift but that doesn't mean everyone will receive the gift. In order to receive the free gift of salvation you must do something in order to get it. If you do nothing and ignor the commands necessary to receive it, you'll not get it.
 

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You, I think, are missing the point. Salvation is s free gift but that doesn't mean everyone will receive the gift. In order to receive the free gift of salvation you must do something in order to get it. If you do nothing and ignor the commands necessary to receive it, you'll not get it.
That's straight out works for salvation fella.

If its a free gift... you can't earn it in, man!

And it's God who keeps it.. not yourself who keeps it. He owns it.. He keeps it!
 
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You, I think, are missing the point. Salvation is s free gift but that doesn't mean everyone will receive the gift. In order to receive the free gift of salvation you must do something in order to get it. If you do nothing and ignor the commands necessary to receive it, you'll not get it.

There are no "commands".

There is the Cross, there is God's will that we all be saved, and there is the offer of the Gift of Salvation that is our redemption.
This OFFER, is Jesus on the Cross.
HE is the Gift of Salvation.
By Christ's blood and death, all who will believe, will be redeemed based on the finished work of Jesus on the Cross.

We, dont earn that, and THAT is not a process.
Salvation is the Gift of God, who is JESUS on the Cross, that IS the redemption of Sin...

HE, Christ the Lord is our sin bearer, as He died for the sin of the World., and this offer, is a free Gift OF Salvation.

Jesus said, i am THE WAY to the Father, and that is not your "process", or your Cult's idea of a "process".... DJT_47.
That is Jesus, who Himself is eternal life, and the Resurrection.

If you have Him in you, then you have met God's requirement to be forgiven, accepted, redeemed, as that BLood of the Holy Lamb of God, is your redemption, and there is no other.
So, OUT goes your "process" and your water baptism, and your trying to be like Jesus.
All that is DUNG, as it has nothing to do with the means by which God redeems a lost sinner.

Only JESUS SAVES and that does not included your "process" or anything else....
And like i pointed out, .... unless it Died on the Cross for you, its not your Salvation.
 
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You're straight out wrong and do not understand the plain language of the scriptures. Goodbye

Once you decide you actually want to know the truth, and not just parrot the misinformation you've been taught.... then you should study my 3 Threads, carefully, that teach "how to teach Salvation".

Here is the 3rd installment.