McFearless
Active Member
The liberals ask me how the hell are you conservative and don’t believe in god? The conservatives ask me, how the hell do you not believe in God, but aren’t liberal? I get into it with the Christians, the atheists, the liberals, and the conservatives. People say ohhh don’t let labels affect you. Those labels mean a lot. If you are Christian in the fundamental, that massively affects your political stance. And if you are not a Christian, then your political stance on issues will be seen as very unChristian by the typical Christians.
I consider myself spiritual, but not religious. I was raised Christian Orthodox but I never cared to take it seriously.
It’s just funny because I have a lot of Christian values but I never liked the idea of not being my own ultimate authority which I guess allows me to hold many unChristian values at the exact same time. It’s tough. I consider the other alternative of someone like myself to be a liberal Christian…that too is another conundrum.
Can anyone offer any insight into this?
I can advice you to read Edmund Burke, if you want answers for your questions or what you are seeking. Edmund Burke outlines that the ideology of conservatism, has to do with trial and error - the reason one wants to conserve society is because society has gone through the test of time. That doesn’t mean that conservatives are against development, they just want the tempo of changes to slow down, so we don’t change so much in a society, that one can’t see which changes caused which consequences. The ideology’s arguments are fair and doesn’t have anything to do with religion - although the thought might have started in religious societies too (Islamic, Jewish or Christian beliefs).
The issue when discussing conservatism is that everyone could self-identify as a conservative - every human in this world wants to preserve/conserve the good things in society - one can be super conservative living like the Amish or the Saudi Muslims (don’t remember their branch) or they can be mildly conservative like the people we refer to as liberals. Even the most conservative Americans of today would be considered liberals, by their own great great great grandfathers.
In my opinion: Just like some Muslims came up with a political version of Islam, some Christians have done the same with politics (not only in America) but in the whole democratic world. I believe that they have tried to create a stereotype of a Christian voter to shame other Christians into voting a certain way. I also believe that atheists or other non believers use that same argument to shame non Christians in to voting according to the stereotype. I’m a Christian and I don’t consider my self a conservative (in the modern sense) I believe that people should be free to live how they see fit (unless they directly hurt others), practice the religion they want, marry whomever they want, even define as the gender they want.
I really like the speech that former senator Ron Paul gave on the subject during the Republican primary election.
I’m Danish and we unfortunately don’t have a great constitution like the American Constitution - our Democratic freedoms are limited in contrary to the American constitution - I in many way’s don’t believe that the government should micro manage us. Many of the so called liberals, want the government to micro manage, what’s liberal about that?
You should vote according to your personal conviction - if you believe that either party deserves your vote go vote for them. I can’t vote in America, but if I could I wouldn’t vote, I simply don’t believe that I should partake in elections any more. It is my (very conservative belief) that Christians wasn’t supposed to rule as kings but serve the people and preach the gospel, it is my belief that Christians should be as indifferent to earthly governments as Jesus was.
It is in my opinion not conservative for a christian to vote.