As Abraham Lincoln once famously said, God cannot be both for and against something. Nowhere does God justify liberalism, the forced redistribution of wealth, the covetousness, the murder of the unborn, and the promotion of immorality. It's demonic and even Christians who are liberal are under the influence of Satan and are fighting for his cause, not the Lord's.aspen said:
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Tex...Hmmmmmmmmmmmm i find that kind of strange...you must be very young I take it......look...we could care less what allan and bobby do...that's their life............let them live their lives and you live yours. Are not you bounding allan and bobby as satan bounds God's people?Tex said:
Leave allan and bobby alone...................you just be the best you can be.........now that was the opposite of liberalism......
And here is another meaning.........Liberalism====="do as i say not as i do"
I hope one day you will be making $700.00 an hour......and so does Jesus....your tithe will be bigger and you are able to help others in need......
That's what jesus wants you to have..............satan wants to take everything you have and more..............
satan wants you to think little is more................HA!!!!! lie straight from the pits of hell.
This administration wants the middle class gone............and if you can't see that happening on your tv screen.........then put your head back into the sand.
Poor and rich............that's all there's goin to be..........why?...............because with your plan which is already in place.....the results ar ehappening way to fast.
God doesn't want you to barely take care of yourself..............He gave you gifts to not only give you a good life...but also help others.......
How on earth are you able to help anyone with that additude of 700.00.........is just fine?
Think Big...You Have a Big God
That's why I dislike democracy. The average person might be smart enough, but there is a "below average" section that just does not have what it takes to run a nation. And we get like this in about 50 years. Post WWII America was great, and very quickly McCarthyism, drug revolution, and sexual revolution, turned the nation into a welfare state with rampant crime rates and courts backed up for years. Believe it or not, this decline was started by FDR during the great depression.Dan57 said:That's a good question, where would your tax dollars go? $355 billion goes to pay the interest on the national debt every year. And your president just asked for another $3-$4 billion for the thousands of illegals flooding across our southern border. If the rich paid 100% tax, we couldn't balance the federal budget, and if we spent ZERO on defense, it wouldn't balance the budget. When I look at how the government blows my tax dollars, I don't want to give them another dime. I don't feel patriotic paying taxes, I feel like I'm buying a heroin addict his next fix.
And when the government prints new money, it devalues the money that already exist and causes inflation. If nothing changes, the dollar will collapse and we'll see hard times like never before. So instead of paying more taxes, buy some gold and a gun.
And for the record, welfare state is not socialism. I am against the welfare state. I am for socialism. Here is a good article that explains, if any one is curious.
I am willing to give up a lot of license. It's a better nation that way; it will increase liberty.RANDOR said:Dan57......you said it...........the dollar is about to collapse....I don't know where Tex has been livin....apparently he doesn't know that what he is proposing is the cause of Russia and China dropping the dollar and many others are starting to follow. Tex is living like there is a solution....I guess he is willing to give up most of his rights if not all as an American. Even the Libs are coming out now and calling what Tex is wanting a disaster...they are finally seein it
God...help us all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And this at this point has nothing ot do with liberal or conservative.....the damage is already done....it's becoming each man for himself.
I have more to tell Tex.....but.......I need to get to church...later
Abraham Lincoln was a liberal. =)This Vale Of Tears said:
Nowhere does God justify washing machines. God's opinion on government seems to be that we should be a kritarchy. That isn't the opinion of either parties.
Finally, liberalism does not mean "covetousness, murder of the unborn, and promotion of immorality". Please, no strawmen allowed.
I'm sorry that you don't care about people. That might be something you should work on.RANDOR said:
That is simply a crass insult. I could say the same thing about conservatism.RANDOR said:
First, Jesus could care less what I make. He cares about godliness, and God does not have an income. That is garbage theology that you need to completely throw out.RANDOR said:
Second, higher taxes is in no way "satanic lies". Your ignorance shows. Higher taxes have been used to curb inflation, fund wars (both WWI and WWII), and have been platforms of both parties for years. Raise taxes is an economic tool, not a satanic lie. Your head is in the clouds and you don't seem to understand reality.
Finally, Satan promotes selfishness. I want to help people. You show your ignorance and satan's influence on you when you do not care about others and then use base tactics like that to debate. You are greedy. Invest more in Logos.
The plan in place is not my plan. Stop putting words in my mouth before I justly call you a liar.RANDOR said:
I am thinking big. Much bigger than you. You admittedly do not think about other people. The whole nation is not charitable. I know many, many millionaires. You know what they give to charity? Nothing. They say "If it's not an investment, I'm not putting money toward it". The charity you're looking for people to give doesn't exist in those in the top. They wont help those people below them, and they don't even look down to see. People like you are why we need higher taxes in the upper quintile.RANDOR said:God doesn't want you to barely take care of yourself..............He gave you gifts to not only give you a good life...but also help others.......
How on earth are you able to help anyone with that additude of 700.00.........is just fine?
Think Big...You Have a Big God
Well then he sucks at it, because income inequality has continued to skyrocket during his administration.Dan57 said:
Nothing. The fact that all the countries that have surpassed the US in so many areas (standard of living, quality of life, education, health care) are socialist democracies is good evidence that their policies work.Tex said:
Nothing new here........all I got to say is....i sure hope you dated these conversations...........try it...just for fun.......and shortly...it will be only months from now.......you will be singin a different tune....i guarantee it...........you will see if you are not seein it now....
WE ALL HAVE BEEN LIED TO!
WE ALL HAVE BEEN LIED TO!
@Randor
The political policies you advocate now were the policies of the liberals in the 1920s. Get off the dogma train and think.
The political policies you advocate now were the policies of the liberals in the 1920s. Get off the dogma train and think.
TEX said: "....I think a flat tax would be unfair and, therefore, not equal."
In a flat tax system everyone pays an EQUAL amount! So how is it not equal??
TEX said: "I take no government assistance, but do take the tax discounts I qualify for."
By taking the tax discount you qualify for you are taking government assistance. The government (no one else) assisted you in getting that tax discount, and you took it. But of course it is ok for you take to a "tax discount" but not ok for big business? I presume that's what you meant when you wrote in an earlier post about "to many loopholes" when referring to millionaires? It's ok for you but not for them? Why do you want to be unfair to people?
TEX said "....supply and demand is for commodities, not people."
Wrong again! If there is a large supply of workers, let's say Doctors (who are people), the value or the pay for those Doctors would decrease because there are so many of them. When doctors are in short supply they can demand a higher wage....just like commodities. If you advertise one job opening at McDonalds for $15.00 an hour and you have one-hundred people apply for the job you could easily not hire immediately and then a couple weeks later post the same job for $12.00 an hour and still have enough applicants. People are like commodities. Just like if the market is flooded with apples or oranges due to a great growing season, the price goes down.
TEX said: "....I want to pay more taxes."
There is a form you can fill out to give money to the government. It can easily be found at the IRS website. The office is located in Hyatsville Maryland. So now you know you can pay more, but I suspect you won't.
TEX said:. " I know many, many millionaires. You know what they give to charity? Nothing. They say "If it's not an investment, I'm not putting money toward it". The charity you're looking for people to give doesn't exist in those in the top. They wont help those people below them, and they don't even look down to see. People like you are why we need higher taxes in the upper quintile.
YOU KNOW MANY MILLIONAIRES that don't give to charity? Your a liberal so I suspect you hang out with liberals? So it is the liberal millionaires that aren't giving? Or have you just read about these millionaires that don't give? I have read about millionaires that do give, lots of money. So I guess it's a matter of what you choose to read?
You are equating taxes with charity when you say "we need higher taxes in the upper quintile" to "help those people below them". I don't think the bible backs up you analogy. Also, according to the IRS, the top five percent of wage earners pay most of the federal income tax.
I look forward to your response.
In a flat tax system everyone pays an EQUAL amount! So how is it not equal??
TEX said: "I take no government assistance, but do take the tax discounts I qualify for."
By taking the tax discount you qualify for you are taking government assistance. The government (no one else) assisted you in getting that tax discount, and you took it. But of course it is ok for you take to a "tax discount" but not ok for big business? I presume that's what you meant when you wrote in an earlier post about "to many loopholes" when referring to millionaires? It's ok for you but not for them? Why do you want to be unfair to people?
TEX said "....supply and demand is for commodities, not people."
Wrong again! If there is a large supply of workers, let's say Doctors (who are people), the value or the pay for those Doctors would decrease because there are so many of them. When doctors are in short supply they can demand a higher wage....just like commodities. If you advertise one job opening at McDonalds for $15.00 an hour and you have one-hundred people apply for the job you could easily not hire immediately and then a couple weeks later post the same job for $12.00 an hour and still have enough applicants. People are like commodities. Just like if the market is flooded with apples or oranges due to a great growing season, the price goes down.
TEX said: "....I want to pay more taxes."
There is a form you can fill out to give money to the government. It can easily be found at the IRS website. The office is located in Hyatsville Maryland. So now you know you can pay more, but I suspect you won't.
TEX said:. " I know many, many millionaires. You know what they give to charity? Nothing. They say "If it's not an investment, I'm not putting money toward it". The charity you're looking for people to give doesn't exist in those in the top. They wont help those people below them, and they don't even look down to see. People like you are why we need higher taxes in the upper quintile.
YOU KNOW MANY MILLIONAIRES that don't give to charity? Your a liberal so I suspect you hang out with liberals? So it is the liberal millionaires that aren't giving? Or have you just read about these millionaires that don't give? I have read about millionaires that do give, lots of money. So I guess it's a matter of what you choose to read?
You are equating taxes with charity when you say "we need higher taxes in the upper quintile" to "help those people below them". I don't think the bible backs up you analogy. Also, according to the IRS, the top five percent of wage earners pay most of the federal income tax.
I look forward to your response.
Scripture tells us to test people, to see if they are of God or not.
1 John 4:1, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."
This only makes sense, when one is sincerely interested in associating with godly people, while avoiding the contamination and influence of ungodly men.
The key, however, to the rejection of the rule of God was Article VI, Clause 3, "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several state Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."
The Constitution was a rebellion against Christ and his authority over the nation, replacing it with the rule of man. The Bible warns us, "Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?" (Isaiah 2:22).
An objection is that the Constitution contains Christian principles and therefore is a sort of halfway covenant. As evidence of this, they may offer that the Constitution presents us with a system of divided authority and diffused powers. Even covenant-breaking historians would admit that Christian principles exist within the Constitution while denying that it is a Christian covenant (the word “God” does not appear in the “Constitution”). The problem with this is that every government that exists contains Christian principles. In fact, any truth or correct morality is a Christian principle. All true and good principles are Christian principles because this universe is created and governed by the true and living God who has revealed himself in the Bible. Islamic governments contain many Biblical principles, such as capital punishment. That does not, however, save them from condemnation as apostate covenants. We must return to the question, what sort of Christian principles constitute a Christian government and what make an apostate government? The Biblical covenant model is the Biblical model and therefore the only proper judge of whether or not a state is a covenant-keeping one.
In Torcaso v. Watkins, 367 U.S. 488 (1961), the United States Supreme Court holds that the state of Maryland can not require applicants for public office to swear that they believed in the existence of God. The court unanimously rules that a religious test violates the Establishment Clause. This verifies that the U.S. Constitution allows Atheists to rule and make laws for bondservants of Christ!
“We the people...” = the religion of humanism. This is why you have Satanists ruling over you today -- and you signed on to their program voluntarily!
1 John 4:1, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."
This only makes sense, when one is sincerely interested in associating with godly people, while avoiding the contamination and influence of ungodly men.
The key, however, to the rejection of the rule of God was Article VI, Clause 3, "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several state Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."
The Constitution was a rebellion against Christ and his authority over the nation, replacing it with the rule of man. The Bible warns us, "Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?" (Isaiah 2:22).
An objection is that the Constitution contains Christian principles and therefore is a sort of halfway covenant. As evidence of this, they may offer that the Constitution presents us with a system of divided authority and diffused powers. Even covenant-breaking historians would admit that Christian principles exist within the Constitution while denying that it is a Christian covenant (the word “God” does not appear in the “Constitution”). The problem with this is that every government that exists contains Christian principles. In fact, any truth or correct morality is a Christian principle. All true and good principles are Christian principles because this universe is created and governed by the true and living God who has revealed himself in the Bible. Islamic governments contain many Biblical principles, such as capital punishment. That does not, however, save them from condemnation as apostate covenants. We must return to the question, what sort of Christian principles constitute a Christian government and what make an apostate government? The Biblical covenant model is the Biblical model and therefore the only proper judge of whether or not a state is a covenant-keeping one.
In Torcaso v. Watkins, 367 U.S. 488 (1961), the United States Supreme Court holds that the state of Maryland can not require applicants for public office to swear that they believed in the existence of God. The court unanimously rules that a religious test violates the Establishment Clause. This verifies that the U.S. Constitution allows Atheists to rule and make laws for bondservants of Christ!
“We the people...” = the religion of humanism. This is why you have Satanists ruling over you today -- and you signed on to their program voluntarily!
I'm sorry........ya just can't be a Christian and a Liberal at the same time today.......maybe years ago...but defintely not today.
I am using that statement pertaining to political views only.
I am using that statement pertaining to political views only.
Agreed. God is not ambiguous that he can be both for and against anything. Liberalism is demonic, it's precepts, creeds, and agenda authored by hell. It perverts the truth, confounds personal responsibility, steals from people's labors, promotes immorality, and murders the unborn. Christians who vote that way are deceived, aligning their efforts in the service of Satan even if unwittingly. They serve the god of this world even while claiming to serve the Almighty and it's a terrible thing to witness.RANDOR said:
Indeed. All who ignorantly or otherwise accept the world's labels (e.g. "-ism's" and "-ist's") are in for a hard time before the King. Imagine Jesus pledging allegiance to the flag of Israel...
The god of this world teaches people about Jesus from a point of view that is politically expedient to his ultimate agenda. The Holy Bible says, "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other." (Matthew 6:24)
and
"Know ye not that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or obedience unto righteousness?"
If you study this passage, you'll see that either option is "obedience," but one path is sinful and leads to death, and the other is associated with righteousness and leads to life.
We as Christians cannot compromise the truth and be faithful to God. Consider this, for time is short.
The god of this world teaches people about Jesus from a point of view that is politically expedient to his ultimate agenda. The Holy Bible says, "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other." (Matthew 6:24)
and
"Know ye not that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or obedience unto righteousness?"
If you study this passage, you'll see that either option is "obedience," but one path is sinful and leads to death, and the other is associated with righteousness and leads to life.
We as Christians cannot compromise the truth and be faithful to God. Consider this, for time is short.
@Randor
Do not question my faith. You do not know my heart. You only know a small box of reality. You will learn how liberalism and Christianity are totally compatible at some point, I hope, and your unjust prejudice will be removed.
@ Tom55
A flat tax is unfair because the poor necessarily consume more, therefore invest less. The rich man can invest his money and become wealthier. The poor must use all of his wealth, and therefore remains poor. A progressive tax is the only fair system.
Tax discounts are government assistance, yes. What I was attempting to communicate is that I do not take all of the government assistance that I actually qualify for. I do not need it. And certainly, big business does not need assistance.
Labor functions the same as supply and demand. I already said that. Labor may function just like a commodity, but people are not commodities. If people are commodities, we should more accurately call them "slaves" rather than "employees". People are people, and do not need to be treated like sugar or baseballs. They deserve a base amount of goods (minimum wage), all of which is already offered. Again, I am not pro-welfare state, I am a socialist (government owned business, much like GM's primary stockholder is the US government due to the bailout).
I want to pay more taxes. I want you to also pay more taxes. At the very least, I want more taxes so the debt may start to shrink. I'm not making a statement about just me, I'm telling you what to do too. I'm telling you that I'll join you in paying more taxes. I'm not so selfish that I want you to pay and I don't have to.
Finally, you should read the whole thread before making dumb comments. First, I live in Texas and went to Catholic University, so 90% of my friends are hardcore Republican. All but two millionaires I know are 100% Republican (except for the gay guy, but he's still pretty far into the right wing). None of them give to charity (Ok, the gay guy gives a few dollars, but it's less than 1% of his income). They say that no one deserves it but them, they earned it, it's their money. And it is, but that's the same mentality of my sister when she was 7. I think too many people act like 7 year olds.
I equate taxes with charity, yes. Taxing is the way I can take your money regardless of how selfish you truly are. The upper quintile does not give enough to charity, so I support forcing it. The top 5% of incomes do pay over half of federal tax, true. Because they should. However, I'm more concerned with total wealth than income, more concerned with the non-taxable benefits of the upper quintile, and also concerned with 5%-25%. This website says that between 10% and 25%, there is 22.6% of income, yet they only pay 17.0% of income taxes.
@S4C
First post: I am not pro-constitution. The founding fathers were Masons, Desists, and the like. They weren't exactly "divinely inspired". I respect the Constitution for all that it's done, but social contract theory is not a good foundation for government.
Second post: You are a Christian (Christ-like), you probably believe that what you see is reality, so you're a realist. "-ism's" and "-ist's" and "-ian's" are all just ways to describe. They aren't evil, and our King will use them too.
@Vale
What truth is perverted, welfare is not the whole of liberalism, taxes are not evil, it doesn't promote immorality (it's a political stance for crying out loud), and I don't support the murder of the unborn (or the born, for that matter). Liberals are not inherently evil. Liberalism is not demonic.
"Socially liberal" means "social license", and this is not inherently part of liberalism. There are differences in economic policies, foreign affairs, military policies, and more between conservatism and liberalism that do not have to do with social issues. The modern social issues are generally evil. However, look at me. I agreed with you that recreational marijuana usage is immoral. I agreed with you about abortion and euthanasia. We agree on the way people should behave! I am a liberal, how does that make me evil?
Do not question my faith. You do not know my heart. You only know a small box of reality. You will learn how liberalism and Christianity are totally compatible at some point, I hope, and your unjust prejudice will be removed.
@ Tom55
A flat tax is unfair because the poor necessarily consume more, therefore invest less. The rich man can invest his money and become wealthier. The poor must use all of his wealth, and therefore remains poor. A progressive tax is the only fair system.
Tax discounts are government assistance, yes. What I was attempting to communicate is that I do not take all of the government assistance that I actually qualify for. I do not need it. And certainly, big business does not need assistance.
Labor functions the same as supply and demand. I already said that. Labor may function just like a commodity, but people are not commodities. If people are commodities, we should more accurately call them "slaves" rather than "employees". People are people, and do not need to be treated like sugar or baseballs. They deserve a base amount of goods (minimum wage), all of which is already offered. Again, I am not pro-welfare state, I am a socialist (government owned business, much like GM's primary stockholder is the US government due to the bailout).
I want to pay more taxes. I want you to also pay more taxes. At the very least, I want more taxes so the debt may start to shrink. I'm not making a statement about just me, I'm telling you what to do too. I'm telling you that I'll join you in paying more taxes. I'm not so selfish that I want you to pay and I don't have to.
Finally, you should read the whole thread before making dumb comments. First, I live in Texas and went to Catholic University, so 90% of my friends are hardcore Republican. All but two millionaires I know are 100% Republican (except for the gay guy, but he's still pretty far into the right wing). None of them give to charity (Ok, the gay guy gives a few dollars, but it's less than 1% of his income). They say that no one deserves it but them, they earned it, it's their money. And it is, but that's the same mentality of my sister when she was 7. I think too many people act like 7 year olds.
I equate taxes with charity, yes. Taxing is the way I can take your money regardless of how selfish you truly are. The upper quintile does not give enough to charity, so I support forcing it. The top 5% of incomes do pay over half of federal tax, true. Because they should. However, I'm more concerned with total wealth than income, more concerned with the non-taxable benefits of the upper quintile, and also concerned with 5%-25%. This website says that between 10% and 25%, there is 22.6% of income, yet they only pay 17.0% of income taxes.
@S4C
First post: I am not pro-constitution. The founding fathers were Masons, Desists, and the like. They weren't exactly "divinely inspired". I respect the Constitution for all that it's done, but social contract theory is not a good foundation for government.
Second post: You are a Christian (Christ-like), you probably believe that what you see is reality, so you're a realist. "-ism's" and "-ist's" and "-ian's" are all just ways to describe. They aren't evil, and our King will use them too.
@Vale
What truth is perverted, welfare is not the whole of liberalism, taxes are not evil, it doesn't promote immorality (it's a political stance for crying out loud), and I don't support the murder of the unborn (or the born, for that matter). Liberals are not inherently evil. Liberalism is not demonic.
"Socially liberal" means "social license", and this is not inherently part of liberalism. There are differences in economic policies, foreign affairs, military policies, and more between conservatism and liberalism that do not have to do with social issues. The modern social issues are generally evil. However, look at me. I agreed with you that recreational marijuana usage is immoral. I agreed with you about abortion and euthanasia. We agree on the way people should behave! I am a liberal, how does that make me evil?
No it doesn't make you evil....it's what it represents in todays age is what's evil......and you have proven more than once...you definetly have a liberal mind set. Calm down son........it's ok..........everything will be fine.
But...just stop for a moment........ok...are ya calm?
Just a suggestion here.....think about this for a second.....why are you having to defend yourself here all the time?
Survey Shows How Liberals and Conservatives Differ on Matters of Faith
March 27, 2009 –People’s interest in – and reactions to – the social and political actions being made by President Obama and the Democratic-controlled Congress have heightened awareness of the different perspectives held by liberals and conservatives.
A new study conducted by The Barna Group indicates that those differences are related to substantially different spiritual beliefs, behaviors and alignments.
Overall, the research shows that nearly one-third of all adults (32%) consider themselves to be “mostly conservative” on social and political matters, and about half as many (17%) claimed to be “mostly liberal” on such matters. The other half of the adult population generally takes a position somewhere in between those opposing viewpoints.
The Religious Beliefs of Liberals and Conservatives
Based upon an evaluation of more than a dozen religious beliefs of liberals and conservatives, consistent and significant differences are evident. Liberals are less than half as likely as conservatives to firmly believe that the Bible is totally accurate in all of the principles it teaches (27% versus 63%, respectively); to strongly believe that Satan is real (17% versus 36%); and to firmly contend that they have a personal responsibility to share their religious beliefs with others (23% versus 48%).
Liberals are also far less likely than conservatives to strongly believe each of the following:
The research also discovered that liberals are more likely than conservatives to develop their own set of religious beliefs rather than adopt those proposed by a church or other entity. A greater percentage of liberals also indicated they are very open to accepting different moral views than those they presently possess.
The Religious Practices of Liberals and Conservatives
The Barna study examined five specific religious practices and found that conservatives were more likely than liberals to engage in all five. In a typical week, the survey showed that conservatives were more likely than liberals to:
The Faith Alignments of Liberals and Conservatives
Most liberals, as well as conservatives, consider themselves to be Christian. However, the proportion of adults in each group who embrace that identity differs significantly: 94% of conservatives call themselves Christians, while just 74% of liberals do so.
There were other distinctions regarding the faith groups with which these ideological opposites were aligned. For instance:
The Political Impact of Faith Choices
In reviewing the findings, lead researcher George Barna noted the different tendencies of each ideological segment.
“Liberals appear to place a greater emphasis upon self-reliance and what they personally accomplish than upon faith alone or intense participation in a community of faith,” Barna explained. “They also seem less inclined to trust the Bible as a moral authority or source of truth, and have less involvement in some type of personal relationship with their god.”
“Conservatives are more active in a wide range of religious behaviors, both individual and corporate,” the researcher continued. “They are also more connected to their deity, seeing God as more personal, interactive and involved in their lives than do liberals.”
But hey...this was written by man......and what does man know?
Be cool
But...just stop for a moment........ok...are ya calm?
Just a suggestion here.....think about this for a second.....why are you having to defend yourself here all the time?
Survey Shows How Liberals and Conservatives Differ on Matters of Faith
A new study conducted by The Barna Group indicates that those differences are related to substantially different spiritual beliefs, behaviors and alignments.
Overall, the research shows that nearly one-third of all adults (32%) consider themselves to be “mostly conservative” on social and political matters, and about half as many (17%) claimed to be “mostly liberal” on such matters. The other half of the adult population generally takes a position somewhere in between those opposing viewpoints.
The Religious Beliefs of Liberals and Conservatives
Based upon an evaluation of more than a dozen religious beliefs of liberals and conservatives, consistent and significant differences are evident. Liberals are less than half as likely as conservatives to firmly believe that the Bible is totally accurate in all of the principles it teaches (27% versus 63%, respectively); to strongly believe that Satan is real (17% versus 36%); and to firmly contend that they have a personal responsibility to share their religious beliefs with others (23% versus 48%).
Liberals are also far less likely than conservatives to strongly believe each of the following:
- their religious faith is very important in their life (54% of liberals vs. 82% of conservatives);
- a person cannot earn their way into Heaven by doing good deeds or being a good person (23% vs. 37%);
- their faith is becoming an increasingly important moral guide in their life (38% vs. 70%);
- the church they currently attend is very important in helping them find direction and fulfillment in life (37% vs. 62%);
- their primary purpose in life is to love God with all their heart, mind, strength and soul (43% vs. 76%);
- Jesus Christ did not commit sins during His time on earth (33% vs. 55%).
The research also discovered that liberals are more likely than conservatives to develop their own set of religious beliefs rather than adopt those proposed by a church or other entity. A greater percentage of liberals also indicated they are very open to accepting different moral views than those they presently possess.
The Religious Practices of Liberals and Conservatives
The Barna study examined five specific religious practices and found that conservatives were more likely than liberals to engage in all five. In a typical week, the survey showed that conservatives were more likely than liberals to:
- read the Bible, other than at church events, during the past week (57% vs. 33%, respectively)
- attend a religious service during the past week (62% vs. 35%)
- pray to God, other than at a religious service, during the past week (91% vs. 76%)
- share their religious beliefs with others, during the past year (56% vs. 39%, among the born again Christians interviewed from each segment)
- have ever participated in a short-term missions trip, either within the U.S. or in another country (12% vs. 6%)
The Faith Alignments of Liberals and Conservatives
Most liberals, as well as conservatives, consider themselves to be Christian. However, the proportion of adults in each group who embrace that identity differs significantly: 94% of conservatives call themselves Christians, while just 74% of liberals do so.
There were other distinctions regarding the faith groups with which these ideological opposites were aligned. For instance:
- 2% of conservatives and 11% of liberals were atheist or agnostic
- 15% of conservatives and 2% of liberals were Christian evangelicals
- conservatives were twice as likely as liberals to be categorized as born again, based on their theological views about salvation (63% vs. 32%)
- 21% of conservatives were associated with the Catholic church, compared to 30% among the liberals.
The Political Impact of Faith Choices
In reviewing the findings, lead researcher George Barna noted the different tendencies of each ideological segment.
“Liberals appear to place a greater emphasis upon self-reliance and what they personally accomplish than upon faith alone or intense participation in a community of faith,” Barna explained. “They also seem less inclined to trust the Bible as a moral authority or source of truth, and have less involvement in some type of personal relationship with their god.”
“Conservatives are more active in a wide range of religious behaviors, both individual and corporate,” the researcher continued. “They are also more connected to their deity, seeing God as more personal, interactive and involved in their lives than do liberals.”
But hey...this was written by man......and what does man know?
Be cool
I didn't say you were evil and you clearly have a reading comprehension problem. I said what you promote in the political and social sphere is evil and your vote and your efforts serve Satan, not the Lord. You are deceived into thinking that covetousness is virtue, theft is justice, that government has the right to force people to buy insurance, and that even though abortion is wrong, our laws should not protect the lives of the unborn, which makes you pro abortion by the toggle of default. You support the prevalence of moral depravity whether it be the homosexual agenda, boys using girls restrooms because he thinks he's a girl, or the proliferation of drug addiction through legalization. You do all this with your vote. Liberalism is demonic, every aspect of it without a single exception. It's entirely a product of hell.Tex said:
And you vote for it. Bien Hecho!
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
So how can you serve satan and believe that liberalism is good when it is so obviously demonic, according to you, Vale AND not be evil?
I pay no taxes, praise God! The Lord stressed that the children of God are free from taxation (Mat. 17:26). But if you prefer the bondage, then by all means carry on.
As I’ve shown you, from the Constitution itself, the system is antichrist. So why are you (and the majority) supporting it?
They’re not MY “founding fathers.” Why would you claim they’re yours?
Well, which is it then? The Constitution is good, and you and everyone should follow it? or, The Constitution is bad, and no believers should follow it? A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. You can’t have it both ways.
I’m not a ”Christian.” I am a born again follower of Jesus Christ. “Christian” is a mere label, used by those OF the world to describe those NOT of the world; whereas, “born again” is an ACTION. Likewise, I am no "realist."
The people of God have stepped off their original foundation and taken on the words of the world to re-define themselves. When you re-define yourself, Christ no longer defines you. Many have adopted the ways of the world and adopted its words to describe themselves e.g. “liberal.” When the humanist interprets reality around him, he has only his own categories of thought to use as a reference for meaning, but the bondmen of Jesus the Christ have his Spirit and his words.
Ephesians 4:17-18, "This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles [the natural man] walk, in the vanity of their mind [reason], Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance [of not knowing the Power of Words] that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:"
So we really have to look to the Lord for everything and he will remove that blindness of the heart. "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God" (1 Corinthians 2:14), therefore his heart remains blind.
We know that the governments of men exist to keep the 'low and lawless forms of humanity' from doing violence to all, including themselves, and as our Father's rod of correction for his children. God uses Caesar to regulate corporations and the natural man. Corporations and ungodly men do not live by God's Law, thus they are both 'low and lawless' in the eyes of God, and in the eyes of man, and to control them, they must be under some kind of law, or there will be anarchy. Without the law of God in you, a regulatable personality must be created to protect others from you! This is the purpose of legal personalities and other labels e.g. “liberal.”
Therefore, if you use the words of the world, or do the deeds of the world, they will perceive you to be of the world, and Caesar will acquire jurisdiction over you. To avoid being regulated by Caesar, all one must do is avoid the things of Caesar and fully partake of the things of God.
Because I believe people like you are deceived. You work against God's righteousness and promote the forces of immorality, but do so under the sway of deception. But more to that, Protestants believe in imputed righteousness, that Christ's perfect, sinless record becomes our own when we are saved, so even Tex knows better than to say what he did.aspen said:
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
S4C - hope you never make use of services funded by taxpayers - I would hate to think of you as a thief.
Since when does being deceived save anyone from being evil. It didn't save Eve.
Since when does being deceived save anyone from being evil. It didn't save Eve.
If one starts from the philosophical premise that the money doesn't belong to government either, then the restoration of that money to it's rightful owners, the people, is not thievery. Leftists think that people's money belongs to government, which is why they absurdly claim that we have to find ways to "pay" for tax cuts, as if government were somehow being cheated when people are forced to give up less of their own money. It's one of the many ways you people have turned reason and sanity on its head.aspen said:
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