I have a question that remains unanswered:

[David in NJ]

There is only one church jn 10:16 established by Christ on the apostles eph 2:20

correction = One Church established by God thru Christ and the Holy Spirit

Built upon HIMSELF = CHRIST is the CHIEF Cornerstone - not any of the Apostles.

The Apostles are living stones that were added by God to Christ just as each and everyone whom HE calls out of darkness and into His Kingdom.

Listen to the Apostle Peter: 1 Peter 2

Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, 5you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture,
“Behold, I lay in Zion
A chief cornerstone, elect, precious,
And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.”
Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient,
“The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone,”
and
“A stone of stumbling
And a rock of offense.”
They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.

But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

Do not be disobedient to the Word, as those who continue to reject

 

[David in NJ]

yes it follows logically that Saul was persecuting the church

Jesus said why persecute me?

so christ and his church are one

Also 1 Tim 3:15 the church is the pillar of truth, jn 14:6 Christ is the truth

eph 5:32

Christ and his church are one
Or Christ continues his mission and ministry in the church

That One Church is not in Rome - HIS BODY is HIS Church - 1 Peter 2

That is why Christ said what HE said to Saul in Acts 9

 

[David in NJ]

Crazy catholics on one side, delusional Unitarians on the other. Whats a protestant to do.

Well i see you have your nuts today - lol

 

[Truman]

You think you got it hard...try being a Messianic Joe!

 

[David in NJ]

That One Church is not in Rome - HIS BODY is HIS Church - 1 Peter 2

You think you got it hard...try being a Messianic Joe!

Yes, Brother - and in harmony and line with this is - "believing every word that proceeds from the mouth of God."

Seems to be an option, depending what religion one clings to.

 

[Truman]

Yes, Brother - and in harmony and line with this is - "believing every word that proceeds from the mouth of God."

Seems to be an option, depending what religion one clings to.

I hate man-made religion...I cling to God.

 

[theefaith]

[QUOTE="Wrangler,

ain’t that beautiful!


The race of man, after its miserable fall from God, the Creator and the Giver of heavenly gifts, "through the envy of the devil," separated into two diverse and opposite parts, of which the one steadfastly contends for truth and virtue, the other of those things which are contrary to virtue and to truth. The one is the kingdom of God on earth, namely, the true Church of Jesus Christ; and those who desire from their heart to be united with it, so as to gain salvation, must of necessity serve God and His only-begotten Son with their whole mind and with an entire will. The other is the kingdom of Satan, in whose possession and control are all whosoever follow the fatal example of their leader and of our first parents, those who refuse to obey the divine and eternal law, and who have many aims of their own in contempt of God, and many aims also against God.

2. This twofold kingdom St. Augustine keenly discerned and described after the manner of two cities, contrary in their laws because striving for contrary objects; and with a subtle brevity he expressed the efficient cause of each in these words: "Two loves formed two cities: the love of self, reaching even to contempt of God, an earthly city; and the love of God, reaching to contempt of self, a heavenly one."(1) At every period of time each has been in conflict with the other, with a variety and multiplicity of weapons and of warfare, although not always with equal ardour and assault. At this period, however, the partisans of evil seems to be combining together, and to be struggling with united vehemence, led on or assisted by that strongly organized and widespread association called the Freemasons. No longer making any secret of their purposes, they are now boldly rising up against God Himself. They are planning the destruction of holy Church publicly and openly, and this with the set purpose of utterly despoiling the nations of Christendom, if it were possible, of the blessings obtained for us through Jesus Christ our Saviour. Lamenting these evils, We are constrained by the charity which urges Our heart to cry out often to God: "For lo, Thy enemies have made a noise; and they that hate Thee have lifted up the head. They have taken a malicious counsel against Thy people, and they have consulted against Thy saints. They have said, 'come, and let us destroy them, so that they be not a nation.'(2)

 

[theefaith]

See how our fathers have such care for our souls!

 

[theefaith]

You believe Jesus was just a man then?

no fully God and fully man
And really died

 

[theefaith]

I'm faithless as pertains to the Roman rite church, yes.

And no, that's not supporting the use of relics as having holy power.
The man described had an accident. He fell into the grave and revived when he struck the bones. That's not a ritual that's an accidental fall.
Further, it doesn't say the man that fell was dead.
Lastly, there is no admonition to resort to relics for any supernatural purpose. Quite the opposite really. 2 Kings 18:4

1 Corinthians 6:19-20
What? know ye not that your body is thetemple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

That’s why Christians are buried in consecrated ground

 

[Wrangler]

no fully God and fully man
And really died

So. God is dead in your estimation?

 

[theefaith]

So. God is dead in your estimation?

not his divinity no
Christ died
Humanity died

 

[theefaith]

But since Christ is God you could say God died as long as you understand the divinity cannot die

Some do call it decide

 

[theefaith]

So. God is dead in your estimation?

God died and rose from the dead
So no God is not dead

 

[theefaith]

When are you going to become a Christian?

 

[Pythagorean12]

no fully God and fully man
And really died

God can die?
Jesus resurrected to show the flesh isn't as limited as we think. The flesh is of and from God.

 

[Pythagorean12]

When are you going to become a Christian?

When are you going to become a Christian?

 

[theefaith]

God can die?
Jesus resurrected to show the flesh isn't as limited as we think. The flesh is of and from God.

yes God can die
But not the divine nature

 

[theefaith]

When are you going to become a Christian?

I was referring to wrangler who rejects the divinity of Christ and the trinity which are distinct Christian doctrines

 

[theefaith]

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

Saul was persecuting the church, and Christ said “why persecute me”? Acts 9:4

Rebellion and rejection of the church or apostles or council or teaching of church or apostles or council is rebellion and rejection of Christ!

Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

The church and the apostles exist by his commands and authority! Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 20:21-23

An attack on the church is an attack on Christ!

There is an unbreakable union between Christ and His Holy Church!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Lk 10:16 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Gates of hell shall NOT PREVAIL!

There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors, it is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 16:18 One fold
Jn 10:16 the household of faith! Gal 6:10

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Christ and His church are one, what Christ did the church continues to do, the church is an extension of Christ!
To attack the church is to attack Christ!
Acts 9:4 Jn 20:21-23


Eph 5: 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, so send in you. (The apostles) posses the same power mission and authority as Christ!
Peter, the apostles and their successors!

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18
matt 28:19 Jn 20:21-23 Isa 22:21-22
eph 2:20

Ephesians 5:24
Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ...

There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors, it is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 16:18 One fold
Jn 10:16 the household of faith! Gal 6:10

The church is the ark of salvation, to attack the church is to attack salvation!

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)