I have my doubts that Catholicism is Christianity

[Ronald Nolette]

I'm glad some are getting saved. What happens to them afterward.....I hope they are leaving Catholicism for the most part? Otherwise they are in danger of losing what they had received in Christ by being led far astray.

Sorry Liz, but when someone gets saved, they are saved forever.

Every sect has garbage doctrine, but having bad doctrine doesn't unsave you, just hampers your fellowship with God and growth in the faith.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No need He knows what He said. Profitable is not the same as sole or only except to you folks.

You must be a Roman Catholic.

2 Timothy 3:16-17

King James Version

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16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

It does say the Scriptures will make the man of God mature, and completely furnished for all good works. No other writings or sayings are included here. Arguing from absence or silence is no argument at all.

 

[Behold]

The Bible is adamantly clear that we must cooperate with God’s grace.

The only way to cooperate with God's Grace is to Trust in Christ, as that is How you : "obey the Gospel"

To "obey the gospel" is to BELIEVE IT..

The idea that ALL we have to do is “believe” is condemned by Scripture.

You just denied Paul's Gospel, again, as does the Salvation Doctrine of the MaryCult.

Paul's Gospel is '"Jutification by faith" without works, deeds of the law, or water baptism.

The MaryCult denies this, and substitutes a works based + water baptism, as their Religions denial of Paul's Gospel.

Paul exposes the MaryCult as : Galatians 1:8

 

[nedsk]

You must be a Roman Catholic.

2 Timothy 3:16-17​

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King James Version​

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16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

It does say the Scriptures will make the man of God mature, and completely furnished for all good works. No other writings or sayings are included here. Arguing from absence or silence is no argument at all.

It says it is "profitable" and to that end it is profitable but no where does Scripture say it alone is the sole authority. Paul is quite clear that people should should stand for and hold fast to the traditions they were taught word of mouth or by letters.

 

[Behold]

Paul is quite clear that people should should stand for and hold fast to the traditions they were taught word of mouth or by letters.

The "letters" were the Apostles letters.
These make up the New Testament.
They do not constitute the "doctrine of devils' MaryCult ("Marian Devotion") doctrine.
See, you learned something, @nedsk

 

[BreadOfLife]

The only way to cooperate with God's Grace is to Trust in Christ, as that is How you : "obey the Gospel"

To "obey the gospel" is to BELIEVE IT..

That’s NOT what Jesus says . . .

Matt. 25:41-46
Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Matthew 7:21-23:
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who DOES THE WILL of my Father in heaven."

It’s NOT just about believing. It’s also about DOING His will . . .

You just denied Paul's Gospel, again, as does the Salvation Doctrine of the MaryCult.
Paul's Gospel is '"Jutification by faith" without works, deeds of the law, or water baptism.
The MaryCult denies this, and substitutes a works based + water baptism, as their Religions denial of Paul's Gospel.
Paul exposes the MaryCult as : Galatians 1:8

WRONG again, son . . .

Paul doesn’t even consider faith to be the greatest virtue. Ha said the LOVE/charity is a greater virtue
1 Cor. 13:2
If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

If you cherry-pick verses like Gal. 2:16, you come to the erroneous conclusion that Paul disregarded cooperating with grace. He didn’t.

Rom. 2:6-7
For he will render to every man according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

In Gal. 5:6 – he says "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but ONLY faith WORKING through love."

Learn how to read the Bible in CONTEXT . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You must be a Roman Catholic.

2 Timothy 3:16-17​

King James Version​

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16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

It does say the Scriptures will make the man of God mature, and complet the BIBLE is our SOLE Authority.ely furnished for all good works. No other writings or sayings are included here. Arguing from absence or silence is no argument at all.

EPIC FAIL.

Now show me where the Bible says that the BIBLE is our SOLE Authority . . .

 

[David in NJ]

Ok, as soon as you show where Jesus and the apostles conducted marriage and funeral ceremonies, administered confirmation, made the sign of the cross, had Bible studies, and other rituals that Protestants perform.

You don't need to know in advance if I will understand or not in order to follow through and show that you can support your assertions. So, when the Rosary meditation prayer is prayed as intended to be, explain how it's vain repetition. And, if I've been deceived, quote the part(s) in post #171 that are untrue.

So, when the Rosary meditation prayer is prayed as intended to be, explain how it's vain repetition.

You claim to have understanding but cannot understand the word "repititous"!!!

repetitious /rĕp″ĭ-tĭsh′əs/

adjective​

1. Filled with repetition, especially needless or tedious repetition.
2. Repeating; containing repetition.
   Similar: repeating
3. Characterized by repetition, especially excessive repetition.

 

[David in NJ]

EPIC FAIL.

Now show me where the Bible says that the BIBLE is our SOLE Authority . . .

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 3:16

 

[BreadOfLife]

The "letters" were the Apostles letters.
These make up the New Testament.
They do not constitute the "doctrine of devils' MaryCult ("Marian Devotion") doctrine.
See, you learned something, @nedsk

WRONG.

The NT Letters are the surviving letters that made it into the Canon of Scripture. There were others written by the Apostles that didn't.
For example - Paul's Letter to the Laodiceans mentioned in Col. 4:16. There is also a missing Letter to the Corinthians mentioned in 1 Cor. 5:9.

The "Traditions" spoken of in 2 Thess. 2:15 encompass ALL of the oral and written teachings.
Do your homework . . .

 

[David in NJ]

It says it is "profitable" and to that end it is profitable but no where does Scripture say it alone is the sole authority. Paul is quite clear that people should should stand for and hold fast to the traditions they were taught word of mouth or by letters.

It does say Scripture alone by the fact of deference made to it with no other options given.

This fact is repeated thru the Holy Scriptures = beginning in Genesis

 

[BreadOfLife]

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 3:16

"Profitable" does NOT mean "exclusive".
It doesn't even HINT at that . . .

 

[Behold]

That’s NOT what Jesus says . . .

Jesus came preaching to the Jews.

His Ministry was 3.5 yrs, to the "house of Israel".

Is that You? Is that the MaryCult?

So, Paul is the "apostle to the Gentiles' who gave the body of Christ THE Doctrine for the Church, ... and its Paul's Gospel, that came from Jesus, that said to you., that our: "faith is counted by GOD, as Righteousness"

FAITH IN CHRIST......or "All who believe in Jesus shall be saved".

So, when a person Trusts in Christ.......then God accepts their Faith........and saves them = "Justification by Faith".

So, Paul's Gospel, is "Grace through Faith", without works, or deeds of the law, or water baptism.

A.) This is "Justfication by FAITH"..........

In Gal. 5:6 – he says "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but ONLY faith WORKING through love."

Im not going to ask you to try to explain what "working through love" means... in the context of Faith, as you dont know.

So, again......there is "THE Gospel".. and this came From JESUS, and was revealed to : PAUL.

Paul revealed it to Peter in Acts 15, 15 Yrs after Jesus was back in Heaven.

Paul's Gospel, is THE GOSPEL and all others are defined as False by PAUL. including yours @BreadOfLife ......... Galatians 1:8

Paul's Gospel of "Faith in Christ" or "Justification by Faith" = has no water baptism in it, so, that is just one more NT DENIAL of the False MaryCult Gospel that teaches that WATER is related to forgiveness of sin, and of course that is the CC lie entitled "baptismal regeneration".

ANd if you run back to : "And Noah was saved by Water"... i'll show you again, that Had Noah gotten in the Water with his family, they would have DIED.

And, if you then try this one.....>"the like figure.....whereunto water baptism saves".. then i'll educate you on what a "FIGURE" is....that is showing the context...........as this is showing that the WATER Baptism is "symbolic" or a "figure" = "figurative". @BreadOfLife

 

[David in NJ]

"Profitable" does NOT mean "exclusive".
It doesn't even HINT at that . . .

Sure it does

The ONLY element that the Holy Apostle Paul defers us to is the Holy Scriptures!

 

[BreadOfLife]

It does say Scripture alone by the fact of deference made to it with no other options given.

This fact is repeated thru the Holy Scriptures = beginning in Genesis

That's a WEAK argument.
Soooo, I guess the following verses based on ORAL Tradition are all bogus??

Matt. 2:23 - the prophecy "He shall be a Nazarene" is ORAL TRADITION. It is not found in the Old Testament. This demonstrates that the apostles relied upon oral tradition and taught by oral tradition.

Matt 23:2 - Jesus relies on the ORAL TRADITION of acknowledging Moses' seat of authority (which passed from Moses to Joshua to the Sanhedrin). This is not recorded in the Old Testament.

1 Cor. 10:4 - Paul relies on the ORAL TRADITION of the rock following Moses. It is not recorded in the Old Testament. See Exod. 17:1-17 and Num. 20:2-13.

2 Timothy 3:8 - Paul relies on the ORAL TRADITION when speaking of Pharoah’s magicians, Jannes and Jambres. Their names are not recorded in the Old Testament.

Heb. 11:37 - the author of Hebrews relies on the ORAL TRADITION of the martyrs being sawed in two. This is not recorded in the Old Testament.

Jude 9 - Jude relies on the ORAL TRADITION of the Archangel Michael's dispute with satan over Moses' body. This is not found in the Old Testament.

Jude 14-15 - Jude relies on the ORAL TRADITION of Enoch's prophecy which is not recorded in the Old Testament.

 

[Behold]

WRONG.

The NT Letters are the surviving letters that made it into the Canon of Scripture. T

THe NT Letters (Epistles) were originally written by the remaining Apostles, and most of them that are Paul's Letters.

When Peter was alive, he had Paul's Letters.....>He said in 2nd Peter, that Paul's letters are : SCRIPTURE.

(See any bible for the update).

 

[BreadOfLife]

Jesus came preaching to the Jews.

His Ministry was 3.5 yrs, to the "house of Israel".

Is that You? Is that the MaryCult?

So, Paul is the "apostle to the Gentiles' who gave the body of Christ THE Doctrine for the Church, ... and its Paul's Gospel, that came from Jesus, that said to you., that our: "faith is counted by GOD, as Righteousness"

FAITH IN CHRIST......or "All who believe in Jesus shall be saved".

So, when a person Trusts in Christ.......then God accepts their Faith........and saves them = "Justification by Faith".

So, Paul's Gospel, is "Grace through Faith", without works, or deeds of the law, or water baptism.

A.) This is "Justfication by FAITH"..........

That's a really stupid argument.

Soooo, yo're saying that since Jesus came to teach ONLY the Jews - WE are free NOT to listen to Him..
Good luck with that, Einstein . . .

Im not going to ask you to try to explain what "working through love" means... in the context of Faith, as you dont know.

Of course you won't - because you CAN'T.
It's Biblical TRUTH . . .

So, again......there is "THE Gospel".. and this came From JESUS, and was revealed to : PAUL.

Paul revealed it to Peter in Acts 15, 15 Yrs after Jesus was back in Heaven.

Paul's Gospel, is THE GOSPEL and all others are defined as False by PAUL. including yours @BreadOfLife ......... Galatians 1:8

Soooo, the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are "FALSE"??

Paul's Gospel of "Faith in Christ" or "Justification by Faith" = has no water baptism in it, so, that is just one more NT DENIAL of the False MaryCult Gospel that teaches that WATER is related to forgiveness of sin, and of course that is the CC lie entitled "baptismal regeneration".

ANd if you run back to : "And Noah was saved by Water"... i'll show you again, that Had Noah gotten in the Water with his family, they would have DIED.

And, if you then try this one.....>"the like figure.....whereunto water baptism saves".. then i'll educate you on what a "FIGURE" is....that is showing the context...........as this is showing that the WATER Baptism is "symbolic" or a "figure" = "figurative". @BreadOfLife

And necessary (John 3:5, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:37-38). . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Sure it does

The ONLY element that the Holy Apostle Paul defers us to is the Holy Scriptures!

Wanna BET??

1 Cor. 7:10 - Paul relies on the ORAL TRADITION of the apostles to give the charge of Jesus that a wife should not separate from her husband.

1 Cor. 10:4 - Paul relies on the ORAL TRADITION of the rock following Moses. It is not recorded in the Old Testament. See Exod. 17:1-17 and Num. 20:2-13.

2 Timothy 3:8 - Paul relies on the ORAL TRADITION when speaking of Pharoah’s magicians, Jannes and Jambres. Their names are not recorded in the Old Testament.

Eph 5:14 - Paul relies on ORAL TRADITION to quote an early Christian hymn - "awake O sleeper rise from the dead and Christ shall give you light."

 

[BreadOfLife]

THe NT Letters (Epistles) were originally written by the remaining Apostles, and most of them that are Paul's Letters.

When Peter was alive, he had Paul's Letters.....>He said in 2nd Peter, that Paul's letters are : SCRIPTURE.

(See any bible for the update).

I agree.

However - since Paul's Letters were Scripture - what about his MISSUNG Letters?
Aren't they ALSO Scripture? And if they ARE - then your Bible is incomplete- according to YOUR standard . . .

 

[Behold]

That's a really stupid argument.

How could a person involved with Peter and Mary mania, feel that Paul's Teaching isn't "stupid"?
So, Of course that is the only option you have to believe.

See, the MaryCult is not built on Paul's NT Doctrine for the Church.
Its entirely built on "Marian Devotion" false theology, and a steady succession of False Popes and what they taught.
The newest one is getting rid of some of St. Francis's morally warped teachings, and not a day too soon.

Soooo, yo're saying that since Jesus came to teach ONLY the Jews

What im showing you, is that The Gospel that Paul was given by Jesus, after Jesus was back in Heaven..., was not given to the other 12 Apostles when Jesus was here on the earth only ministering to the Jews. (House of Israel).

So, The Cross of Christ birthed the NT "body of Christ", which is mostly GENTILES......not Jews.
And, this is why Paul's Gospel is unique, as He is the """Apostle to the Gentiles"""., which makes up most of the New Covenant body of Christ, for the last 2000 yrs.

Now.......When the Tribulation starts then the "time of the Gentiles"" has ended , and Paul's Gosple is no longer found, because God has resumed His dealing with the Jew.

Soooo, the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are "FALSE"??

'"Gospels" ?
They dont all have different ones....

And again........go to Galatians 1:8, and read what Paul says about any OTHER Gospel, then HIS..

Its clear as a bell., and is not a myth.