I have my doubts that Catholicism is Christianity

[Ronald Nolette]

I guess the reformers didnt believe it all either. Many of them were catholic priests.

Yes, the reformation was Gods answer to a millennia of going in the wrong direction.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Did you remain in Catholicism once you realized the truth about that institution? I was saved in a cessationist church and even left that soon after realizing they didn't believe God still speaks to people or does miracles today. Way back in high school (Catholic) I attended a charismatic "Altreya" weekend where they tried to convert by emotions with no clear preaching of the gospel. Salvation and being born again is a real thing done by the Holy Spirit, not by emotional manipulation, as I thankfully found out later.

Well I was asked to leave or face a Dominican Tribunal on the charge of heresy.

Emotionalism runs rampant in many denominations. but the gospel still reigns supreme.

 

[Origen]

Here you go, Origen. Cue the gymnastics routine.

The 15 promises
These are the 15 promises of the Blessed Virgin Mary to the faithful who pray the Rosary:

1. Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive signal graces.

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And, serve Her in what way(s)? See the words in red and bold in your quote.

 

[NotTheRock]

And, serve Her in what way(s)?

There is less than ZERO chance that Mary would ask people to "serve her". The Catholics made it up or they were deceived by a dark spirit pretending to be Mary. Again, Paul warned us of this type of deception. Many Christians heeded this warning; Catholics did not. They are deceived.

 

[SavedInHim]

I have my doubts that Catholicism is Christianity

That's because it isn't; your instincts are right. They use a lot of trappings of Christianity, but at their core they're not Christian at all. It's false Christianity.

 

[Lizbeth]

Well I was asked to leave or face a Dominican Tribunal on the charge of heresy.

Oooooh, sounds scary brother......and the intimidation is on purpose......and in earlier centuries true believers faced much worse at the hands of that institution.

Emotionalism runs rampant in many denominations. but the gospel still reigns supreme.

Unfortunately the gospel is not reigning in the Catholic church, or even preached and taught for the most part, or maybe we could say they hide it in the fine print, or that it is relegated to a back pew. Yes, there are many protestant churches which are also apostate nowadays and we should not excuse them either, but contend for the true faith and warn against what they do and teach. The Lord has led many souls to "come out of her" the last twenty years or more.........lest we receive of her plagues. It's been like another "exodus" (which happened unto Israel and was written for our example). It so often looks as if the enemy is winning, yet the Lord always reserves for Himself a remnant.....it is and always has really been about the remnant. As the Lord said to Elijah, and as Isaiah wrote.

 

[Origen]

There is less than ZERO chance that Mary would ask people to "serve her".

That depends on in what way(s) She's asking to be served. In post #165, you referred to a request by Mary asking people to serve Her—perform a duty or service for—by praying the Rosary to help bring world peace and convert souls to God. Why would She not do that?

 

[Lizbeth]

It is not possible to be mistaken between God and Satan, between heavenly and hellish voices, if the one who hears them bears in mind not the delights of the words, but the effects which they produce. Satan can ape God in speech, but he cannot communicate that grace and peace which the words of God or of the spirits of light produce. He cannot produce grace and holiness because his words are always mixed with insinuations which cannot be accepted by a soul in grace. And he cannot produce a sense of peace because the soul in grace starts with horror at the hellish voices, and even if the individual has no other signs to recognize who the spirit speaking is, this shudder of the soul suffices to give man the signal that it is Darkness which is manifesting itself at that moment. Satan can deceive sinners dazed by sin, the thoughtless and unreflecting, the curious who out of excessive desire for knowledge, imprudently approach all founts. But he cannot deceive an upright spirit united to God. All he can do is disturb it, drawing near to it, or wounding it by his own action, or by that of unfortunates who, rarely realizing that they are doing so, much more readily unaware of doing so, at a given moment are instruments used by Satan to cause God's instruments pain and dismay. But then God intervenes and draws them away, into the clear, and saves them, bathing them in His ocean of peace and love. (BOA)

You prefer the words of man over the word of God, to your very great detriment. God warns and admonishes us not to be deceived all over the bible. The devil is transformed into an angel of light....in order to deceive. Open your ears my friend. Wolves in sheep's clothing...in order to deceive.

 

[Lizbeth]

That depends on in what way(s) She's asking to be served. In post #165, you referred to a request by Mary asking people to serve Her—perform a duty or service for—by praying the Rosary to help bring world peace and convert souls to God. Why would She not do that?

Rote prayers don't sway the Lord. He calls it vain repetitions....like the pagans do. Where on earth does the Lord talk about "praying" a thing called a "rosary" in the word He left us? I'm afraid you've been......deceived.

 

[Lizbeth]

If you think that I've been deceived, quote the part(s) in post #171 that are untrue.



Assuming you understand what a "vain repetition" is, explain how the Rosary is an example of one.



Scriptures in the Rosary.

Show me where Jesus and the apostles "prayed the rosary". Come to Jesus and walk in His simplicity. Religion and rote is of the flesh. It's not something easily explained to those who are not born of the Spirit.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Oooooh, sounds scary brother......and the intimidation is on purpose......and in earlier centuries true believers faced much worse at the hands of that institution.

Unfortunately the gospel is not reigning in the Catholic church, or even preached and taught for the most part, or maybe we could say they hide it in the fine print, or that it is relegated to a back pew. Yes, there are many protestant churches which are also apostate nowadays and we should not excuse them either, but contend for the true faith and warn against what they do and teach. The Lord has led many souls to "come out of her" the last twenty years or more.........lest we receive of her plagues. It's been like another "exodus" (which happened unto Israel and was written for our example). It so often looks as if the enemy is winning, yet the Lord always reserves for Himself a remnant.....it is and always has really been about the remnant. As the Lord said to Elijah, and as Isaiah wrote.

We can argue all the bad points of Catholicism. there are many to go around. However Many Catholica are still being saved today because the gospel is still found in the muddy waters of the RCC.

 

[NotTheRock]

That depends on in what way(s) She's asking to be served. In post #165, you referred to a request by Mary asking people to serve Her—perform a duty or service for—by praying the Rosary to help bring world peace and convert souls to God. Why would She not do that?

She would never say "serve me".

You should stick to the teachings of the Bible. There is nothing there about praying to Mary. Pray to God.

 

[Lizbeth]

We can argue all the bad points of Catholicism. there are many to go around. However Many Catholica are still being saved today because the gospel is still found in the muddy waters of the RCC.

I'm glad some are getting saved. What happens to them afterward.....I hope they are leaving Catholicism for the most part? Otherwise they are in danger of losing what they had received in Christ by being led far astray.

 

[Origen]

She would never say "serve me".

And, the reason why Mary wouldn't ever say, nor has ever just said, "Serve me", without specifying in what way(s), is because She's not unintelligible.

You should stick to the teachings of the Bible. There is nothing there about praying to Mary. Pray to God.

There are many things not in Scripture. For example, not everything that Jesus did. (Jn. 21:25)

 

[NotTheRock]

And, the reason why Mary wouldn't ever say, nor has ever just said, "Serve me", without specifying in what way(s), is because She's not unintelligible.



There are many things not in Scripture. For example, not everything that Jesus did. (Jn. 21:25)

I'm going to put you on "ignore" because there is nothing fruitful or edifying from interacting with you. Good luck.

 

[NotTheRock]

Here is one Catholic apologist's summary of what one must do and believe in order to be saved.

Faith alone will not save a person. To attain salvation, a person must, in response to God’s grace, fulfill the following: believe in God, put his faith in Jesus, repent of his sins, be baptized, remain within the fold of the Church, hope in God, persevere in charity, and finally, die in a state of grace.


Full article:

What must I do to be saved?

What does the Catholic Church teach about how a person gets to Heaven?

aleteia.org

 

[Triumph1300]

Here is one Catholic apologist's summary of what one must do and believe in order to be saved.

Faith alone will not save a person. To attain salvation, a person must, in response to God’s grace, fulfill the following: believe in God, put his faith in Jesus, repent of his sins, be baptized, remain within the fold of the Church, hope in God, persevere in charity, and finally, die in a state of grace.


Full article:

What must I do to be saved?

What does the Catholic Church teach about how a person gets to Heaven?

aleteia.org

A Gospel of "Works".
Trying in vain to work one self into heaven."
work....work...work....and work some more.

Works come as a result of Salvation.
Salvation does not come through works.

 

[BreadOfLife]

A Gospel of "Works".
Trying in vain to work one self into heaven."
work....work...work....and work some more.

Works come as a result of Salvation.
Salvation does not come through works.

The Bible is adamantly clear that we must cooperate with God’s grace.

The idea that ALL we have to do is “believe” is condemned by Scripture. That is not “Faith”. James 2:19 tells us that even the DEMONS do that much.

Faith is belief, surrender and cooperation. It’s not about “working” or “earning”. It’s about DOING the will of God. You cannot be saved unless you DO His will.

You need to stop cheery-picking verses - and study the Scripture in CONTEXT . . .

 

[nedsk]

You need to take that up with God. He is the one who said it.

No need He knows what He said. Profitable is not the same as sole or only except to you folks.

 

[Triumph1300]

You cannot be saved unless you DO His will.

Doing God's will comes as a result of Salvation.
Once a person is Born Again, the Holy Spirit will convince a person to do God's will.

You got it upside down, you think works will bring salvation.
Typical Roman Catholic demonic doctrine!

Good thing Martin Luther was raised up by God and straightened all that out.