You make a film with them to let them know you understand.....caught up ? what does that mean ? you can't find anything else do that brings you as much money so because of your love of money you stick with it...i can rob banks and sell drugs and make alot more money than i do as an employee at a company...of all the thngs modern christianity has come up with the innocent victim sinner is one of the best.
I love the "Entertainment Industry" and I love money....Does god?
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You make a film with them to let them know you understand.....caught up ? what does that mean ? you can't find anything else do that brings you as much money so because of your love of money you stick with it...i can rob banks and sell drugs and make alot more money than i do as an employee at a company...of all the thngs modern christianity has come up with the innocent victim sinner is one of the best.
Yeah....you might want to clarify what you mean here...
Many of the women 'caught' in the porn or prostitution industry are victims, plain and simple. They are abused, raped, sold, drugged. Some continue doing it because they cannot get out, some keep doing it because they don't feel they deserve any better as they've been abused from childhood. Sure, there are some there who enjoy it, who do it solely for the money. But you are sadly mistaken if you think all of them are 'free' to get out if and when they want. Sin is slavery, remember, and sometimes, that slavery is hard to escape from, whether its because of emotional issues, or because someone else is physically restraining them.
Sometimes what these people need is for us to tell them Jesus loves them, that he forgives and cleanses them...that he sets us free. We don't get involved with the porn, because that totally negates what Jesus' message is. John tells us we are to stand as a light in this world, that we must stand in the light. You don't dive into a cesspit and try to convince people that light exists somewhere else...you stand outside the pit and call them to the light, knowing that as you talk to them, they can see the truth of the light where you are.
No one will ever humble themselves before God and repent of anything they don't think is realy their fault,the one who is robbed at gun point does not repent of the fact that he was in the wrong place at the wrong time or the fact that he left his house in the first place,the very nature of a victim and victimhood says that it was and is not my fault,people can indeed lure and tempt others to sin but in the end it is their choice.....the new word for sin is addiction,while searching webster's definitions for addiction the word responsability is no where to be found.
The bible tells us that we sin when we are drawn to it by our own lust and desires and sinful nature,not when somebody jumps us out of the shadows,someone doing that can produce a temporary situation perhaps but we are still responsable for our reaction to it...how is it that the bible tells us to overcome evil with good,yet in our time we overcome evil with evil then excuse the second evil as being a victim of the first...also in our feminist society women are always seen as victims...the bible contains no such distinction...it says that we are all accountable to God
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
ok- that is crazy. Repenting for leaving your house? What happens if you avoid the robber because you decide to stay home, but you cut your finger off making dinner; do you have to repent for staying home? Insanity! No wonder you sound so bitter, Strat - you are always wrong, no matter what you do!
Repent means 'to turn from' - it means to look to God for our well being and happiness instead of our selves. It does not mean that we are supposed to be sorry for being born.
My stereo in my car was stolen the other day - I live in a poor neighborhood. The next day I realized I forgot to lock my car doors - got distracted by my dogs. Ok, I was angry for half a day, but I quickly realized that I am actually grateful no one broke into my car to get it. I didn't have to pay a dime to get anything fixed - what a relief! But, am I going to repent for not locking my doors? No! I didn't do anything wrong. Sometimes things just happen - perhaps God wants me to spend time with Him when I am driving - like used to before I got the stereo (only had it for about 6 months). In an case, I am going to take advantage of the new found time with God.
Being grateful for what you have is important, but feeling crappy about your faults and sins is giving into the slavery of sin, all over again.
Repent means 'to turn from' - it means to look to God for our well being and happiness instead of our selves. It does not mean that we are supposed to be sorry for being born.
My stereo in my car was stolen the other day - I live in a poor neighborhood. The next day I realized I forgot to lock my car doors - got distracted by my dogs. Ok, I was angry for half a day, but I quickly realized that I am actually grateful no one broke into my car to get it. I didn't have to pay a dime to get anything fixed - what a relief! But, am I going to repent for not locking my doors? No! I didn't do anything wrong. Sometimes things just happen - perhaps God wants me to spend time with Him when I am driving - like used to before I got the stereo (only had it for about 6 months). In an case, I am going to take advantage of the new found time with God.
Being grateful for what you have is important, but feeling crappy about your faults and sins is giving into the slavery of sin, all over again.
I'm sorry. Are you, seriously, saying that the little children who are molested by their fathers/Uncles etc, are partly to blame...for 'luring and tempting' those people to sin. Do you really believe that the woman walking home after work because she can't afford a taxi or a car, and is jumped, beaten and raped, deserved it because she wasn't wearing a 'tent' that hid the fact she had boobs?
Strat...if you really believe that, then you need to repent. Big time.
The simple fact is that there are victims out there who have not sinned, but have been sinned against...and in saying what you just did, you sinned against them.
In one way I do not disagree with what you say...indeed there are many people who claim an 'addiction', or a 'disease', who probably need to 'man' up and face their sin. But if you don't place any qualification on what you say, you come across ignorant and arrogant against those people who truly are victims. Jesus died not just to forgive their sins (they're still human, so they have them...even if in being a victim that is not their sin)...but to cleanse them of the sin done to them. That is a beautiful thing to people who've been sinned against, and you're dismissing it. Until some of these people truly realise that Jesus can set them free from the horror of their pasts, they will never truly be free of the sin they are currently committing. So you must not make them feel they are to blame for what has been done to them...you are taking the role of the accuser...and that is not what Jesus would have of you.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Is there anything more to say about the industry you are involved in, which you will not disclose? Or the money and fame you are attracted to, but obviously feel guilty about? What do you think life is about, Tarmack?
All porn is going too far... :huh: unless you are there to assist people out of this industry...as a believer, you have no business being there..
Shalom!!!
So says the the whinny doctor of victimology and it ain't my fault....is it possible for you post without dispensing your uninformed and idiotic assumptions...i am not bitter,i just take responsability for myself and expect others to do the same.I also noticed that you couldn't resist telling what kind of neighborhood you live in... a poor one of course,because you are oh so compassionate and do so much for the poor that all must know about and can be in awe of you for.
That is a complete misrepresentation of what i said and complete nonsense displaying your own ignorance and arrogance along with a reading comprehension problem......i said we are responsable for our choices,show me scripture that says otherwise...i never said anything about child molestation,i never said anything about blaming rape victims...i never said anything about blaming victims for crimes committed aginst them,what i said was that sins committed against us are not an excuse and according to the bible will not be accepted as an excuse for our own sins.....when it comes to personal responsability for our sins there are no victims.....a woman who is involved in prostitution cannot blame anyone but herself for her continued involvement...what is the pimps excuse ? how about the John....surely none of them are to blame for anything,same for the liar,adulterer,fornicator,drunkard,ect,ect if they can point to some sin committed against them as an excuse.....the next time you choose to misrepresent me try using direct quotes to back it up instead instead of your own imagination...in this case it would have not worked at all.....the victim mentality will never humble itself before God...ever
Of course you would,why take the time to see if that is realy what i said when it feels much better to think somebody sympathetic to your veiws knocked one out of the park when they never even made it out of the dugout
No...its victimhood 101
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Ah I see, I am just bragging about living in a poor neighborhood........no wonder you think that poor people are arrogant - they aren't poor they are just bragging!! LOL
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How are Christians supposed to get involved in the porn industry? As I see it, the only involvement I will take is to declare it as "bad" and "addictive.". I would teach others to stay away from porn.
I agree. ALL porn is going too far. What is this "some" business? The human body is supposed to be treated with dignity and respect because our bodies are the dwelling place of the Holy Spirit.
Actually, it appears the problem may not lie with me. I comprehend fine. I communicate fine. If you don't want to be seen as saying something...perhaps take a little care with what you say and how you say it. This is not the first time that others have 'misrepresented' you...
I knew someone once who could not hold down a job...job after job he was fired...and it was always 'some one else's fault'. But really, after that many problems...the only common person...was him. He was arrogant and always had to be right and others needed to tell him he was wonderful.
Perhaps Strat, you need to take a deep breath and remember that a Christian needs to be humble and able to take advice. My advice is, you need to be more loving and understanding. If you didn't mean the above...then you just say it. You just say 'hey Rach, that's not what I meant...let me clarify what I meant'....and then I say 'sorry for that misunderstanding'...because honestly...people are not able to 'read between the lines. We see what you have written, that's all. That's all we can do. So for you to write something so very broad sweeping, and then accuse me of 'misrepresenting' you and make derogatory comments about my intelligence....is ridiculous. You may as well say 'how dare you not be a mind reader.' And you talk about my foolishness...
"Over the epitaph of this generation it will say ENTERTAINED TO DEATH." - Paul Washer
1Timothy:6:10: For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
1Timothy:6:10: For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
I see,so its your understanding of what i said that matters not what i actually said..even tho there are no quotes to back it up i am still responsable for your interpretation...what you are saying is you don't like what i said....fine..i read things here that sicken me and only respond to about 5% of it but i try to stick to what it is they said.
Let me quote you for a second, to try and make my point.
In the politics forum, you said:
"I have nothing personally against Aspen because I don't know him personally, I only respond to what is written here..."
Indeed, you don't know Aspen, so you can't know the background of the things he writes...you must only respond to what is written in front of you. That is all I have done. I responded to what you wrote. If I did not understand the context of what you had written because I don't know you, and I responded only to what was on page...you truly want to blame that on me?
Let me help you follow my reasoning...You said:
Now, I will grant you that if we are talking of people who believe that are sinning because of an 'addiction' and they can't help it, yeah...that could apply. But when you consider this is your response to my post about the very people who ARE victims...child abuse and rape, etc, then I don't see how I was to take your reply any way else...you most certainly didn't clarify it for me.
So perhaps you need to get off your high horse, and actually clarify if you want people to understand you correctly. It may help your communication issues here.
There is nothing wrong with viewing the female body.. and I believe Christians should not be ashamed of their bodies and sexuality. Remember god wants us to be sexually sane as well. Nudism is actually really cool. I know some people think its taboo, or immoral, I am not one of those people. Call me agnostic I don't care.
When I said to get involved with porn I'm talking about trying to change the industry as a whole. Cause if you don't get involved their might be worst things happening later on.. like what I mentioned before. I don't think some of those guys even realize what they have done on screen..but yeah, its a sin to the all mighty god!
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