I love the "Entertainment Industry" and I love money....Does god?

[elysian]

All porn is going too far... :huh: unless you are there to assist people out of this industry...as a believer, you have no business being there..

Shalom!!!

People need to support themselves. Is it as bad as politicians starting wars in Christ's name?

 

[Rach1370]

There is nothing wrong with viewing the female body.. and I believe Christians should not be ashamed of their bodies and sexuality. Remember god wants us to be sexually sane as well. Nudism is actually really cool. I know some people think its taboo, or immoral, I am not one of those people. Call me agnostic I don't care.

The only female body you should be viewing...is your wife's. Biblically, anything to do with sex that is not within the covenant of marriage, is sinful. God's whole point is that only sex & desire within the sphere of marriage can be healthy. When you take sex outside of what it was made for, inevitably people are hurt and used. So being 'sexually sane' is perfected in marriage, not outside of it. Nudism was cool before sin...too much fallen nature for it to be 'cool' now...

People need to support themselves. Is it as bad as politicians starting wars in Christ's name?

Just because one sin may not be as 'bad' as another sin (which to me suggests you're not even aware that in God's eyes, all sins are the same)...does not give us leave to do it. We could excuse absolutely anything under the guise of 'we've gotta make a living'. The drug lord who slaughters women and children does it to make money...and all his dirty little underlings who do unspeakable evil in his name do it to feed their families as well. Is it okay? Nope...and neither is getting involved with porn. It's sinful and it encourages sinful actions in others.

And he said to his disciples, “Temptations to sin are sure to come, but woe to the one through whom they come! It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin. (Luke 17:1-2 ESV)

 

[Angelina]

My quote:

...no, your behavior is odd. I am not your enemy...

Strat:

What is normal ?

You come across very defensive and your attitude toward other members seem unjustifiable...As a believer, we should be displaying a heck of a lot more patience and kindness...exhibiting Christ like behavior toward one another, even when we don't agree.... <_<

tarmack09

It seems like every time there is an offer on the table it is something that god would not like.

My point is this, others are getting more richer while I am getting poorer. What can god do for me about this? I feel like my only choice is to make a deal with the devil!

When I said to get involved with porn I'm talking about trying to change the industry as a whole. Cause if you don't get involved their might be worst things happening later on.. like what I mentioned before. I don't think some of those guys even realize what they have done on screen..but yeah, its a sin to the all mighty god!

How are you doing that if you want the money??? Your deceiving yourself if you think you can compromise this way and get away with it... :huh:

Galatians 6
7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

elysian

People need to support themselves.

I know of Christian groups who have created vocational programmes in other countries like Thailand. They have taken people out of the prostitution industry through education, teaching them a trade and/or involving them in a cottage industry which has been set up by Christian support workers. These people they are now earning money for themselves, without selling their bodies...ohhh and they also got saved through it as well...

Is it as bad as politicians starting wars in Christ's name?

There is no comparison...

Blessings!!!

 

[Strat]

Let me quote you for a second, to try and make my point.
In the politics forum, you said:

"I have nothing personally against Aspen because I don't know him personally, I only respond to what is written here..."

Indeed, you don't know Aspen, so you can't know the background of the things he writes...you must only respond to what is written in front of you. That is all I have done. I responded to what you wrote. If I did not understand the context of what you had written because I don't know you, and I responded only to what was on page...you truly want to blame that on me?

Let me help you follow my reasoning...You said:


Now, I will grant you that if we are talking of people who believe that are sinning because of an 'addiction' and they can't help it, yeah...that could apply. But when you consider this is your response to my post about the very people who ARE victims...child abuse and rape, etc, then I don't see how I was to take your reply any way else...you most certainly didn't clarify it for me.
So perhaps you need to get off your high horse, and actually clarify if you want people to understand you correctly. It may help your communication issues here.

Aspen is usually very clear in what he says,there is little chance of a misunderstanding him and i do not hold him accountable for my reaction to what he says and...it is my responsability.....you said i was ignorant and arrogant or sounded that way,you followed with numerous judgements...why not just ask me to clarify first ? instead of doing what you tell me not to do....judging

I think some people read "judge not les ye be judged " as license to judge those who they think are judging....they appoint themselves as the judgement that comes after the judgement as if God has assigned that job to them....liberals have this down to a science,along with the corruption of the word"tolerance" they are experts at judging others and marginalizing any opposing veiws.....P.C being there greatest acheivment to that end....to "clarify" my postion.......the victim mentality will never humble itself before God,it cannot because it see's its behaviour as the result of outside influences and not its own sin nature which God says it is responsable for....indeed i challenge anyone here to quote scripture that allows us to excuse our sins in any way....grace is another issue.

The bible says woe unto those who cause others to stumble by commiting sins against them and Hell may be hotter for them but it does not follow with any exceptions for those sinned against.I normally have nothing to say about my own life,but i was sinned against early in life...but God has shown me that i am still responsable to him for my life...accepting that responsability brings healing...rejecting that responsability brings self pity,self absorbtion and a multitude of sins...and yes i learned these things the hard way.

 

[tarmack09]

The only female body you should be viewing...is your wife's. Biblically, anything to do with sex that is not within the covenant of marriage, is sinful. God's whole point is that only sex & desire within the sphere of marriage can be healthy. When you take sex outside of what it was made for, inevitably people are hurt and used. So being 'sexually sane' is perfected in marriage, not outside of it. Nudism was cool before sin...too much fallen nature for it to be 'cool' now...



Just because one sin may not be as 'bad' as another sin (which to me suggests you're not even aware that in God's eyes, all sins are the same)...does not give us leave to do it. We could excuse absolutely anything under the guise of 'we've gotta make a living'. The drug lord who slaughters women and children does it to make money...and all his dirty little underlings who do unspeakable evil in his name do it to feed their families as well. Is it okay? Nope...and neither is getting involved with porn. It's sinful and it encourages sinful actions in others.

And he said to his disciples, “Temptations to sin are sure to come, but woe to the one through whom they come! It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin. (Luke 17:1-2 ESV)

That's another thing I really don't understand about the bible. No looking at nakedness even sexart or nudism.. Even outside of marriage there needs to be sexual sanity! What if no one wants to marry you? Is there anything in the bible about the unmarried?

 

[Selene]

That's another thing I really don't understand about the bible. No looking at nakedness even sexart or nudism.. Even outside of marriage there needs to be sexual sanity! What if no one wants to marry you? Is there anything in the bible about the unmarried?

Yes, the unmarried remains celebate and chaste just like Christ.

 

[tarmack09]

Yes, the unmarried remains celebate and chaste just like Christ.

Well.. I used my bible PDF and found the following passage.. it seems relevant to my problem with marriage and career. I am not sure about, nakedness out side of marriage but it seems to hint at that.. What does everyone think?

(Corinthians 7:7-9)

For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath
his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after
that.
&para; I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them
if they abide even as I.
But if they cannot contain, let them marry : for it is better to marry
than to burn.

 

[Selene]

Well.. I used my bible PDF and found the following passage.. it seems relevant to my problem with marriage and career. I am not sure about, nakedness out side of marriage but it seems to hint at that.. What does everyone think?

(Corinthians 7:7-9)

For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath
his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after
that.
&para; I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them
if they abide even as I.
But if they cannot contain, let them marry : for it is better to marry
than to burn.

The biblical verses is saying that if you can't control your sexual urges, then it's best to get married.

 

[tarmack09]

The biblical verses is saying that if you can't control your sexual urges, then it's best to get married.

So just get married to anyone if you cant control yourself sexually? I don't get it..

 

[Selene]

So just get married to anyone if you cant control yourself sexually? I don't get it..

No, you don't just marry anyone. You find yourself a good wife.

 

[aspen]

you have to be capable - being a good spouse is not enough.

 

[Rach1370]

.....you said i was ignorant and arrogant or sounded that way,you followed with numerous judgements...why not just ask me to clarify first ? instead of doing what you tell me not to do....judging

Ah, I did ask you to clarify...post #42

Yeah....you might want to clarify what you mean here...

I then mentioned, specifically, rape and abuse victims...post #42

Many of the women 'caught' in the porn or prostitution industry are victims, plain and simple. They are abused, raped, sold, drugged.

your answer to that post denied 'true victims'...so what was I to think?

Strat said in post #43:

No one will ever humble themselves before God and repent of anything they don't think is realy their fault....people can indeed lure and tempt others to sin but in the end it is their choice.....

So indeed, maybe I did assume something that you didn't mean, but don't accuse me of leaping to do just that through arrogance and ignorance. My conclusions came from your words. Now, granted it's sometimes my fault at such confusion, but as you can see you said nothing to lead me to conclude otherwise. Is it truly my fault that I didn't know you to mean things you didn't write...especially in light of what you did write??

Strat, I'm truly hoping that you may see that you need to adjust how you say things. You have decent doctrine, you stand up for what is biblically right, and that's great. But you will get no where here, and no where for Christ, when you say such things and then put your hackles up when people respond to what you have written. If someone mistakes your point, you let them know humbly before you jump on your high horse...you may indeed find that we are delighted that you did not mean what we thought you did. As it is, you leap to that horse immediately and instead of delighted reconciliation you get war...which benefits no one and certainly not the message of Christ.

 

[aspen]

I meant compatible

 

[Strat]

Ah, I did ask you to clarify...post #42



I then mentioned, specifically, rape and abuse victims...post #42



your answer to that post denied 'true victims'...so what was I to think?

Strat said in post #43:


So indeed, maybe I did assume something that you didn't mean, but don't accuse me of leaping to do just that through arrogance and ignorance. My conclusions came from your words. Now, granted it's sometimes my fault at such confusion, but as you can see you said nothing to lead me to conclude otherwise. Is it truly my fault that I didn't know you to mean things you didn't write...especially in light of what you did write??

Strat, I'm truly hoping that you may see that you need to adjust how you say things. You have decent doctrine, you stand up for what is biblically right, and that's great. But you will get no where here, and no where for Christ, when you say such things and then put your hackles up when people respond to what you have written. If someone mistakes your point, you let them know humbly before you jump on your high horse...you may indeed find that we are delighted that you did not mean what we thought you did. As it is, you leap to that horse immediately and instead of delighted reconciliation you get war...which benefits no one and certainly not the message of Christ.

What you ask me to clarify in post #42 was what i meant about making a film with them...that was a bit of sarcasm becauswe the answer should have been obvious in regard to how a christian responds to pornography and those involved in it.

The chrisitian is supposed to be dying to self,if one must carefully craft a post and walk on verbal egg shells to avoid offending someone then perhaps self still rules ? since self is what makes someone hypersensetive to the words of others and drives them to use their emotions to control others...i am at a distinct disadvantage here because i genuinely don't care what anyone says to me.I am not offended because i have come to understand that my feelings matter in about.00001% of life...during the years when i was controled by my emotions i was upset quite a bit most of the time since it seemed other people were always making me mad,then i realized that it was me on the throne of my life that was the problem...i can't help but wonder if people who are so ready to take offense at text on a screen are going to be able to handle real face to face persecution when it comes.....however i will try to do better.

 

[Rach1370]

The chrisitian is supposed to be dying to self,if one must carefully craft a post and walk on verbal egg shells to avoid offending someone then perhaps self still rules ? since self is what makes someone hypersensetive to the words of others and drives them to use their emotions to control others...i am at a distinct disadvantage here because i genuinely don't care what anyone says to me.

No, no! I am not talking of watching what we say just to avoid offending others! I don't encourage it of course, but there are times when the truth will offend, no matter what...in those regards, we need to care more about offending God rather than man.
But it comes down to plain comprehension. We should do our best to communicate what we actually mean and are saying, don't you think? There are times when you know a person so well, basic communication is all you need...I have some very strange conversations with my husband, yet we always seem to know what we're talking about! But with others who only can see what is written on a page, we depend whole heartedly on what is written there. It's like the language barrier...we can hardly blame someone who speaks German for not comprehending what we're talking about!

I am not offended because i have come to understand that my feelings matter in about.00001% of life...during the years when i was controled by my emotions i was upset quite a bit most of the time since it seemed other people were always making me mad,then i realized that it was me on the throne of my life that was the problem...i can't help but wonder if people who are so ready to take offense at text on a screen are going to be able to handle real face to face persecution when it comes.....however i will try to do better.

I truly think you'll find that saying 'whoa...this is actually what I meant!!'...will help enormously! I mean, take your 'let's make a film' comment, which you just explained was sarcastic...because...duh, how is a Christian gonna act?? I totally didn't get that from your earlier statement...but I do now...and I got a good chuckle out of it!

 

[Groundzero]

Sorry guys. This is just one of those ROFL's. Lol. Still can't quite believe some of the stuff I'm reading here . . . .

 

[tarmack09]

So basically there is no mention of what to do if you cant find anyone except for (Corinthians 7:7-9) about the unmarried , But even with that passage.. you have to get married. Look I have nothing against marriage. I think its a wonderful thing. Just some people might not be ready for marriage that's all. The bible doesn't seem to promote love outside of marriage and it even shames people who follow their basic sexual instinct and makes them think they are sinners. How can anyone that is sane worship this book? However I guess since I am the one who came to this forum I will take the more agnostic route and say well if Jesus is around.. maybe he will help me find a wife ..etc.

Thanks everyone

Also just to let everyone know.. this is gonna be my last posting on this thread.

 

[Groundzero]

So basically there is no mention of what to do if you cant find anyone except for (Corinthians 7:7-9) about the unmarried , But even with that passage.. you have to get married. Look I have nothing against marriage. I think its a wonderful thing. Just some people might not be ready for marriage that's all. The bible doesn't seem to promote love outside of marriage and it even shames people who follow their basic sexual instinct and makes them think they are sinners. How can anyone that is sane worship this book? However I guess since I am the one who came to this forum I will take the more agnostic route and say well if Jesus is around.. maybe he will help me find a wife ..etc.

Thanks everyone

Also just to let everyone know.. this is gonna be my last posting on this thread.

I'm going to assume you're a Christian. If you aren't better let me know.
Quote: " it even shames people who follow their basic sexual instinct and makes them think they are sinners. How can anyone that is sane worship this book? "
Guess what? YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT! Humanity is a fallen race. Our default is to sin against the Holy God who created us. EVERYONE of us have sinned, and the Bible should be making us see that!
Rom_3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
We don't worship the Bible. We worship the one who inspired it: Jesus. The reason we do it, is because we are sane. Because we realise that there is someone far greater than us, who has revealed himself to us through the holy writ.

And well, if you can't find anyone, here's an answer from somewhere to gets easily worked up: "Heck with it. Stop crying, suck it up, and soldier on."

So what if that may be hard? This is what Jesus declared:

Mat 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
Mat 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

It's up to you if you want to take the easy road here and spend the beyond in torment, or fight to do right here, and spend the beyond living life in a new world without sin.

The excuse of, "It's too hard," will NEVER cut it with God. He's already done so much for us. It's about time that we do our part.

No pain, no gain.

 

[Rach1370]

The excuse of, "It's too hard," will NEVER cut it with God. He's already done so much for us. It's about time that we do our part.

Sweet....