I SEE TWO CHURCHES IN ACTS 15

[Doug]

The church began largely as Jews but also Jewish converts,

I dont see Gentiles being included in the church until Acts 10

I only can think of 2 instances where Gentiles were blessed by Jesus

The centurion.....................[Matthew 8:5 KJV] "And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him,"
[Matthew 8:9 KJV] "For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this [man], Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth [it]."
[Matthew 8:13 KJV] "And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, [so] be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.".................I dont see where he became part of the church He had faith in Christ

The woman from Canaan................[Matthew 15:23 KJV] "But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us."
[Matthew 15:28 KJV] "Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great [is] thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour."...........the disciples didnt convert her they wanted to send her away but she expressed faith and blessed Israel

 

[Doug]

Then the gospel was sent out to Gentile nations and they were grafted in.

The Gentiles grafted in were the Gentiles saved in Acts 10

 

[Doug]

This doesn’t support your assertion either. You’re making a distinction where Jesus doesn’t. The only basis of the distinction between sheep and goats is how followers of Christ were treated, and, I would argue, by extension even the unbelieving poor and vulnerable. You’re reading into the context that sheep only refers to Jews, but the entire biblical context refutes that idea—a sheep is a follower of God and, more specifically in the NT, a follower of Christ.

Jesus doesnt call the Gentiles sheep. The verse says he separates them AS A SHEPHERD

 

[Doug]

Doug, it's not that hard. The Bible has already spoken, and this has been answered.

There is not more than one gospel. There is only ONE gospel. Not a gospel for different times or different audiences. Paul explains it simply. “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures” ~1 Corinthians 15:3–4. This is the gospel of salvation.

John 3:16 does not offer another message. It proclaims the same thing from a different perspective. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” To believe in the Son is to believe who He is and what He came to do on earth. Jesus did not come to earth to merely proclaim a kingdom. He came to earth to give His life. “The Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many” ~Matthew 20:28.

Jesus’ message of the kingdom was pointing to the cross. After His resurrection the message is clear. “Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day” ~Luke 24:46. Same message. Same salvation. Same Gospel, now revealed.

Paul puts the final nail in this debate. I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel. not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. ~ Galatians 1:6-7 Mixing or dividing messages only creates confusion that Scripture itself condemns.

No there is not a menu of gospels to pick and choose from. There is ONE gospel. Centered on Christ. Perfectly completed at the cross. Demonstrated by the resurrection. And by faith ALONE we receive it. Deal with that answer whether you like it or not.

Ok thanks

 

[Doug]

And just so you know: Acts 28 nowhere says Paul only received the mystery while in prison. Scripture clearly says otherwise.

Paul clearly says he received the mystery prior to prison, not had it hidden away from him until arriving to Rome. He himself writes, “By revelation he made known unto me the mystery; as I wrote afore in few words” ~Ephesians 3:3. Ephesians 3:3 alone debunks the whole prison epistle idea that the mystery only showed up while Paul was in prison because Paul plainly states he had already written about it previously.

He even gets more direct in Galatians which was written years before the events of Acts 28. “When it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb, and called me by his grace, to reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen” ~Galatians 1:15–16. Remember this, Gentile body truth was revealed to Paul from the beginning of his commission.

Notice Paul openly teaches about the body of Christ plainly in 1 Corinthians. We know 1 Corinthians wasn’t written during or after Acts 28 because no one dates it that far.

“For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles” ~1 Corinthians 12:13. One body, plain and simple. Mystery revealed Jews and Gentiles are united in Christ years before Paul’s imprisonment in Rome!

Go ahead and read Colossians if you don’t believe me. Paul says “The mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints” ~Colossians 1:26. “Now” doesn’t refer to Rome. It’s referring to the time of the apostles when Christ had been revealed and was being preached.

Acts 28 speaks of Israel’s judgment (being hardheaded/blind) over their Messiah. It doesn’t say the gospel started when Paul arrived in Rome nor does it say Paul suddenly received revelation about the body of Christ while in prison.

Christ revealed to Paul he died for both Jews and Gentiles, resurrected, and we are now one in him before the events of Acts 28 took place. “I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified” ~1 Corinthians 2:2. Jesus Christ crucified holds the mystery of the Gospel; revealing Jew and Gentile are one in Him.

Acts 28 does not overthrow previous letters Paul wrote. Scripture clearly says the opposite took place. Paul received revelation from Christ about the mystery and preached it openly, consistently, and repeatedly before prison, during prison, and after prison. The Word of God is clear on this matter.

As I said Acts 28 is wrong teaching

 

[Doug]

Doug, it's not that hard. The Bible has already spoken, and this has been answered.

There is not more than one gospel. There is only ONE gospel. Not a gospel for different times or different audiences. Paul explains it simply. “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures” ~1 Corinthians 15:3–4. This is the gospel of salvation.

John 3:16 does not offer another message. It proclaims the same thing from a different perspective. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” To believe in the Son is to believe who He is and what He came to do on earth. Jesus did not come to earth to merely proclaim a kingdom. He came to earth to give His life. “The Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many” ~Matthew 20:28.

Jesus’ message of the kingdom was pointing to the cross. After His resurrection the message is clear. “Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day” ~Luke 24:46. Same message. Same salvation. Same Gospel, now revealed.

Paul puts the final nail in this debate. I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel. not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. ~ Galatians 1:6-7 Mixing or dividing messages only creates confusion that Scripture itself condemns.

No there is not a menu of gospels to pick and choose from. There is ONE gospel. Centered on Christ. Perfectly completed at the cross. Demonstrated by the resurrection. And by faith ALONE we receive it. Deal with that answer whether you like it or not.

As long as you believe Paul's gospel we can disagree about two churches, although it can raise some problems

 

[Doug]

judgment goats are not of God

Sorry I dont know what you are saying

 

[Doug]

Doug,
The Gospel is Simple = so Simple that JESUS Said this:

At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who then is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”
Jesus invited a little child to stand among them.
“Truly I tell you,” He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."

Now ask yourself this question: How many times did JESUS CHRIST have to die for our sins?

Answer: ONCE = Only One Time = Hebrews 9:28
Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

One Savior Jesus Christ
One Cross
One Offering of Himself on the Cross for the sins of the world = One Gospel for all nations

Matthew 24:14 - And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

ok thanks

 

[David in NJ]

ok thanks

Doug

This is very SERIOUS

You are gambling with Eternity

 

[amigo de christo]

Doug

This is very SERIOUS

You are gambling with Eternity

People do as people do and men as men do
but sheep do as JESUS bids them do . And no lie is of the truth .
The man is glued like liquid hot metal binds metal to metal , but sadly ITS NOT on the T RUTH .
Let the truth be firmly planted upon the heart .
For you are correct my friend when you said this is VERY SERIOUS and that indeed many do gamble with eternity .
Eternal life is guaranteed IN and by JESUS CHRIST .
but never by another jesus , another gospel , another love that does so contradict truth .
FOR THAT cometh of the world and of darkness , NOT OF GOD and NOT BY CHRIST .
this people needs an exodus the heck out of mens doctrines and this love of the world fast .
So allow some parting words to remind us again , ev en tho ugh we know this and be estab lished IN the TRUTH .
FOR THIS REASON came i unto the world and for this cause was i born
TO TESTIFY OF THE TRUTH . And now another word , NO LIE IS OF THE TRUTH
so time for many even within chrsitendom to wake up to that fact .
FOR if what we are being told is being cloaked as love or loving
if any doctrine we are being taught
if any t hing we hear or even think might be true , love , righteous
BUT IT CONTRADICTS the V ERY W O RD and words of GOD , THEN IT IS A LIE and is NOT OF THE TRUTH
and THUS it in no way came of GOD , CHRIST the WORD , OR THE SPIRIT of GOD .
and thus , IT WILL SAVE NONE but DAMN all who bought the lie

 

[Marvelloustime]

yes indeed there be only one true gospel
and the sheep have preached it from the beginning . From the days of pentecost and onwards
the sheep always preached the one same gospel , to the jew and to the gentile .
Wherein One peoples , one fold , one body , one tree , one faith , one Kingdom o God and of Christ ,
where each was added in by faith in JESUS the Glorious Christ . The middle wall busted down
and the two made one . Beleiving jews and gentiles . ONE GOSPEL
Never two gospels . ONLY ONE preached to the jews and then later on the rooftop
Peter would be called to begin the SAME gospel to also the gentiles .
By which later paul himself would do the same . The very gospel he once attacked
Paul would now preach to both jew and gentile , to all that had breath . ONE GOSPEL
and only ONE gospel . For there is only ONE CHURCH , ONE BODY , ONE BRIDE AND WIFE
consisting of those who beleive in the GLORIOUS KING JESUS . Wherein CHRIST IS ALL and in all .
NOW to the trenches
because that gospel is UNDER attack by means of a false love ecumenical w hore and her father the d ragon
of which many now are co workers in that kingdom of darkness . PREACH JESUS to the last and final breath .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

Doug,
The Gospel is Simple = so Simple that JESUS Said this:

At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who then is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”
Jesus invited a little child to stand among them.
“Truly I tell you,” He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."

Now ask yourself this question: How many times did JESUS CHRIST have to die for our sins?

Answer: ONCE = Only One Time = Hebrews 9:28
Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

One Savior Jesus Christ
One Cross
One Offering of Himself on the Cross for the sins of the world = One Gospel for all nations

Matthew 24:14 - And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

and that gospel preached his ressurection
The dire need to BELEIVE OH HIM to be saved .
For with the heart man beleives unto righteousness , that GOD rose him from the dead
and that by confession in HIM , salvation .
Always remember there is no such thing as both beleif and allowance of unbeleif.
EITHER ONE TRULY BELIEVED one must BELEIVE GOD rose him from the dead
and confess him by mouth to be saved . OR THEY DO NOT BELEIVE THIS .
but it cannot be both . One cannot cliAM oh I BELIEVE we must
only to g ive a pass to those who beleived not . FOR HAD THEY thesmselves truly BELEIVED
they had never preached unbelief . two plus two is four david .
WE know this . so if another cometh along and says it be five
WE say NO its not five its four .
SO THEN why does much of christendom now try and say two and two is four
but along cometh one that says its five , another its six
and this generation says, OH sure its that too .
FOR THIS generation clearly by eumincisms interfaith SURE DO accept the false religoins
as simply coming to GOD in different ways .
YET THERE BE ONLY ONE WAY TO THE FATHER . and it aint found in muhammed , budda , atheism or any other ism .
IT BE ONLY IN JESUS CHRIST who IS THE WAY THE TRUTH and THE LIFE .
SHEEP KNOW we must BELIEVE , goats in wool beleive otherwise as they give place to real big sin accepting
judge not , other religoin accepting LIE . we better ALL be on gaurd .
NOW SEEING we KNOW these things
BEWARE lest any being led away with THE ERROR of the wicked , that which is of anti christ and its ecumenical whore
and FALL from his own steadfastness . FOR if that which we have HEARD
shall REMAIN in us , THEN we shall continue in the FATHER and THE SON
but if one falls prey to the love cup of a whores fornication , THEY SHAL LBE cast out for they CONTINUE NOT
in the DOCTRINE of CHRIST and THUS NOT IN HIM .

 

[Marvelloustime]

and that gospel preached his ressurection
The dire need to BELEIVE OH HIM to be saved .
For with the heart man beleives unto righteousness , that GOD rose him from the dead
and that by confession in HIM , salvation .
Always remember there is no such thing as both beleif and allowance of unbeleif.
EITHER ONE TRULY BELIEVED one must BELEIVE GOD rose him from the dead
and confess him by mouth to be saved . OR THEY DO NOT BELEIVE THIS .
but it cannot be both . One cannot cliAM oh I BELIEVE we must
only to g ive a pass to those who beleived not . FOR HAD THEY thesmselves truly BELEIVED
they had never preached unbelief . two plus two is four david .
WE know this . so if another cometh along and says it be five
WE say NO its not five its four .
SO THEN why does much of christendom now try and say two and two is four
but along cometh one that says its five , another its six
and this generation says, OH sure its that too .
FOR THIS generation clearly by eumincisms interfaith SURE DO accept the false religoins
as simply coming to GOD in different ways .
YET THERE BE ONLY ONE WAY TO THE FATHER . and it aint found in muhammed , budda , atheism or any other ism .
IT BE ONLY IN JESUS CHRIST who IS THE WAY THE TRUTH and THE LIFE .
SHEEP KNOW we must BELIEVE , goats in wool beleive otherwise as they give place to real big sin accepting
judge not , other religoin accepting LIE . we better ALL be on gaurd .
NOW SEEING we KNOW these things
BEWARE lest any being led away with THE ERROR of the wicked , that which is of anti christ and its ecumenical whore
and FALL from his own steadfastness . FOR if that which we have HEARD
shall REMAIN in us , THEN we shall continue in the FATHER and THE SON
but if one falls prey to the love cup of a whores fornication , THEY SHAL LBE cast out for they CONTINUE NOT
in the DOCTRINE of CHRIST and THUS NOT IN HIM .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

@amigo de christo
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There it is for all to see and to hear and to recieve .
And before any decides to sip of the cup of a harlots love of ecumenical f orncation
bE advised that all other religoins DENY THIS and cling to their own beleifs .
THUS oh No they DO NOT serve the same GOD we do .
IN fact seeing they deny the v ery testimony THAT GOD gave of the SON
not only do they not know him
but as john said THEY cALL GOD A LIAR . A LIAR . NO LIE is of the truth .
WHO is a liar but HE who denies JESUS IS THE CHRIST
HE is anti christ . notice that says IS ANTI CHRIST and not rather as many now say
OH that one just loves and serves GOD differently . NO , IT SAYS ANTI CHRIST .j
LET all that names the name of the GLORIOUS RISEN SAVOIR JESUS CHRIST
FLEE the tabernacles of any and all who are partakers in any way to this ecumeincal whore and her love .

 

[Doug]

Doug

This is very SERIOUS

You are gambling with Eternity

I wasnt kidding
i was thanking you for answering my request to know what gospel you believe
I thought you werent clear. You did say he died for our sins Good but you mix in the gospel of the kingdom and Hebrews 9:28 which says he died for MANY not all the many was only Israel

 

[amigo de christo]

Doug

This is very SERIOUS

You are gambling with Eternity

THE ETERNAL LIFE was MANIFESTED and we have SEEN IT and with our hands have handled .
WHO IS THIS ETERNAL LIFE , JESUS THE CHRIST .
What did john tell the church when writing the church in his letter .
Any who BELIEVES NOT the TESTIMONY that GOD gave of the SON IS
IS it
A or B .
A . oh they just serving and still love the same GOD WE DO
or
b. THEY CALL GOD A LIAR .
IF ya chose b YOU CHOSE RIGHT . now seeing that is the truth .
Tell me
If all liars shall have their part in the LAKE OF FIRE
HOW can ONE who calls GOD A LIAR , NOT HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE OF FIRE .
because if one calls GOD a liar , ITS THEY WHO BE THE LIAR , NOT GOD . the gospel
Cannot be denied for he or she who does so, HAS DENIED THE SON and THE FATHER . THUS THEY DO D ENY GOD .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

what do you mean "So why aren't you submitting to all the Mosaic Law?" ............I was aking you to explain what you were asking
I see once again you evaded having to answer my questions.............You were agreeing that there is one church so I was asking about NT passages that would therefore obligate you to make them relevant to you. I didnt receive any answer to them that I know of.

Jesus was teaching the disciples about the millennial kingdom. Paul has a lot of details about the church

I have answered it. You just don't like the answer.

And after tehh unpardonable sin, Jesus began preparing teh apostles to build the one and only church.

 

[amigo de christo]

I have answered it. You just don't like the answer.

And after tehh unpardonable sin, Jesus began preparing teh apostles to build the one and only church.

what if i told you that right now under the guise of what many DO think is love
and what many do think is loving
COMMITS the ONE SIN that darn sure absolutely WILL DAMN every last one of them .
And they call it love and think its the plan of GOD for to attain world peace .
TELL ME
my near and my dear friend
WHAT was the ONE thing JESUS told to the jews who BELIEVED NOT , that be key , BELEIVED NOT
on HIM .
YE WILL DIE in your sins , for if you BELEIVE NOT that I AM HE
OH you will DIE in your sins .
SO i shun the all inclusive ecumenical fake love to the pits of hades .
AS IF GOD is in the business of accepting those WHO REJECT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD , THE CHRIST .
But the so called beloved ecumeincal WHORDOME of interreligious dilagoue,
WELL BOY DID THEY DO JUS TTHAT . follow them , NEVER i had rather be pounded to death
by billy clubs than follow that WHORE or her message .
i suggest we get everyone OUT of anything ecumenical as is RIGHT and is IN NOW
as in RIGHT NOW and do not LOOK back .

 

[Justified]

Jesus doesnt call the Gentiles sheep. The verse says he separates them AS A SHEPHERD

No. Nowhere does Jesus say that. There has always been one church based on one gospel. All followers of Christ are sheep; that is what Scripture shows.

 

[Marvelloustime]

and that gospel preached his ressurection
The dire need to BELEIVE OH HIM to be saved .
For with the heart man beleives unto righteousness , that GOD rose him from the dead
and that by confession in HIM , salvation .
Always remember there is no such thing as both beleif and allowance of unbeleif.
EITHER ONE TRULY BELIEVED one must BELEIVE GOD rose him from the dead
and confess him by mouth to be saved . OR THEY DO NOT BELEIVE THIS .
but it cannot be both . One cannot cliAM oh I BELIEVE we must
only to g ive a pass to those who beleived not . FOR HAD THEY thesmselves truly BELEIVED
they had never preached unbelief . two plus two is four david .
WE know this . so if another cometh along and says it be five
WE say NO its not five its four .
SO THEN why does much of christendom now try and say two and two is four
but along cometh one that says its five , another its six
and this generation says, OH sure its that too .
FOR THIS generation clearly by eumincisms interfaith SURE DO accept the false religoins
as simply coming to GOD in different ways .
YET THERE BE ONLY ONE WAY TO THE FATHER . and it aint found in muhammed , budda , atheism or any other ism .
IT BE ONLY IN JESUS CHRIST who IS THE WAY THE TRUTH and THE LIFE .
SHEEP KNOW we must BELIEVE , goats in wool beleive otherwise as they give place to real big sin accepting
judge not , other religoin accepting LIE . we better ALL be on gaurd .
NOW SEEING we KNOW these things
BEWARE lest any being led away with THE ERROR of the wicked , that which is of anti christ and its ecumenical whore
and FALL from his own steadfastness . FOR if that which we have HEARD
shall REMAIN in us , THEN we shall continue in the FATHER and THE SON
but if one falls prey to the love cup of a whores fornication , THEY SHAL LBE cast out for they CONTINUE NOT
in the DOCTRINE of CHRIST and THUS NOT IN HIM .

@amigo de christo