I SEE TWO CHURCHES IN ACTS 15

[David in NJ]

I wasnt kidding
i was thanking you for answering my request to know what gospel you believe
I thought you werent clear. You did say he died for our sins Good but you mix in the gospel of the kingdom and Hebrews 9:28 which says he died for MANY not all the many was only Israel

Since you do not know what gospel to believe, why are you teaching things which you know not of???

This is very SERIOUS and has eternal ramifications!!!

James 3:1 - My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.

 

[Doug]

No. Nowhere does Jesus say that. There has always been one church based on one gospel. All followers of Christ are sheep; that is what Scripture shows.

Please tell me what are you saying? what are you arguing against? are you arguing that Gentiles arent said to be as sheep sheep in Matthew 25:32?

 

[Doug]

Since you do not know what gospel to believe, why are you teaching things which you know not of???

This is very SERIOUS and has eternal ramifications!!!

James 3:1 - My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.

Here is the gospel I believe

THE GOSPEL​

 

[complete]

'And He gave some, apostles; and some, prophets;
and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints,
for the work of the ministry,
for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Till we all come in the unity of the faith,
and of the knowledge of the Son of God,
unto a perfect man,
unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
.. That we henceforth be no more children,
.... tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine,
...... by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness,
........ whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
.......... But speaking the truth in love,
............ may grow up into Him in all things,
.............. which is the head, even Christ:
From Whom the whole body
fitly joined together and compacted
by that which every joint supplieth,
according to the effectual working in the measure of every part,
maketh increase of the body
unto the edifying of itself in love.'
(Eph 4:11-16)

Praise God!

 

[David in NJ]

Here is the gospel I believe

THE GOSPEL​

OK, now STOP promoting the heresy of "two gospels"

One Savior
One Cross
One Resurrection = ONE GOSPEL = Matthew 24:14

ONE GOSPEL = One BODY of CHRIST for the Jew & Gentile = Romans 1:16

I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, then to the Greek.

@GRACE ambassador

 

[Doug]

OK, now STOP promoting the heresy of "two gospels"

One Savior
One Cross
One Resurrection = ONE GOSPEL = Matthew 24:14

ONE GOSPEL = One BODY of CHRIST for the Jew & Gentile = Romans 1:16

I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, then to the Greek.

@GRACE ambassador

Paul's gospel is the only gospel we are to believe in this dispensation but that doesnt mean there wasn't another gospel preached by the twelve. The gospel preached by the twelve Paul called another gospel which he rebuked them for accepting

 

[GRACE ambassador]

OK, now STOP promoting the heresy of "two gospels"...@GRACE ambassador

Precious friend, so you're telling us to STOP Warning the so-called 'church of Christ' (and
other "works salvationists") that the Former gospel of the kingdom with The Following:

“faith plus works” Scriptural Requirements of this gospel:

1) water baptism "For the remission of sins" (works)

(Matthew 3:6; Mark 1:4, 16:16; Luke 3:2-3, 7-29-30 Acts 2:38 AV)​

2) keep the law of Moses (works)

(Matthew 5:17-19, 19:16-17, 23:1-3 cp Acts 21:20, 22:12 AV)​

3) righteousness Exceeding Pharisees’ (works) (Matthew 5:20 AV)

4) forgive others first, then be forgiven (works) (Matthew 6:14-15 AV)

5) sell all, take up cross, follow Christ (works)

(Matthew 19:21; Mark 10:21 cp Acts 2:44-45, 4:34-37 AV)​

6) endure unto the end (works) (Matthew 24:13 AV)

7) mercy toward others (works) (Matthew 25:34-40 AV)

Scripturally Confirmed by "faith without works is dead" to
"the twelve tribes of Israel" (James 1:1, 2:17, 20, 26 AV)

gospel of the kingdom of Prophecy FOR Israel = IS NOT the Exact same ( One ) gospel, And
Should Be:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

The One And Only Gospel For The Body Of Christ, Today?

The Gospel Of The Grace Of God With The Following Differences / Distinctions???:

God's Other ( Representation Of One! [ see Ephesians 4:1-6 AV ] ) Context :

Mystery / Grace With Christ As The Risen and Glorified Head Of
His Church, The One Body Of Christ, and Heavenly Minister Of
Reconciliation:

Paul, one apostle to the [ blinded Jews ] and the [ heathen ] Gentiles,
preaching Jesus Christ, According To [ Given By Christ, From Heaven ]
The Revelation of The Mystery:

The Gospel Of The Grace Of God

1) Paul, Saved By Grace And Mercy, far apart from Jerusalem, the twelve
apostles, and their prophecy, covenants, and law, God Committing to
him "The Dispensation Of The Grace Of God" (Ephesians 3:2 AV), With:

2) Paul, the first 'member' of the One Body Of Christ, Baptized By The

One Spirit in Acts Chapter 9, which is:​

a) the One New man [ not a woman 'bride' ]

(Ephesians 2:15 cp "man" in Ephesians 4:13 AV), which is:​

b) A New 'creation' (2 Corinthians 5:17 AV), and Now:

c) all members after Paul, In God's Dispensation Of Grace, "follow a pattern":

"Howbeit for this cause I obtained Mercy, that in me first​

Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern​

to them which should hereafter believe on Him to life​

everlasting." (1 Timothy 1:16 AV)​

+​

"Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me."​

(1 Corinthians 4:16 AV)​

"Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ."​

(1 Corinthians 11:1 AV)​

​

"Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children"​

(Ephesians 5:1 AV)​

​

"Brethren, be followers together of me..."​

(Philippians 3:17 AV)​

3) Two Requirements of The Gospel Of The Grace Of God:

"By Grace Through faith" Alone! ( and alive! ) Apart from all works, For God's​

Eternal Salvation (Ephesians 2:8-10; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4;​

Romans 3-5, 11:6; Titus 3:4-7 AV)​

4) The 'One Gospel' for Today, In Which God Forbids for another to
be preached, or mixed in, with His Gospel Of The Grace Of God:

"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him that called you into​

The Grace Of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but​

there be some that trouble you, and would pervert The Gospel Of Christ.​

​

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto​

you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.​

As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other​

gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."​

(Galatians 1:6-9 AV)​

Lord, I pray that all brothers and sisters are in agreement with your One
Grace Gospel of today, and will not fall under this horrible [ Anathema! ] curse.

More study: unScriptural or UNdispensational?

Amen.
----------------------------------
And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

Portions Borrowed from: I have decided to follow Jesus?

 

[David in NJ]

Precious friend, so you're telling us to STOP Warning the so-called 'church of Christ' (and
other "works salvationists") that the Former gospel of the kingdom with The Following:

“faith plus works” Scriptural Requirements of this gospel:

1) water baptism "For the remission of sins" (works)

(Matthew 3:6; Mark 1:4, 16:16; Luke 3:2-3, 7-29-30 Acts 2:38 AV)​

2) keep the law of Moses (works)

(Matthew 5:17-19, 19:16-17, 23:1-3 cp Acts 21:20, 22:12 AV)​

3) righteousness Exceeding Pharisees’ (works) (Matthew 5:20 AV)

4) forgive others first, then be forgiven (works) (Matthew 6:14-15 AV)

5) sell all, take up cross, follow Christ (works)

(Matthew 19:21; Mark 10:21 cp Acts 2:44-45, 4:34-37 AV)​

6) endure unto the end (works) (Matthew 24:13 AV)

7) mercy toward others (works) (Matthew 25:34-40 AV)

Scripturally Confirmed by "faith without works is dead" to
"the twelve tribes of Israel" (James 1:1, 2:17, 20, 26 AV)

gospel of the kingdom of Prophecy FOR Israel = IS NOT the Exact same ( One ) gospel, And
Should Be:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

The One And Only Gospel For The Body Of Christ, Today?

The Gospel Of The Grace Of God With The Following Differences / Distinctions???:

God's Other ( Representation Of One! [ see Ephesians 4:1-6 AV ] ) Context :

Mystery / Grace With Christ As The Risen and Glorified Head Of
His Church, The One Body Of Christ, and Heavenly Minister Of
Reconciliation:

Paul, one apostle to the [ blinded Jews ] and the [ heathen ] Gentiles,
preaching Jesus Christ, According To [ Given By Christ, From Heaven ]
The Revelation of The Mystery:

The Gospel Of The Grace Of God

1) Paul, Saved By Grace And Mercy, far apart from Jerusalem, the twelve
apostles, and their prophecy, covenants, and law, God Committing to
him "The Dispensation Of The Grace Of God" (Ephesians 3:2 AV), With:

2) Paul, the first 'member' of the One Body Of Christ, Baptized By The

One Spirit in Acts Chapter 9, which is:​

a) the One New man [ not a woman 'bride' ]

(Ephesians 2:15 cp "man" in Ephesians 4:13 AV), which is:​

b) A New 'creation' (2 Corinthians 5:17 AV), and Now:

c) all members after Paul, In God's Dispensation Of Grace, "follow a pattern":

"Howbeit for this cause I obtained Mercy, that in me first​

Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern​

to them which should hereafter believe on Him to life​

everlasting." (1 Timothy 1:16 AV)​

+​

"Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me."​

(1 Corinthians 4:16 AV)​

"Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ."​

(1 Corinthians 11:1 AV)​

​

"Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children"​

(Ephesians 5:1 AV)​

​

"Brethren, be followers together of me..."​

(Philippians 3:17 AV)​

3) Two Requirements of The Gospel Of The Grace Of God:

"By Grace Through faith" Alone! ( and alive! ) Apart from all works, For God's​

Eternal Salvation (Ephesians 2:8-10; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4;​

Romans 3-5, 11:6; Titus 3:4-7 AV)​

4) The 'One Gospel' for Today, In Which God Forbids for another to
be preached, or mixed in, with His Gospel Of The Grace Of God:

"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him that called you into​

The Grace Of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but​

there be some that trouble you, and would pervert The Gospel Of Christ.​

​

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto​

you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.​

As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other​

gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."​

(Galatians 1:6-9 AV)​

Lord, I pray that all brothers and sisters are in agreement with your One
Grace Gospel of today, and will not fall under this horrible [ Anathema! ] curse.

More study: unScriptural or UNdispensational?

Amen.
----------------------------------
And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

Portions Borrowed from: I have decided to follow Jesus?

The ONLY distinctions are the one's that you and @Doug make up in your minds which oppose CLEAR TRUTH

One Savior Jesus Christ
One Cross where HE took upon Himself the sins of the world/Jew & Gentile
One Resurrection on the 3rd Day
One Grace that leads us to CHRIST
One FATHER
One HOLY SPIRIT
One TRUTH

ONE SALVATION for the Jew & Gentile = Romans 1:16 , Jude 1:3 , Matthew 24:14 , Acts(all of Acts) , Galatians, Ephesians, Romans

 

[Ezra]

Precious friend, so you're telling us to STOP Warning the so-called 'church of Christ' (and
other "works salvationists") that the Former gospel of the kingdom with The Following:

“faith plus works” Scriptural Requirements of this gospel:

1) water baptism "For the remission of sins" (works)

(Matthew 3:6; Mark 1:4, 16:16; Luke 3:2-3, 7-29-30 Acts 2:38 AV)​

2) keep the law of Moses (works)

(Matthew 5:17-19, 19:16-17, 23:1-3 cp Acts 21:20, 22:12 AV)​

3) righteousness Exceeding Pharisees’ (works) (Matthew 5:20 AV)

4) forgive others first, then be forgiven (works) (Matthew 6:14-15 AV)

5) sell all, take up cross, follow Christ (works)

(Matthew 19:21; Mark 10:21 cp Acts 2:44-45, 4:34-37 AV)​

6) endure unto the end (works) (Matthew 24:13 AV)

7) mercy toward others (works) (Matthew 25:34-40 AV)

Scripturally Confirmed by "faith without works is dead" to
"the twelve tribes of Israel" (James 1:1, 2:17, 20, 26 AV)

gospel of the kingdom of Prophecy FOR Israel = IS NOT the Exact same ( One ) gospel, And
Should Be:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

The One And Only Gospel For The Body Of Christ, Today?

The Gospel Of The Grace Of God With The Following Differences / Distinctions???:

God's Other ( Representation Of One! [ see Ephesians 4:1-6 AV ] ) Context :

Mystery / Grace With Christ As The Risen and Glorified Head Of
His Church, The One Body Of Christ, and Heavenly Minister Of
Reconciliation:

Paul, one apostle to the [ blinded Jews ] and the [ heathen ] Gentiles,
preaching Jesus Christ, According To [ Given By Christ, From Heaven ]
The Revelation of The Mystery:

The Gospel Of The Grace Of God

1) Paul, Saved By Grace And Mercy, far apart from Jerusalem, the twelve
apostles, and their prophecy, covenants, and law, God Committing to
him "The Dispensation Of The Grace Of God" (Ephesians 3:2 AV), With:

2) Paul, the first 'member' of the One Body Of Christ, Baptized By The

One Spirit in Acts Chapter 9, which is:​

a) the One New man [ not a woman 'bride' ]

(Ephesians 2:15 cp "man" in Ephesians 4:13 AV), which is:​

b) A New 'creation' (2 Corinthians 5:17 AV), and Now:

c) all members after Paul, In God's Dispensation Of Grace, "follow a pattern":

"Howbeit for this cause I obtained Mercy, that in me first​

Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern​

to them which should hereafter believe on Him to life​

everlasting." (1 Timothy 1:16 AV)​

+​

"Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me."​

(1 Corinthians 4:16 AV)​

"Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ."​

(1 Corinthians 11:1 AV)​

​

"Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children"​

(Ephesians 5:1 AV)​

​

"Brethren, be followers together of me..."​

(Philippians 3:17 AV)​

3) Two Requirements of The Gospel Of The Grace Of God:

"By Grace Through faith" Alone! ( and alive! ) Apart from all works, For God's​

Eternal Salvation (Ephesians 2:8-10; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4;​

Romans 3-5, 11:6; Titus 3:4-7 AV)​

4) The 'One Gospel' for Today, In Which God Forbids for another to
be preached, or mixed in, with His Gospel Of The Grace Of God:

"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him that called you into​

The Grace Of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but​

there be some that trouble you, and would pervert The Gospel Of Christ.​

​

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto​

you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.​

As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other​

gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."​

(Galatians 1:6-9 AV)​

Lord, I pray that all brothers and sisters are in agreement with your One
Grace Gospel of today, and will not fall under this horrible [ Anathema! ] curse.

More study: unScriptural or UNdispensational?

Amen.
----------------------------------
And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

Portions Borrowed from: I have decided to follow Jesus?

we follow your instruction we will be standing on our head trying to figure which of the 2 is the right church

 

[Justified]

Please tell me what are you saying? what are you arguing against? are you arguing that Gentiles arent said to be as sheep sheep in Matthew 25:32?

It should be very clear what I am saying: All followers of Christ are sheep. That would include Gentiles and they would be included in Matt. 25:32.

 

[Ezra]

Matt. 25:32.

this is judgement of nations those in christ sheep those not goats beyond that not sure what doug is implying

 

[Doug]

It should be very clear what I am saying: All followers of Christ are sheep. That would include Gentiles and they would be included in Matt. 25:32.

Paul never call the body of Christ saints sheep

 

[David in NJ]

Paul never call the body of Christ saints sheep

Did Paul have to???

JESUS did

Do you obey the LORD Jesus Christ or Paul???

 

[Doug]

Did Paul have to???

JESUS did

Do you obey the LORD Jesus Christ or Paul???

Jesus called Israel sheep

To obey Paul is to obey Christ

 

[Doug]

we follow your instruction we will be standing on our head trying to figure which of the 2 is the right church

The body of Christ is the only church in this dispensation

 

[Lambano]

Paul never call the body of Christ saints sheep

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus called Israel sheep

To obey Paul is to obey Christ

Does Christ submit to Paul?

 

[Doug]

Does Christ submit to Paul?

All the instruction and commands were given Paul by Christ Paul says nothing of his own

 

[David in NJ]

All the instruction and commands were given Paul by Christ Paul says nothing of his own

Great, CHRIST is LORD over Paul = your first step to understanding.

You have been thinking in reverse, whereby you placed Paul's writings above the words of CHRIST.

Pay FULL Attention in Prayer on this Scripture:

CHRIST is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.
All things were created through Him and for Him.
And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

 

[Doug]

You have been thinking in reverse, whereby you placed Paul's writings above the words of CHRIST.

I apply to myself anything from the four gospels that can be stated in Paul's epistles