Rex
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It is Paul in Romans 7 that identity's the members of his flesh as an evil.Axehead said:I respectfully differ with you regarding the human body. It is amoral and just an empty carton if you remove the soul of man where the lusts of the "flesh" emanate from. It is the soul of man (heart) that chooses to yield specific members of the body to sin or to righteousness.
Our body is corrupt in the sense that it is dying and decaying and one day we will put on incorruption. But to say the Body itself is evil is to fall into the same pit as Catholicism. Then we must flagellate our flesh (body) to bring it into submission.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But
I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind,
and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
I never mentioned the word evil, I posted Romans 7, I said our flesh cursed from the fall in the garden, as Paul said all men died from Adam to Mosses Romans 5:2-14 having never sinned, yet they did not escape death. God even went so far as to limit the number of years for a man before Abraham. They all died just as God said, to Adam, you will surly die, now If some had never sinned from Adam to Mosses why did they die as Paul said, because that is what we all inherited but now we have life through Christ.
That was my point as well, you say that it is it HS that restrains the flesh, that is not so, it is the HS renewing your mind, a mind set on Christ that YOU choose not to walk after the flesh. That is what the scripture says I posted it in my previous post.Axehead said:I see and recognize all those scriptures but you must keep in mind when reading them that though the members of our body are yielded to unrighteousness, what exactly is doing the yielding of our bodily members to unrighteousness? Not the members of the body itself, but our soul (fleshly soul - fleshly, carnal mind, unstable emotions, lack of self-control in our will). The soul, needs healing and deliverance and renewing from various bondages and deceptions. The fleshly body does not call the shots. The fleshly, carnal soul does.
If I am in error the why does Paul also say
1 Cor 6:20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.
Romans 12:1-2 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service.
The flesh and the spirit are at war with one another, we, our soul being the priest with-in our temple of flesh offer our bodies as living sacrifices by no longer conforming to the desires of the flesh. Which is your reasonable service.
We SHALL also bear the image
1 Cor 15
49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bearthe image of the heavenly Man.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in
a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the
trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we
shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
So what is it that is still CORRUPTIBLE? That must be left behind? that will never be changed but only denied or steered by us, it is our flesh, and has been repeated by Paul, is in contradiction to the Spirit and always will be until we put on immortality, our new body.