If Christian Universalism is true, what's the point in evangelism?

[amigo de christo]

No offense taken, amigo! I was just objecting to the thought that we should tell unbelieving seekers about God's election of people to be saved before God's creation of anyone, which is a biblical truth that is best reserved for the maturing Christian. That's all. Share the rest of the gospel (sin, salvation, and service or guilt, grace, and gratitude).

Fully agree my friend .
calvin and others did major damage .
Rather than trying to preach a message of condemnation
one ought to just preach the gospel of CHRIST to these lost souls .
But many imply a calvnistic approach , and mans ways WONT WORK .
We ought to just speak truth as the SPIRIT leads .

 

[Marvelloustime]

yea rather let us know and understand the tatics of men do not work .
And know and understand the sheep will hear while others simply reject .
We cannot give the increase . man is always trying to figure out HOW to DO
and the HOW to do often contradicts the HOW THEY DID IT in the BIBLE .
Peter didnt sit around and try and figure out what the people needed to hear ,
nor did he and others worry about To warn or not to warn . THEY SPOKE TRUTH by the SPIRIT
and who so ever heard , HEARD and who so ever rejected they shook the dust off as a warning against them .
I suggest we really do return again to the bible and learn that pattern very very well for our own selves .
You are loved my friend but i can see you are struggling so hard on HOW TO WIN and what to DO , what to say
WHEN YA OUGHT be TRUSTING IN GOD who will give you what to do and what to say .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

Fully agree my friend .
calvin and others did major damage .
Rather than trying to preach a message of condemnation
one ought to just preach the gospel of CHRIST to these lost souls .
But many imply a calvnistic approach , and mans ways WONT WORK .
We ought to just speak truth as the SPIRIT leads .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

A Christian can have much better answers than those ones.

He who waits upon the LORD will have the answers .
FOR GOD giveth a mouth and wisdom and KNOWS exactly what each person NEEDED to hear .
I have seen many truly mess people up real bad by mens wisdom .
Example . they tell the church , in order to witness to a muslim YA NEED TO KNOW the koran .
I SAY in order to witness to a muslim one does not need to learn evil from that book
but rather HEED and wait upon the LORD GOD ALL MIGHTY , KNOW HIM , for HE gives wisdom
unto man and produces the very words that one needed to hear .
GOD knows exactly what any religoin needs to hear . WE ought to trust IN HE ALONE
and speak TRUTH as the SPIRIT giveth us to speak . TRUST IN GOD and not in men and their wayward
ways they THINK wins souls . For a man doing by his own carnal intellect , is a man THAT WILL FAIL .

 

[David in NJ]

Right. Good question.
The free gift of salvation as spiritual extortion. Believe or burn. An offer you can't refuse.
God, our loving heavenly Father, presented as a gangster godfather.
The Good News, or the BAD news?

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Good Morning

IMO (based on His Word of TRUTH) - READ Genesis chapters 1 thru 3

SHALOM

 

[St. SteVen]

If Christian Universalism is true, what's the point in evangelism?​

What's the point of evangelism if everyone will automatically be saved?
Good question.

These two questions show a common misunderstanding about Christian Universalism.
(Universal Reconciliation, Universal Restoration, Ultimate Redemption, UR)

These quotes are from the website Universalist Musings.

"When this question is raised, in most cases it’s almost as though the objector is assuming that without the threat of eternal damnation there would be no point in following Jesus or living in obedience to his calling for us. This brings to light the problematic fact that many infernalists seem to view Jesus merely (or at least chiefly) as a ‘get out of hell free’ card, so to speak—remove the real possibility of everlasting hell, and these individuals would apparently say ‘forget Jesus.’ This, of course, is not a proper understanding of gospel motivation."

"The reason we ought to follow Jesus and proclaim the gospel without delay, is not primarily for fear of damnation as a consequence if we don’t, but rather because Jesus is inherently worthy of our devotion and obedience, and the gospel is inherently good news worth proclaiming!"

"... have you ever considered why it is that the doctrine of eternal conscious torment has, as a matter of practical fact, failed to motivate most people to turn to Christ, and has likewise failed to motivate most Christians to consistently evangelize? Could this be because most of us, at least deep-down, recognize that it is an inherently absurd and incoherent concept, and thus, is a threat that we recognize does not deserve to be taken seriously?" Source (question 12 pp 3, 4, 7)

Discussion questions:
- Is there any reason to follow Jesus if the threat of hell in the afterlife is removed?
- Is there any value in following Jesus in the here and now?
- What effect might the removal of the threat of hell from the gospel message have?
- Would anyone choose to follow Jesus without the threat of hell?

 

[ProDeo]

If Christian Universalism is true, what's the point in evangelism?​

Then something else is more important.

 

[amigo de christo]

If Christian Universalism is true, what's the point in evangelism?​

What's the point of evangelism if everyone will automatically be saved?
Good question.

These two questions show a common misunderstanding about Christian Universalism.
(Universal Reconciliation, Universal Restoration, Ultimate Redemption, UR)

These quotes are from the website Universalist Musings.

"When this question is raised, in most cases it’s almost as though the objector is assuming that without the threat of eternal damnation there would be no point in following Jesus or living in obedience to his calling for us. This brings to light the problematic fact that many infernalists seem to view Jesus merely (or at least chiefly) as a ‘get out of hell free’ card, so to speak—remove the real possibility of everlasting hell, and these individuals would apparently say ‘forget Jesus.’ This, of course, is not a proper understanding of gospel motivation."

"The reason we ought to follow Jesus and proclaim the gospel without delay, is not primarily for fear of damnation as a consequence if we don’t, but rather because Jesus is inherently worthy of our devotion and obedience, and the gospel is inherently good news worth proclaiming!"

"... have you ever considered why it is that the doctrine of eternal conscious torment has, as a matter of practical fact, failed to motivate most people to turn to Christ, and has likewise failed to motivate most Christians to consistently evangelize? Could this be because most of us, at least deep-down, recognize that it is an inherently absurd and incoherent concept, and thus, is a threat that we recognize does not deserve to be taken seriously?" Source (question 12 pp 3, 4, 7)

Discussion questions:
- Is there any reason to follow Jesus if the threat of hell in the afterlife is removed?
- Is there any value in following Jesus in the here and now?
- What effect might the removal of the threat of hell from the gospel message have?
- Would anyone choose to follow Jesus without the threat of hell?

Rather odd , that JESUS and later the apostels would warn those to beware .
You trying to omit severity again .
So i leave us with this reminder
Go and preach the gospel unto all . he who believes shall be saved but he who beleives not WILL be damned .
If the peoples will not heed to believe the gospel , They will be damned .
Try reading the bible . Behold BOTH , BOTH the GOODNESS and SEVERITY of GOD . dont just preach severity alone
DO both . Save some by compassion , others by fear .

 

[Lizbeth]

What's the point of evangelism if everyone will automatically be saved?

These two questions show a common misunderstanding about Christian Universalism.
(Universal Reconciliation, Universal Restoration, Ultimate Redemption, UR)

These quotes are from the website Universalist Musings.

"When this question is raised, in most cases it’s almost as though the objector is assuming that without the threat of eternal damnation there would be no point in following Jesus or living in obedience to his calling for us. This brings to light the problematic fact that many infernalists seem to view Jesus merely (or at least chiefly) as a ‘get out of hell free’ card, so to speak—remove the real possibility of everlasting hell, and these individuals would apparently say ‘forget Jesus.’ This, of course, is not a proper understanding of gospel motivation."

"The reason we ought to follow Jesus and proclaim the gospel without delay, is not primarily for fear of damnation as a consequence if we don’t, but rather because Jesus is inherently worthy of our devotion and obedience, and the gospel is inherently good news worth proclaiming!"

"... have you ever considered why it is that the doctrine of eternal conscious torment has, as a matter of practical fact, failed to motivate most people to turn to Christ, and has likewise failed to motivate most Christians to consistently evangelize? Could this be because most of us, at least deep-down, recognize that it is an inherently absurd and incoherent concept, and thus, is a threat that we recognize does not deserve to be taken seriously?" Source (question 12 pp 3, 4, 7)

Discussion questions:
- Is there any reason to follow Jesus if the threat of hell in the afterlife is removed?
- Is there any value in following Jesus in the here and now?
- What effect might the removal of the threat of hell from the gospel message have?
- Would anyone choose to follow Jesus without the threat of hell?

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I've heard quite a few testimonies of people being shown hell by the Lord and that is what caused them to be willing to receive Christ. The bible says some save by compassion, some save by fear. Some do need the fear of God in them in order to come to Jesus.

What does damnation mean? What does it mean to perish? What does perdition mean? What does hellfire mean? And "eternal destruction"...? What does God's wrath do?...it destroys. These terms are in the bible...nobody is making it up. This is why Jesus said to not fear those who can only kill the body but to fear Him who can destroy both body and soul in gehenna fire. Beware of overthinking and dissecting....the carnal mind is enmity with God and leads astray......this is not rocket science.

 

[amigo de christo]

I've heard quite a few testimonies of people being shown hell by the Lord and that is what caused them to be willing to receive Christ. The bible says some save by compassion, some save by fear. Some do need the fear of God in them in order to come to Jesus.

What does damnation mean? What does it mean to perish? What does perdition mean? What does hellfire mean? And "eternal destruction"...? What does God's wrath do?...it destroys. These terms are in the bible...nobody is making it up. This is why Jesus said to not fear those who can only kill the body but to fear Him who can destroy both body and soul in gehenna fire. Beware of overthinking and dissecting....the carnal mind is enmity with God and leads astray......this is not rocket science.

Some could argue and say but hey their testimonies were false for there is no such place .
not SAYING i am one of those .
but guess what proves this place exists . THE BIBLE does
JESUS spoke of it, the apostels warned of damnation unto those who rejected JESUS
and let us take a good long read in revelation . IT TOO speaks of such a place.
Prepared not just for the devil and his angels , but for UNBELEIVERS , the abominable
those who made and love a lie .
And we have a very very stark warning at the end of that book .
HE who adds too
or takes from
OH DEAR . But if you notice those who add too and take from
OFTEN believe in another universialism gospel , THAT IS NO GOSPEL at all .
man sure can be a prideful being . And from the heart of man sure do comes much evil .
ITS JESUS Preaching time .
Cause lets face it , IT AINT like you , me or anyone else deserved and or earned eternal life .
NO we all earned death for all have sinned . BUT SEEING GOD IS LOVE
HE sent the SON so that all who do BELIEVE . YES BELEIVE shall not perish but have EVERLASTING LIFE .
GODS GIFT TO THE WORLD . yet sadly more and more in the church WONT preach SUCH a gift
wont remind of such a need to BELEIVE ON HIM. And that wont bode well for them on HIS day either .

 

[Lizbeth]

Some could argue and say but hey their testimonies were false for there is no such place .
not SAYING i am one of those .
but guess what proves this place exists . THE BIBLE does
JESUS spoke of it, the apostels warned of damnation unto those who rejected JESUS
and let us take a good long read in revelation . IT TOO speaks of such a place.
Prepared not just for the devil and his angels , but for UNBELEIVERS , the abominable
those who made and love a lie .
And we have a very very stark warning at the end of that book .
HE who adds too
or takes from
OH DEAR . But if you notice those who add too and take from
OFTEN believe in another universialism gospel , THAT IS NO GOSPEL at all .
man sure can be a prideful being . And from the heart of man sure do comes much evil .
ITS JESUS Preaching time .
Cause lets face it , IT AINT like you , me or anyone else deserved and or earned eternal life .
NO we all earned death for all have sinned . BUT SEEING GOD IS LOVE
HE sent the SON so that all who do BELIEVE . YES BELEIVE shall not perish but have EVERLASTING LIFE .
GODS GIFT TO THE WORLD . yet sadly more and more in the church WONT preach SUCH a gift
wont remind of such a need to BELEIVE ON HIM. And that wont bode well for them on HIS day either .

Amen. The bible says man is like the beasts that perish, meant to be taken and destroyed.....oh dear, there's that dreaded word again. But many think they know better than God and that their way is more righteous than His. They are choosing their own way. In all their thinking I hope they will think about how choosing one's own way instead of God's way is the whole reason man falls and life will end for them like it does for the beasts of the earth.

 

[St. SteVen]

Then something else is more important.

Like what? - LOL

 

[St. SteVen]

I've heard quite a few testimonies of people being shown hell by the Lord and that is what caused them to be willing to receive Christ. The bible says some save by compassion, some save by fear. Some do need the fear of God in them in order to come to Jesus.

Fear is a terrible motivation for a relationship with God.
Who can worship a tyrant out of genuine love?

 

[St. SteVen]

God's way

What you proclaim as God's way amounts to extortion.
What a horrible monster you make our loving God out to be.

 

[MonoBiblical]

what's the point in evangelism?

The perfect question. Where something can be done to redeem a person is often rare, and most people are not evil; evangelism is overrated.

 

[Lizbeth]

Fear is a terrible motivation for a relationship with God.
Who can worship a tyrant out of genuine love?

Your understanding of the fear of the Lord is carnal and unspiritual. In other words, you do not understand it.

 

[Lizbeth]

What you proclaim as God's way amounts to extortion.
What a horrible monster you make our loving God out to be.

Yes that is the false accusation that keeps many from coming to Him.....because they do not understand/perceive spiritual truth and reject what He says. So I guess you are one of them then....?

Anyway I don't care to stay and argue with those who are choosing their own way, it is like arguing with Catholics and cessationists. They are blind and deaf to the truth, sadly. Unable to understand and receive.

 

[St. SteVen]

Your understanding of the fear of the Lord is carnal and unspiritual. In other words, you do not understand it.

You gave a carnal definition in your post that I responded to.

I've heard quite a few testimonies of people being shown hell by the Lord and that is what caused them to be willing to receive Christ. The bible says some save by compassion, some save by fear. Some do need the fear of God in them in order to come to Jesus.

Does being shown hell give a spiritual understanding of the fear of God? God's wrath as a horror show?

Why can't you admit if you are wrong?

 

[Lizbeth]

You gave a carnal definition in your post that I responded to.

Does being shown hell give a spiritual understanding of the fear of God? God's wrath as a horror show?

Why can't you admit if you are wrong?

It is like when the Lord rebukes you.....it gets the job done that needed to be done. Your heart just submits. It is a holy fear, not carnal.

 

[St. SteVen]

It is a holy fear, not carnal.

I'm familiar with that argument.
It's sin for us, but not for God.
As if God holds Himself to a lower standard than He holds us to.